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I concur with this, Raf. In addition, the enormous growth of Facebook (especially, but other social media too) has grabbed many who, after all these years actually now have much more in common with non-TWI people than they do ex-TWIts. On Facebook they can still connect with old friends from 30-40 years ago, and at the same time keep up with those we see and play with in our "after" life today. As for bringing back Pol-attacks...NEVER! (please). A few thoughts about it from me: 1- There were virtually no views changed by anyone when we had it. It was a bunch of soap-boxing. Myself included. 2- The rhetoric was nauseating (such as Allan's two recent attempts to bring it back). That in itself may be a trait of politics today but the problem in a forum like GSC is it did not stay in the Politics forum. The disgust posters had with other posters in that arena often carried over to non-political forums. I believe that is why I know of no ex-TWI site which puts up with more than a very occasional bit of political banter. It tends to distract from what we have in common. 3- There are numerous places on the internet dedicated almost exclusively to those of us who are political junkies. I enjoy them. Conservatives troll Huffpost and MSNBC sites and progressives troll Fox, Breitbart and Infowars. Nothing is accomplished, but if you want to get spicy those are places you can go and give it a whirl. 4- Rather than soapbox here, if we are serious about our political views, it is a much better use of our time to actually become involved in campaigns or our party's work, or run for office ourself rather than babble here to closed ears. A few GSC people have done just that. It is just not worth it here, not needed here, and will not happen here.

Well Twinky, I certainly have not checked the Wierwille family tree, and what I will say in no way should be taken as verifying it. I have documented my own German side family tree to the mid 1500s in eastern Germany and my grandfather documented my Scot/English side to 1324. It is not inconceivable to me that the Wierwille tree could go back that far. Of course I don't know if they did the work to do so. The Huguenots lost a series of wars around 1680 (I believe), and it was either mandated they become Catholic, die, or get the heck out. Many got out, and fled to Protestant areas of Europe including several parts of Germany. There have been several large scale emigrations of Germans to America due to religious persecutions, wars or economic strife. My own lineage included. If they knew when the Wierwille family came to America, or even where in Germany they had fled to from France the history could be traced with some work. HOWEVER!...you are right his bloodline is the most meaningless bloodline to a Christian that there ever could be.

Bringing this back to the topivc of Victor Arden Barnard's extradition. According to the article Twinky posted, his attorney said It is my understanding that the extradition treaty between the US and Brazil already includes the condition that prisoners will not be able to face longer terms in the US than they would face in the Brazil had they committed those crimes in Brazil. Barnard's Brazilian attorney stated that fact back when he was arrested a year ago. I doubt that the US would balk at agreeing to the condition, either as a matter of principle of the treaty we have with Brazil, or in considering the age of criminal.

an excellent addition to the Greasespot! Welcome! I am liking your attitude so far. It has been awhile since we have had mucik in the way of recently involved people here. I think Longhunter was the last one, and most of us know very little about the status of TWI at this point. It will be wonderful as you have the time, to update us on things like how many people are now regularly active in TWI in the USA? Worldwide? What is there in international outreach? Where? Did Rosalie and Donna ever get married? (just joking) Seriously, welcome to GSC, pull up a bar stool and do not feel you can only drink the coffee. I understand a liquor license has been applied for.

A thread has been started in the Open forum for Garth

It flubbergusts me how often I see people on Facebook who after 45 years still are enamored with PFAL. The Lord may hope that sometime in the next 15 years they will see it for what it really was.

you are the one who consistently describes yourself as "Hey, I am just ignorant, non-corp folk seeking information" Have you always had such low self esteem or is it a new development in your life? aside from all the misspellings in there, your intent was clear. You don't much care for the answers you get here do you? Tough petunias So you say, but saying it does not make it true. Most of those you are addressing could, or did make it in TWI, but finally came to realize that the emperor there wore no clothes (in some cases literally) and moved on with their life, serving God's purpose in new ways. They chose not to "make it" in TWI any longer because TWI was a dung pit of lies and falsehoods and they wanted no part of it when they realized this. uhuh those men and women HAVE accomplished a lot both during and post TWI. What have you done?

As Rocky already replied, it is a standard term oft used at GSC and other places by ex TWIts, both ex-corps and non-corps.

one does not need to be ordained to have a recognized gift ministry. We were all told he was TWI's greatest evangelist. In my case I heard it in 1972 when he was first introduced to me by T0mmy Cr@bb. So what? By the way,since I know DWBH personally perhaps you will take my word for the fact that he was in the Corpse. If you had read the threads about ordination somebody linked in a previous post on this thread it would be rather obvious. Why would you question it?

what the heck is an "international country"?

Are you getting Electrolux and Kirby mixed up? ^_^/>

Would John Juedes' site be of help? http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/cultsthe.htm

Seth, it is not unusual these days for there to be no obit in newspapers. Many papers charge for them, and if most the friends and relatives are out of town it often is decided to bother with it. With email and social sites, word gets to those who need to know better that way. RIP Jim Martin.

I believe this is what MRAP is talking about- http://www.stfonline.org/rev

The anti gay marriage battle in CA (Prop 8) was largely financed by the LDS.

Well Krys, the actual charges were not formally filed until April 2014, and he has been on the run since before that. The investigation started in 2009 as I recall, and he has been hiding since then. Brazil says he first came there in 2010, (which is true) but American authorities are pretty sure he has been in Washington State at times in since then. So the answer to your question is twofold, He has been hiding for 6 years and running since at least April of 2014. Yes Twinky I saw Jeff's name (tips hat) It was Jeff who first started talking here a number of years ago about this asshat. I wonder if Granddaughter might stop back in here too sometime.

The Brazilian Court has already signed the extradition for Barnard. That was done within 24 hours of the arrest. It may still be a couple of weeks before he he brought back here. The lady arrested with him was one of the maidens when she lived here in the US. She is Brazilian, and was charged with aiding a fugitive by the police in Brazil and was released on bond. Her charges are in Brazil, not here, therefore she will not be extradited. Here are some links to more info http://www.twincities.com/minnesota/ci_27626670/woman-minnesota-sect-leader-was-part-group-ex and Monday evening's broadcast by Fox9 in MN http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/28242468/cult-leaders-victim-looking-forward-to-seeing-him-in-shackles

They got him! http://www.myfoxtwin...tured-in-brazil

thanks for finding and sharing that Charlene

Victoria Hirschfeld's Linked in shows her working at DTC Energy Group- https://www.linkedin...feld/91/22b/343 DTC's Facebook page has a picture of the family at a charity event. At least they are doing something nice for others. Wonder how they are doing at paying off the people they bilked? https://www.facebook...?type=1 It looks like Adam Hirschfeld also works for DTC https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=29941168&authType=NAME_SEARCH&authToken=qtgJ&locale=en_US&srchid=1890583521413703427034&srchindex=1&srchtotal=9&trk=vsrp_people_res_name&trkInfo=VSRPsearchId%3A1890583521413703427034%2CVSRPtargetId%3A29941168%2CVSRPcmpt%3Aprimary

yes, V2P2 is JP and Shari's son, shown with Walter Cummins and Doug McMullen

Excat- maybe Pressler was painting a movie star. Rottie- it still works. Right click on the avatar, select 'copy image location'. Go to Google and open Google images. Click on the camera in the search bar then paste the image location URL you copied. Voila! Here is yours, and some other Rottie images and animations- http://www.picgifs.com/dog-graphics/rottweiler/ ok, I am done with the derail, sowwy. (but it was fun to play with y'all.)

hehe I wondered about that avatar a couple of years ago. I copied the link to her avatar and then entered it in Google image search. baboom, there it was :)

Your stock avatar is taken from a painting by Gene Pressler. The whole thing can be seen here http://www.pinterest.com/poetess54/vintage-ladies-of-gene-pressler/