Thomas Loy Bumgarner

Hope he has grown up and still not doing terrible two's/three's rantings of a spoiled brat(refering to Craigsie)

so what is it I am suppose to know? that I am an easy mark for conmen?

foolishly, yes, they thought Satan was assasinated on the day of Pentecost and Earth was once again the Garden of Eden, so no more sickness/illness/disease. Wierwille wasn't the only idiot who thought/beleved that, Herbert Armstrong of Worldwide Church of God was another.

added more references in the About the Way forum

The Christmas Album:Collection of wonderful songs, stories, and picturesabout the joyous Christmas season by Doris Millspaugh and Roger Bobley = Deck the Halls; fires, flames, candles;Fuedual Castle; Faraway lands. Also World Books and Christmas Albums from Augsburg

I have some of John's books and received their teaching CD's for a while, likewise materials from S&TF, and CFFM plus music CD's from all 3 groups. Just plagarized Wierwille with new kinks in them, and the music isn't up to Way Productions of the 70's standards, much les CCM from the 1990's onward or classical hymnody

I never understood what Mary Ann Daly saw in him. She could have been a concert pianist. Rochelle their daughter seems nice but clueless as President of CF & R

His daughter Rochelle just parrots her late father and VPW. John was having legal problems at the time of his death with both the states of FL and GA about his ordained status.

always wondered what would have happened if someone had physically beaten up Wierwille, Martindale, Townsend, Geer, and others and had sent them to the hospital and the rest of the corps and staff had joined in the pumpeling? and the mob mentality had declared the above Satanicly possesed?

It is interesting that Advent and Epiphany were never mentioned. The books I mentioned were Christmas: it's Carols, customs, and Legends-Ruth Heller(Schmitt, Hall & McCreaey/Belwin Mills); The World's Christian-Olive Wyon(Fortress Press); Celebrating Christmas Around the World-Herbert Wernecke(Westminister Press).

actually the saying unity in essentials, diversity in nonessentials, charity(agape/ love) to all Christians

and neither does Lynn/Grasser/Schoenheit's book One God and One Lord. btw, the "Our Father" became normal among all Christians between 70 and 100 AD.

NRSV, ESV, NIV, NASBU, LB, NLT, CSB, Contemporary English Bible, Message, Amplified

the Truth about The Way International: The Deception of a Cult. Chapters would include my background, My introduction to TWI and its allurement, My leaving it and trying to start a cult addiction self help group(think AA), Wierwille's background including his college and seminary classes and activities, after VPW's retirement and the Geer/Martindale battle, and what has happened since(especially with the off shoots). Names of all the major characters including those at Twig level(providing that they grant me permission to name them), strenghts and weakess of Way Productions compared to CCM, Wierwille's plagerized sources(authors and books), and mainstream Christian DVD classes like Alpha, Beginings, Foundations, Open Home/Bible, Powersurge, Purpose Driven Life/Church, Christian Life and Witness, and comparing them to PFAL/WAP. Also using John Juddes, Karl Kahler, Kristen Skedgell as templates for this book.

see my reply in the forum Along The Way

I have several books on Christmas Customs around the world, such as Herbert Wernecke-Celebrating Christmas Around the World; Olive Wyon-The World's Christmas; Christmas: it's Carols, Customs and Legends by Ruth Heller; various Childcraft books on different countries, etc.

Lord, it has been awhile since I first posted in this forum. I am mostly now on FB with photos and more personal info.

I have posted this topic down in the doctrinal forum but wanted to annouce it here

Thanks to plagareizing Ernst Martin and the Star of Bethlehem, the date calculated was not the first to place Christ's birth in the fall. Ethelbert Bullinger said it was September 29th, 5 BC which just happened to be the date celebrating St. Michael and All Angels, or as it is called in Great Britain, Michaelmas. However, most theologians say Jesus was born in the springtime, perhaps during Passover. What say you all relating to this? Discuss.

Twinky love your picture of Wierwille/Martindale/Geer/Lynn, lol

maybe the new version should be Run Away

Deputy Barney Fife, eh I mean John Linder, This is Sherrif Andy Taylor. You need to take your meds. now you and Roseylie comeout and let these nice men with butterfly nets present you with white strait jackets and take you to a nice resort, eh funny farm in nearby st. Mary's for a nice long vacation. Sergant Joe Friday will escort you. the following incident is true, the names have not been changed . duh duh duh dun duuuh. got to quit watching Dragnet, lol

Baby, you can drive my car

also it saved paper just to copy words, and if you wanted to use music buy Ecumenical hymnals like Hymns for the Family of God, Hymns for the Living Church, Renew:Hymns and Songs for Worship, Celebration Hymnal, and Worship and Rejoice for fellowships except for "Trinitarian" texts that could not be revised. Most were in Public Domain which isn't under copyright laws.