Thomas Loy Bumgarner

btw, Mission House/Lakeland is actually in Plymouth, Wisconsin about 19 miles south of Sheboygin.

strange that Lakeland and Princeton won't return my emails inquiring about particular classes. I mean, come on the man has been dead since 1985. releasing the info without his permission is moot and unnecessary at best, and sounds like a cover-up so not to embarress the institutions' reputations. John Juddess, can you find out more info? Inquiring minds want to know the truth.

MStar, love Pictures. In fact I play that, Night on Bald Mountain, Lizst's Symphonie Fantastique, and Robert Cobert's Dark Shadows music on Halloween.

actually was thinking of Jon Egan's song I Am Free(to run, to dance- Galatians 5:1). Integrity's iWorship @ Home DVD

just not talking except that he attended and received BA, B.Th, and MSTh(Master of Sacred Theology) but not particular classes he took(confidentiality of privacy)>

I tried contacting Lakeland(Mission House) and Princeton Theological Seminary about classes Wierwille took, even filing a Freedom of Information act. Yet, despite Wierwille's death, I think both institutions are ashamed they presented him with degrees after finding out about his shenanigans(both theologically and morally). I even have asked 60 minutes, 20/20, Primetime, Nightline, Dateline, Frontline, POV, 48 Hours, Wolf Blitzer, Larry King, Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Bill O"Reily, Sean Hannity, Greta Van Sustern, Judge Napolitano, John Stossel,Geraldo Rivera , all by email, and have had no response from any of them. So what gives? I really want to know what classes he took. Any Koine Greek, Church History, worship classes, American denominations? why Mission House and not Eden Seminary in St. Louis or Lancaster in PA? Did he teach at Gordon Conell, or was he just a guest chaplain and lecturer? Maybe John Juddes can find out and have better luck than me.

although Craig excelled in yelling, throwing a temper tantrum(spoiled brat) like a terrible 2 or 3 year old demanding his way, Geer could be like that and both learned from Wierwille(and in turn possibly from papa Ernest). The consistory meeting(similar to church council or parish vestry) had lay president reprimanding Victor Paul and Wierwille proably exploded in rage against them, proably saying something like "I am the one who is ordained and had seminary training, not you bozos/SOB's" and intimated them with fear. btw, in reformed tradtion, laity are co-equal with clergy and may fire/excommunicate them, even regional leaders for disagreement if laity think clergy are heretics. clasis are like districts/conferences/clusters/associations, and synods are similar to dioceses. Wierwille was a master of deception relating to anger and could be a pussycat when necessary. Craig was never that smart, always angry at the world, maybe even against God and Jesus Christ.

proably Wierwille at his 1st consistory meeting in Payne after being reprimanded about sermons on tithing.

Rivembark would be fired by Donald Trump for such incompetence, and Martindale would have been smacked and booted out by Gordon Ramsey.

Thanks guys!

Waysider, if you or David Miller can download this, would appreciate it. Why does my downloading things from YouTube and ITunes to Facebook, mySpace, and myYearbook does fine, but not here at GSC?

and silly ol me thought we were talking about LCM and Altheletes of Spurits, or Rosie's shoes

Figured it was SyFy channel. Funny thought it was Warehouse 13 or Sanctuary, or even Haven.

what about Wierwille's "visions" of snow on gas pumps? must have been day dreaming :blink:

Sarah Jane Smith Adventures?

love Bohemian Rhapsody and Hotel California

my nightmare is that I am at ROA in a pup tent and the wonderful strains of "Beautiful Ohio" are blaring through. it's the TWIlight Zone and Rod Serling is narrating with Alfrd Hitchcock directing it. Wierwille stops by and morphs into Adolf Hitler. yikes! and the music is from Psycho you know, the shower scene

Bullwinkle: hebbie jebie, the spirits are about to speak. Rocky: what do they say? Bullwinkle:Wierwille drinks them often(apologies to the cartoon TV show)

well you will never make it to the last comic standing with material like that

of course there is Agnes Smith Lewis, Matthew Black, Charles Cutler Torrey(not sure if he is related to Ruben Archer Torrey of Moody Bible Institute), and Arthur Vorbius from University of Chicago.

it is you, we adore, only you(apologies to Newsboys) egads, now going to have nightmares singing that praise song with Wierwille's face haunting me.

you mean, we are not living in the garden of Eden restored?