Seth R.

Hi Groucho and all, I was never corps or with TWI very long 12 years by my count. But I was white washed by the whole idea of it. In regards to the broad topic of Wiewille's mistake(s) I have one observation, which maybe the genesis of TWI's downfall. PFAL. Over the past 5 years I have be doing much self-improvement, learning Buddhist teachings, listening to talks by noted personnal growth teachers like Dr. Wayne Dyer, Dale Carnegie, and Dr. Andrew Weil. The common thread in all these teachings is recognizing ego as a source of great power, and chosing not to use or live in the ego. What is taught is empowerment, that is to me saying, I am powerless over many things, in recognition of that I seek a power greater then myself to solve my life problems, in this way ego is eased out. Without ego to power my life, I go from powerless to empowered, I spend less time trying to figure life out, and more time living it. With that said as I look back had I known then what I know now about the ego, I would have rejected PFAL as a farce and one man's attempt to gain a following of people who were just as sick and simpathetic to his resentments as he was. PFAL opens with a resentment that VPW had about his church and it's leaders. TWI historicly was founded because of that resentment. TWI was fueled by this resentment, a resentment so powerful it blinded my eyes to the truth behind TWI's formation. Resentment was the food for TWI's growth, there was no love comming from VPW it was required to give him love, to pat him on the head and say it's OK you are a good little boy, we will show those mean church leaders that fired you, we will show the neigh sayers who say this is a cult, we will help you build this ministery for you so you can prove you are right after all. Resentments are laced all through PFAL and it is because we related to VPW as a man and someone who was wronged, because we all hate being wrong. We rallied behind this battered warrior and lifted him up as our leader, why? Because we had been wronged too, we had resentments too, we wanted to show them too, we wanted to finally be a part of something that was going somewhere too. We didn't mind shunning our families because they were a source of our resentments, after all PFAL gave us permission to use those resentments as fuel to power our lives. Today I avoid resentments I avoid ego driven living. Do I still get resentments? Do I still have to deal with my ego? Does the Sun still rise in the east and set in the west? I hope I made some sense and didn't derail this thread. Seth

Sorry I soiled your thread. Seth

what was the lyrics to the song that started: There ain't nothin' wrong with Hank Williams Jr. ??? Seth

Way Productions on Wikipedia Seth

I Love Deadwood, you muddle headed c oc ksuc kers! Seth

So the late Don Wierwille was the real Doctor in the family, right? Seth

Thankyou everyone for the support. I spend time in the Bipolar chat on about dot com, and in between sleeping and eating I spend time with friends. For my own mental health I do not read the bible, but I do read Buddhist stuff, Dr. Wayne Dyer stuff, my recovery books. My focus is on helping myself and others. Some days the best I can do is not leave my room, because if I do there will be pain. In the morning I goto see my psychiatrist and my therapist we have much to talk about. I started smoking again, it seems to help me cope, so it's better then causing a scene. My Buddhist teachings have been a great comfort to me lately. The four nobel truths: The truth of suffering The true cause of suffering The true cessation of suffering The true path to the cessation of suffering The Two Principles of Buddhism: 1. The interdependant Nature of reality 2. Non-violence (or Alltruism) The concept of "No Independant Origination" is very helpfull too. Thanks, Seth

Hi I'm Seth from NJ a.k.a. aeroseth. Lately people I live with have been very judgemental, some of my extended family really are indifferent. My true friends are few. I am at peace with who I am and what I am becoming, but there are people who just are so sick so warped that they need to cite my weaknesses and failures as reason to write me off. God is on my side this I know, I do his will to the best of my capacity (which is diminishing every day) and still I get grief. I am tired, but not from running away. I am weary, but not from sorrow. I am in pain, but not from beating myself. Having BiPolar type II depression has it's ups and downs. ;) I manage my depression and mania with meds and therapy, but it never seems enough. People I share honestly with sometimes think they have the answer for me, if they only had what I had they would realize they sound like idiots. Just when I think I'm getting a grip, I slip off the monkey bars. People say get a job, I can get a job the problem is keeping it. People say do some inner work, I've done more inner work then anybody I know. People say pray and trust God, God and I laugh at that I pray all the time and God is my only trust at times. People say this and that. The problem is I listen very well, and probly better then most. What I hear anymore is insanity, people telling me to do the same things that I have tried on countless occasions with the same result, but they expect some how to be the guru who knows better, and it'll be different this time. Bear Oil! Horse Feathers! Frogs Hair! Seems to me my life as it is right now is a miracle, I shouldn't be here, I should be dead, but I'm not. If people want to judge let them judge, but beware. Recently I had to add a new med and it was hard to tolerate for a week or so, I was hearing things and getting edgy, but I pushed through it, it caused me to gain 20 pounds in 2 months, and I was very sick from the weight gain. I had to adjust and now I lost 10 of those 20. This .... isn't easy, and people who don't understand just better shut up and back off. Thanks for letting me vent, Seth

templelady, Good post and point. Seth

"The Decade of Trickery" is more accuate. Seth

Like anything, one disorder doesn't exlude another, when I was young they knew nothing if ADHD but I had it, I have Bipolar and it's being treated, at this time I'm dealing with other disorders. The fact that these things are better known and understood, now is great, because I suffered through bipolar for most of my life, I wish they knew about these things when I was younger. Seth

Soon I'm going to give Free To Air Satellite a try. Seth

Freud Welcome to GSC, I guess your meeting LCM and then finding out who he is was tantamount to meeting someone the likes of David Koresh or Marshall Applewhite. Considering the extent that they would go for what they believe in would give pause for anyone of sound mind to think how best to handle revealing of ones identity in a public forum. So I think you acted sanely and rationally in view of the potential this man LCM has, you have seen him on his best behaviour. Most of us know the other side, and it ain't pretty. Your caution is warranted. Please do keep us posted. Yours Truly, Seth

Thanks for the fun, I moved these pictures to the gallery section look under aeroseth's picts. I'm storing them at myspace (Shameless plug) http://www.myspace.com/aeroseth2k and I've reached my limit will be deleting them soon

Seems to me what touched this off was the republishing for the average twiggy a little pamphlet that had Dr's name on it. What was it called? I forget but the tag line was "A Prolegomenon on Christian Ethics" VP sure loved those $5 words. Originally it was only for the Corps to have, but LCM seemed to want every one to read it. It dealt with tithing and homosexuality and I forget what else. But it became standard reading for those wanting to have the present truth (that's so Orwellian). They remastered AOTS and LCM showcased it at the AC in '91 doing his own live commentary, he spead it on thick when it came to homosexuality. He (pardon the pun) crusified the trinity as being the window through which homo spirits gain access. Blah blah blah. It was all very theatrical and very much over the top as I recall, but as the weeks and the months went on. We began to hear more and more about it. A Wow team leader was booted off the field the year I was out wow, he was one of our branch coordinators in VA. I saw him at the ROA in '93 he looked crushed. Then at ROA '94 LCM cancelled the wow program because of to many homos signing up for wow. What ever the real problem was I can bet it wasn't the little people who were being kicked in the head. If the top leaders in TWI could get away with killing the first born male children to insure their security at the top they'd probly do it. But the best they can muster is gay bashing, book burning, and hate mongering; all they need is a little genecide and they'd be right up there with the Nazi's Seth

I think it's real simple, reality sometimes sucks, denial is worse. I wish all these facts about TWI and VPW were not true, but I think they are. Most of my feelings for TWI and VPW were beautiful and came from a need in me to have a father figure and a family that was better then what I was born into. My need was an illusion how I felt going to twig was my own feelings I felt good about it because I wanted to it wasn't any more real then the sci-fi books I read at the time. The altruistic angle VP played was a front, the Utopian society he built, a sham. The only thing that's stopping us from recreating something better is because we believe it can't be done. Well to that I conceed, maybe we can't but we all seem to know the issues we all seem to agree that what we saw felt and experienced was awesome, and many were crushed when it fell. But in the end all I ever really had was my own concept of what was happening, 99% of my experience was between my ears, most physicists would say it's 100% between my ears. It's hard to explain but everything I thought I had because of TWI I know today the truth. The truth is this, if I never would have been involved with TWI, those feelings and experiances would still have happened, it's called life. In the end I believe we would not be arguing this point if we were talking about Hitler. Ask any German who was a school child in Nazi Germany during the early 1940's and they would say they really loved the man. Because that's how they were taught.

OK, so let me het this straight, in 3 years time "The Sower" went from being a 4-6 page xeroxed staple bound single color free pamphlet, to a 4 color glossy magazine? Now they want all the people who signed up for the free version to start paying? Sounds Egotistical to me. Maybe someone should have asked God what the best thing to do was. When I signed up for information with them in 2002 they sent me a packet (all the back issues of the sower plus 2 or three booklets and some other things) of stuff, then kept sending me "The Sower" you know what that was a bit over the top, if they would have sent tapes (thank God they didn't) it would have really freaked me out. I wonder if the old monthly Way Magazine ever started out free? Seems to me if it makes good fertilizer I'd buy it, but these four color glossy jobs just kill my house plants. Seth

Hi folks for those who care to play Battlefield 2 on-line, I have a test server up and running. The name of the server is " EC-NJ AeroServer" it's unranked and limited to 10 players. If all goes well I plan on getting the ranked server and seeing how much play I get. Later, Seth

New Jersey "The (Asphalt) Garden State" was born in Fort Wayne Ind though Seth

I just watched Big Love on HBO last night after the Soprano's and I must say I liked it. Matter of fact I recommend it for us Ex-TWI folks, there's alot of interesting stuff in the show, and it's by far the closest thing to life in a cult I've seen portrayed on TV. If anyone has seen it please let's talk about it here. Thanks, Seth http://www.hbo.com/biglove/?ntrack_para1=feat_sec1_title