Thomas Loy Bumgarner

Dear Pink Lady and 1 John, if CFF has brought you healing, then more Power of God to you. However, don't "dis" or "cuss out" other denominations because of differences. Ever since 9/11, we Christians of all stripes need to work and pray together. Agape, Thomas

Wonder if estimated prophet was JL, JS, MG, or KG as spy(ies) in disguise, or could it be Satan himself?(dana Carvey as the Church Lady).

DearMuffinmom, Welcome to GSC. would you like some hot cocoa? Today's menu includes Carolina BBQ, Brunswick Stew, Maine lobster, and some other goodies. Raf will be your waiter this evening, while Belle, Rascal and Brambles are getting a cooking lesson from Gordon Ramsey.

Additionalsplinter groups/off-shoots include the late John Hendricks organization Christian Research Fellowship of Marietta,GA/Destiny,FL with daughter Rochelle as president; Ken Petty of Oracle,AZ of Emmaus bible fellowship, Robert Lindelfelt of San Diego Bible Institute, and Mike Tomberlin of The Church in Hickory,NC(though Mike and Jane are far more tolerant of other denominations than most are), and Peter Wade of Australia. While many are nice people, some individuals within their groups are not so open-minded. I hold no grudge against any of them, and wish them God's real and true blessings. I am sure that many like John Lynn, Kevin and Sara Gigou are warm and friendly and personal, but sometimes it takes years to get over the past and receive healing. I come to Greasespot Cafe as my cult addiction recovery group, and I have been out of TWI since late December 1979 and am still struggling to get my life back in order.

Copenhagen, The Way Corps were suppossedly Wierwille's attempt to creat a seminary-type training, similar to most denominations but with a twist of military training(what seminary ever had its students all jogging at 7am every morning?). Likewise the Word over the World ambassadors was slick Vic's answer to Mormon missionaires. Boy, VPW was Elmer Gantry in the flesh.

Uptown, AG stands for Assemblies of God, one of many Pentecostal/charismatic denominations. As for CI, I have no idea.

I have been reading the sub-forums about Spirit and Truth Fellowship International. i am disturbed because Karen Anne Grasser seems to be doing new-age channeling since her Way Corps days under the disguise of personal prophecy. My suggestion to Mark is divorce this b*#$h, leave the group, go to a professional psychologist, and ask for the children to be inyour care/Karen to pay alimony(and get help herself), and finally go to a mainline denomination for worship. Forget TWI and CES, admit heresy, grow up/be a mature adult. As for John Lynn, he proably now wishes he never divorced 1st wife Pat, and should have never gotten to know Elizabeth. I am ashamed that i recently bought a number of their books and music CD's. I even defended their right to peculiar theology/doctrine. No more. I wish none of us had ever heard of The Way International or the splinter groups. In the long run, it would have been much healthier.

Penn Jillette(of Penn and Teller magician fame) is hosting a mew game show called Identity. Mr. Bumgarner, you say that you are a church musician. Is that your identity? No, I am a timelord known as the Doctor, traveling in a Tardis. Penn: Oh contestant, too bad . You lost 500 thousand dollars and you couldn't use your 1 chance mistaken indentity, and you refused the help of our panel of experts-Moe, Larry, Curly, Shemp, and Joe. :unsure:

Thanks. I still can't believe that I am 52 years old. Starting to get more white in my hair. yikes!

And also with you. Oops, that is The Lord be with you(Lutheran/Episcopalian/Catholic)

To mark, Kit,Coolchief wishing you and the others a hopeful, patient Advent season. Take care and my God's love be with you all. Thomas

I guess I have been watching too many game shows, and also too much SciFi channel. I thought that using that type of media, i could poke fun at TWI and stub, you will notice that I altered well known names without fear of reprisal and being sued for defamation of character(snort hehehe as if any dead or living TWI nut would have the courage"the cowardly dog" or any godly character). :blink: :unsure:

William Shatner is hosting a new game show on ABC called "Show Me The Money" with scantily clad models dancing. Very Appropriate and should have been hosted by either VPW or LCM. :blink:

WhiteDove, are these books available and where can I order them? Thomas

Twinky, CES/Spirit and Truth Fellowship seems to have far better documentation which includes other authors by name. Too bad TWI generaly did not follow this course. i have never been against true biblical research, but to pick and choose strange teachings that seemed to contradicit one another(Bullinger vs. Lamsa for example) is not legitimate research.

Stub, in other posts I have said I was a former member of The Way International but was never in leadership role. Presently I am a Lutheran Church Musician and this category is about being just silly and nutty, not the regular About The Way forum. Check out forum about Who I am.

Twinky, Chris Geer took some Way Magazine teachings or from SNS, or Way Corps, edited them and published 5 additional "colaterals" Studies in Abundant Living series and had them published in Great Britain under European Christian Press.

Twinky, Point B refers to the trilogy of JCNG, JCOP, and JCOPS. For those confused by the initials, Jesus Christ is not god, Jesus Christ our passover, and Jesus Christ our Promised Seed(last included John Cr**ch's research into Bullinger's Witness of the Stars and astromer Joseph Martin's scientific data on the Star of Bethlehem). Most of this was refined and updated by Mark Gra##er, John Lynn and J. Schoenhe1t's One God and 1 Lord from CES.

HM: And we are back. So, Thomas, Deal or No Deal? TLB: NO DEAL! HM: YOU just turned down 100 thousand dollars. 3 cases to pick. #26. HM: That's Chrissy Gear, an oil slick and grease spot. Open the case. CG: No I won't. It's mine, all mine. HM: Chris, don't argue. You are required to open the case or face jail time for rape and being an accessory. (music) 5 cents. I don't remember that as an amount. Uncle hairy, did you rearrange the amounts we normally have? Anyway, Thomas congratulations. 2 more cases. TLB:#24. HM: That's lovely Alike, because we are running out of TWI villians and now are using our regular models. Alike, open the case and keep it low. 10 cents? a dime? Boy, these are new amounts. Thomas, you are making our banker squirm and sweat. This is a perfect board. You are keeping the top amounts. One more case. TLB:#19. HM:That's Tanya. Open the case. 25cents? a quarter? NBC must have had a coporate meeting and not notified me. Well, Thomas. This must be a dream fantasy. No one has ever done this well.(phone rings). Uncle Hairy our banker just said ouch and cried Uncle! He surrenders. he knows you have the 1 million dollar case because he just set it up. So models open your cases. (the rest open up showing up to 500 thousand). Thomas, open up your case and show what a great deal you made. Audience gives standing applause. Bob Saget: Now that Thomas has won $1 million, it's time to play 1 vs. 100 ex-Twi members who were raped or fired for questioning Der Weg's dictatorship. This includes, Brambles, Roy aka Year 2027, Wordwolf, DM, Ralphel, Belle, ExCathedra, Cool Chief, and many more. They all want Thomas' winnings to be split up among themselves. So thomas, you want the money or our mob? Thomas suddenly wakes up from this dream, sweating and saying"I've got to stop eating those large beef pizzas so late at night" He falls back asleep and thinks He is the 12 th Doctor from the British Sci-F- series Doctor Who with his Tardis, fighting against Daleks, Cybermen, Autons, Sontarians, and dead and living TWI leaders. Or is that Cylons from Battle Star Gallatica?

Now back to Deal or No Deal. HM: Our contestant is Thomas Bumgarner from Hickory, North Carolina and is a church musician. So far, he has found the penny, one dollar and $100. You are making our banker squirm. 2 more cases, please. TLB: #2. HM: That's lovely Rosalie the fox. Open the case. $5. Oh fantastic. One more case Thomas. TLB: #11. HM: That's Howlward A11en who always welcomes strangers with his hugs and french kisses. Let's see the case. $500. (Audience goes wild). Phone rings. HM: That's our banker, Uncle Hairy and he's trying to get you to leave with as little as much from TWI's coffers. OK. I think this is a good 1st offer. $32 thousand dollars. So Thomas, Deal or No Deal? (Thomas slams the lid of the box down). TLB: NO DEAL! Audience applauds. Howie Mandell: 4 more cases to open. TLB: #3. HM: That's Donna Lesbos. Open the case. $750. Oh wow, and I don't mean Word over the World. I don't think we have ever had this in all the past 11 months. 3 more cases to pick. TLB: #21. HM: That's the Earl of Berton. Open the case. (Omnious music). $5k. Fantastic. You are keeping the top 5 amounts. TLB: #23. HM: That's Lou DADAGOOGOO. Open the case. $300. Fantastic. This is mind blowing or is that renewed mind? one more case before we talk to the banker. TLB: # 25. HM: That's John Rupptured Appendix. John, open the case. $25 k. No bad . you will need to knock off some of these amounts. So Thomas, do you believe you have 1 miilion dollars in your case? TLB: yes, absolutely totally completely complete in that belief, Howie. (phone rings). HM: Hello. all right. I'll tell him. A new offer of !00 thousand dollars to just shut you up as hush money. Don't do this alone. Introduce your friends. And you are? Pawtuckett, owner and moderator of this chat board. Hi, I'm Belle and will be your waitress for this evening. I'm Rafeal from Florida and journalist. HM: Thomas, talk to your friends while we take this commercial break. Audience moans and appauds. Annoucer: Still time for you to partake in our 20 thousand take home game. Just email us here at Greasespot cafe, choose 1,2,3,4, or 5 to see which case has the $20k. Stay tune next to Law and Order.

Howie Mandell: Welcome to our next contestant, Thomas Bumgarner! Thomas let's meet the models. Ladies please.(Models include VPW, RR, LCM, CG, etc. strutting with briefcases down the steps all wearing dresses). Models say "Hi Howie"(not to be confused with Howard Stern). HM: Thomas, there are 26 cases of various amounts of money to bribe, I mean payoff for any court cases ranging from one penny up to $1 million dollars to any and all victims, I mean clients who were abused, screamed at, and physically/sexually raped by some of these lovely models(including HA). So choose a case. TLB: I choose #9. HM: and that's Imojean A11en. Now Thomas, let's see if you have the $1million case. To determine that , you need to open 5 cases. TLB: Case number 8 (omnious music). HM: that's Victor Paul Wierdsvillage. VP show us the case. It' one penny. excellent. TLB: #7. HM: That's Okey fornoke Craig. It's $1. You are doing well and very lucky, oops I mean your believing and revelation knowledge is doing miracles and wonders. TLB: #1. HM: That's Vincent the loan shark Mickey Faggott, ah Mc Fanny. It's $100. Audience applauds loudly. Ohh it's commercial break. We will be back after these messages. Now for you folks at home who want in this, check out which of these 5 cases has the $10 thousand. just email to GSC and which case has the loot. At the end of this thread, we will annouce the winner. Theme music fades out. Tonight on GSC, see Heroes such as Wordwolf, Groucho, and others like GreasyTech, who will save the cheerleader, oops I mean Wayfer still in TWI. To be continued.

Alrighty folks, it's time to play the TWI version of 1 vs. 100(apologies to NBC)/ Deal or no deal, alternating game show hosts Howie Mandell with 26 present and former TWI leaders as the models with suitcases and Uncle Harry Wierwille as the banker, and Bob Saget with 100 Greasespotters as the "mob"(Do you want the money or the mob?). Yes, the same people who brought you The Weakest Link with Ann Robinson and George Clay are back again with more stupid slams against The Way International. Now isn't this more fun than Name That Drunkand Rapist?

Linda,Harvey was demoted to Limb/area leader of Ohio in September 2005 so his daughter could graduate from high school.

My understanding is that the name Jesus(Eshoo) is derived from Joshua(Yeshuva) and is a nickname. Also since Joshua, son of Nun; Essau(jacob's twin brother); Jesus Barabbas; Jesus Simon Magnus; etc you need the title Christ(Christos/Christus/Christe) to distinguish the different Jesus' in scripture. Also Christ Jesus was to be used for the ressurrected Messiah. And since many people are called Jesus in hispanic culture, and Josh in English does not make them God. Same for Emmanuel/Immanuel Spinoza, Karl Phillip Emmanuel Bach(JS Bach's son), Immanuel Kant,etc does not make them God either. At least as for as TWI and splinter groups are concerned. Fear was Jesus could be a name used by evil people or devil spirits/demons, so Christ was always to be used. Strange that most Christians limit that name of only saying Jesus as always being Christ and never consider otherwise. OMG, I think I am still Waybrained. LOL!

Ex, Wierwille didn't mean Happy Holidys, he meant Happy Whores(being blessed by his ministry)