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Yeah....Harve's letter (or whoever wrote it) comes across as condescending and heavy-handed. Typically corporate, untypically Christ-like. IMO twi has ensnared themselves and with gnashing of teeth they will NOT recover. With arrogant pride, they refuse to acknowledge that THEY HAVE STRAYED FAR FROM THE HEART OF GOD. The humble of heart will continue to exit and find a safe, loving haven elsewhere. Fresh

Obviously, twi is "picking a battle that they think they can win." ALL LCM-RELATED BATTLES will be left alone. IMO this situation escalated as a result of twi's hard-heartedness and twisted policies: 1) mark & avoid, 2) sanctified "household" bs and 3) damage control (to name a few). Will twi ever get it RIGHT? The mismanagement of twi and spiritual abuse is a study in "lording over God's heritage." There are MAJOR REASONS why twi continues to spiral downward. Fresh

Call me skeptical.......but I have often wondered if the bod has instructed DESIGNATED BUYERS to go on ebay and buy twi stuff. IMO they don't want this stuff out there for others to grab.... nor do they like the insinuation that exwayfers are UNLOADING THIS MATERIAL. It raises questions about the integrity of twi. And.......they sure don't need more people ASKING MORE QUESTIONS. :D--> Fresh

thanks, pirate. appreciate it. Fresh

igotout, Another one of those areas where twi is clueless. It seems to me that they've painted themselves into a corner when lcm, don and howard went public with their "controlling the corps" opinions. This advice is BAD.....but they're sticking to it. So thankful that I jumped on board the homeownership bandwagon and plan to have my house completely paid for in ten years! Wonder what twi's doctrine will be in ten years from now??? And, I wonder how many more corps are going to be scratching their heads wondering how they ever followed such bullshxx from the bot? Maybe this explains why I recently heard that Michael Fxxx has requested to step away from full-time twi employment. He wants to run a branch [and get his OWN job and tuck away his OWN money for his OWN retirement]. How many clergy and corps and faithful have to EXIT TWI'S DOORS for people to awake from this spiritually slumbering slobbering stuff??? Fresh

ChattyCathy, I'm not much of a singer....... but wanted to chime in here and wish you Happy Day and years and years to follow. Enjoy yourself. :)--> Fresh

Auzda, Great point! Thanks for posting. :)--> Fresh

NL & Hope, Yeah......the word of Bod. :D--> Aptly pushed by........ the Bod Fraud. :P--> :P--> Fresh

Hope, Just wanted to jump in here and comment on John's letter to Rosie. With deep concerns and systematically explaining many of his observations, John offers to help. What a great letter!! The response by Rosie.... ...house you???? feed you???? show you???? WOW...... so glad I left!!!!!! :D--> :D--> :D--> Fresh

What Fence? Thanks for qualifying your position. How many hundreds have gone before.... and were silenced via M&A? Or, lawsuits that have been settled out of court -- preventing further exposure? Deceptive tactics? Of course. :D--> Is twi releasing their grip? Begrudgingly, only a little -- and don't raise a stink, or else! ;)--> Fresh

Reading some posts by those still "in"......... and trying to work within twi's framework, the question that keeps surfacing in my mind is "Can deception be adequately confronted?" First of all, I stayed in twi for about 8 years after the so-called fog years. I was resolved to "fix the potholes" so that the road to harmony would be expedient and profitable. After all, who was I to abandon this highway and take some side-road adventure to follow God's lead?? --> Month after month joined year after year...... and twi's abuse mounted and the deceptions deepened. From my experience, I found that when I could no longer, in confidence, follow twi's lead..... I DID GOD'S WORD and stayed in the ministry. As this pattern was sustained for almost three years, I finally resolved that I'd done my best and walked away. Can Deception Be Adequately Confronted? Fresh

Hope, Thanks for SPEAKING UP. :)--> It matters very little that a handful of posters come to GS and deny the MANY testimonies that have come forward thru the years. Few can dispute that thousands saw enough reason to withdraw and separate THEMSELVES from twi studies and activities. Hiding behind walls of seclusion and denial, twi polishes its form of godliness. Most telling, the Scriptures warn us of leaders like this and their workings of darkness. Let those "defenders of twi" post away........ if twi was a godly ministry, then they would uphold the truth and ABSTAIN FROM ALL APPEARANCE OF EVIL. Quite the contrary, twi embraces it!! :P--> :P--> Fresh

Dot and others, Thanks for adding your insight to this thread. For me, this thread has really answered LOADS OF QUESTIONS that I pondered for years. I even pulled out the book, Born Again To Serve, and read the section regarding BG Leonard..... how enlightening. Even Mrs. W. seems to highlight BG's teachings and knowledge as a turning point in vpw's understanding. Even BG'S CLASS PICTURES...... vpw copied this style after each class. BG LEONARD WAS THE TUPOS, THE STANDARD, THE CATALYST...... for vpw's work application! Then, with Bullinger's research, and Kenyon, and Stiles, and Moseley, and Pillai...... vpw just filled in some pieces. IMO this background check documents vpw's style, his ideas and his work. Thanks again. :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> :)--> Fresh

Dot Matrix That's an interesting concept and good food for thought. :)--> Thanks, Dot. Fresh

WOW! This thread should be incorporated into a main forum topic to expose vpw's claims of "God teaching him the Word like it hadn't been known since the first century." Even Mrs. Wierwille's book exposes, to a certain degree, the deception. Perhaps, the WayGB will note this and the book will go thru a revision. :P--> Somehow, in some manner......this information ought to be highlighted and easily retrieved from the countless threads on this forum. Thanks Paw for keeping GS up and running. This type of information is invaluable for dismantling twi's claims. Fresh