Thomas Loy Bumgarner

stands for Man of God(for our day and time) :unsure: :wacko: :blink:

I guess I need to take the new geography, and here silly old me thought the Bible lands were the Sinai Penisula, Arabian,North African, Turkey, Afgahnistan, Persia. Next thing they will tell us China, Vietnam, Korea, and Japan are "Bible Lands" as well. Lamsa possibly but not Pillai.

VPW, LCM, and CG were paranoid. always wondered what if WC, RD, or other more "reasonable" people would have eventually become power hungry or if they modified the public attitude or TWI to truly be more ecumenical. :blink:

Gee, I never realized that India was part of the Middle East

Geisha, I thought Worldwide Church of God had become Trinitarian in the 1990's. Now the International Church of God and the Restored COG kept Herbert and Garner Ted's theology. I know of some house churches that use Hymns for the Family of God, Celebration Hymnal, and Renew: Hymns and Songs for Blended Worship. The publishers are consectivily(?) Parragon Press/Benton Publishing, Word Publishing/Integrity Music, and Hope Publishing.

tweet tweet tweet little birdie sing, ooooh you mean Twitter website. Sorry, my bad

wonder if Craig ever mouthed off at his parents especially after the fog years when they visited HQ during lunchtime. I would love to see that and have his father threaten to belt Craig in front of the staff

how about some youtube downloads in this forum based on songs I suggested?

Wierwille and Martindale thought they were God. I am God alone, unstoppable, unchangeable(apolgies to Billy James Foote/Phillips, Craig, and Dean)

my last post in this forum. You are God Alone-Phillips, Craig, and Dean; Children of God-Third Day; Dive-Steven Curtis Chapman; and Strong Tower-Kutless. btw, I have joined ExWay Vision and hope to see all of you over there.

From about 1700 on, the author of the texts was seperate from the composer. for instance Issac Watts wrote lyrics but no music. We have down here in the South, shaped note hymn sings(Fa-Sol-La) from Sacred Harp, Sothern Harmony, Christian Lyre, and Kentucky Harmony. Only with recent Contemporary Praise Music has author and composer been the one and same, similar to hymnody from Medieval and Renaisance period through the Baroque and Neo-Classical. 4 part hymnody(Soprano, Alto, Tenor, and Bass) originally for choir and later for the congregation started around 1800.

John wrote over 600 hymn texts and Charles composed some music(not sure how much)

I question whether Wierwille was "born again", despite songs from Good Seed or the more recent Third Day hit. not to be confused with I am Three, lol. Actually like the Egan song, done with Promise Keepers.

BA, Aurelia is Latin for golden and was composed by Samuel Sebatian Wesley, grandson of Charles and is often associated with the text "The Church's One Foundation is Jesus Christ her(our)Lord" by Samuel Stone.

I am free to run(repeat), I am free to dance(repeat)- Jon Egan and Jared Anderson

and the irony is that song is about Jesus Christ being the Word Incarnate, not Holy Scripture/Bible

forgot I already had xeroxed copy of 1990 version of SATW. I still would like the 1970's keyboard edition that Dorothy and Rhoda used for organ/piano, or was that old wine and wineskins as oppossed to the present truth? Also interesting that Wierwille and Co. sang "O Word of God Incarnate" to the tune of Aurelia, normally associated with "The Church's One Foundation" instead of Munich(Felix Mendelsohn). Maybe I should repeat this thread on ExWay Vision website.

I thought The Gap was a clothing store and standing meant the doorway. or was that the Cumberland Gap of Daniel Boone fame?

yeah, Gaither threatened to sue TWI(Wierwille and Ted Ferrell) for copyright infringement since they didn't ask permission to print the words or changed them for"doctrinal purity".

1st song is by Tim Hughes, NOT Chris Tomlin but both are trintarians. 2nd is by Reginald Heber and tune by John Bachus Dykes(Nicea), you could have changed the last line of both the first and 4th stanza to"God in one person, blessed unity" since the text is in public domain and is no longer copyrighted. Tomlin did write Holy is the Lord, God Almighty(It's rising up all around, it's the anthem of the Lord's renown) lol, still have the vinyl wax record. sorry they were no where close to Bach, Paul Manz, David Cherwien,Donald Busarow, or Timothy Albrecht.

only Way song I have is by Dorothy Owens and Rhoda Wierwille entitled "Jesus, My Savior" which I pasted in the back of the hymnal Hymns for the Family of God, re-issued by Benton Press.

Do you know if the choral 4 part version still exists or if anyone still has copies? If so, pm me about cost. only one I have is by Dorothy Owens.

Art Clokey was a Lutheran and was asked by Lutheran Church in America to produce short annimation with moral for the storyline.

Amazing Grace has been sung to other tunes besides New Britain. These include House of the Rising Sun, 1970's Coca Cola(I want to teach the world to sing), Ballad of Gilligan's Isle. I like Chris Tomlin's My chains are gone, I'm set free. btw, John Newton the slave trader said he was a wretch because of his former profession and the song was his testimony of a repentant and changed heart, something that Wierwille never had, hence "someone" instead of wretch.