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Give it a shot, Tom. Just don't harsh my buzz, man.

dmiller debuggin'! Roy, I was reading there for a bit. I think you have to recognize that the group is for "Way Believers", members of whatever status with the Way International. I guess - I don't really know but - I'd assume they'd entertain particpation actively with people that have an interest in particpating in Way activities and discussion that weren't members. But it's obviously designed for people that are members at some level or interested in finding out more about the group. You're not a member of the Way International if I understand correctly. Nieither am I. I don't think it's out of line for them to decide for themselves if a non-members posts contribute to the direction of their myspace group. I read what you wrote in several posts, it seems like they discussed it as far as they were interested in going. Ultimately the most meangingful discussion for them is going to be amongst Way believers and their interests. I posted on the Cannabis thread, and qualified my status with the Way. In reading through the group posts it was something I felt moved to do, but I have no intention of getting involved in the group, and wouldn't be surprised if they let my comments drop. They're good comments of course, but it was a one time thing on a topic I felt I could offer some advice. I'm certainly not going to hassle them or debate anything with them, I just wouldn't feel right about it. That's just me.

Hey there, Hope! I checked her space out - nice! Proud Mom! :) That's a nice guitar! I found another one here - Some information and a big ol' pic here Gretsch's have a great sound, I was surprised looking at some recently. Found an Electromatic hollow body that played very well, and at a much better price than the 2k + that Invisible Dan's talking about. The CG's played well but I didn't get from here to there on the price. Great guitar!!

Aaah, I finally got to see your dancers A la. I am, in a word, speechless. Love to see tha bass waysider! Sounds like a sweet deal. If there's a way to send it sprawled out, please do. I'll post that solo up and we can shag some Hag! Welcome to the Dance was a really cool album, seemed to catch Champlin's "new"(est) material finally. I'd seen him doing part of those songs in concert for awhile, but they were sneaking in, it seemed. One of the things about the Sons was that they'd been doing the same tunes for years. Everytime you'd see them they'd do "1984A", "Get High", all those songs, sometimes they'd do "Jesus Is Coming" by Tim Cain and a few others that didn't make the record, and if it was a bigger concert they'd close with "Freedom". There weren't a lot of "60's" bands hitting it 'big'(ger) that had that musicianship and songwriting, Cold Blood, Tower of Power, The Loading Zone were amongst a few that come to mind right off. Bands of that era like Jefferson Airplane, Big Brother, the Dead were getting a lot of media but they weren't in the same ball park as some of these other bands that weren't heard of as much then. The sons had vibes, Geoff Palmer was really good on them then (and he's great now). Champlin's voice was a smooth Lou Rawls, who'd been a favorite of mine for years. So when Welcome to the Dance came out it had that funkier sound and part of the "Children's Suite" that Champlin had been writing and working up with the band - "new" stuff! His voice took on a huskier tone - it was a real shift in direction from that smoother ensemble sound they'd had,, although I loved that first band's sound and the first album. Hag storeez - waysider - Ohio? Howie? Howie would have them, for sure. We saw some old friends this holiday, up from Texas, and we reminisced about the Sons. Fillmore - about '70 or so - the Sons were taking the stage and as usual it took awhile for them to get settled in, lit up and on their instruments. The Fillmore was a big venue, no small gig but the Sons usually meandered onstage where they were as if they'd just wandered in off the street. Champlin and Hag both had their big Gibson L-5's. Haggerty was in his usual spot, off to the right and everybodys' getting tuned. He's way out of tune. Way out, and getting worse, fiddling with it. Champlin does his L-5 and then messes with the organ, Palmer's deedling on the vibes, it goes on for awhile and Haggerty's face is scrinched up and he gets progressively more and more out of tune and it's obvious he's already warmed up for "Get High", in a big way. Finally everyone's kind of waiting and Bill looks at him and Haggerty takes the guitar off and holds it out straight armed to him like a kid and says- "Bill....tune my guitar!" :biglaugh: Champlin shook his head and took it and tuned it up and handed it back and Haggerty just stood there frozen in some very special time and place and started noodling on something and Champlin just sighed in the mic and said "one-two-three.....can ya hear it comin'...." and they were off. Amazingly Haggerty played right in the slot first beat and they were off and running. That was one of the very special things about a Sons gig - it often seemed like it was just heading towards a train wreck just watching them trying to get set up and ready to play. If you'd talked to any of them before they played it could get - a little strange. But then they'd hit the tunes and play exceptional, night after night.

Mr. H, you've heard of "working lunches"? That must be what's called a "working vacation". Vacation without the burden of planning activities or having fun! Now... just WORK

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Cat pee!! I love this place!!!!! They're cool, didn't notice them but now that I do I'm with sudo. They look snazzy. I hope they produce a buck or two for you Paw.

Where'd you hear that polar bear? Makes me wonder what the benefit of going there would be to anyone? Contact with the hallowed utensils of a holy people? The ever present plushness of well kept grounds? Big trees? Knowing the Way the "holidays", "open" and "visitors" will mean something completely different for them than for normal humans. they can't even publish a website without a long drawn out page of "terms and conditions". I can't imagine what would be involved to be a "visitor". Already I can smell a list of requirements and preparations that would be necessary to insure the visitor gets the most blessings out of the visit. Maybe they'll issue it to the 278 active members they have worldwide, with a HFC Plan of Action for effectively monitoring the bless-ee's preparations.

hey! ditto Excelsa!!!! Just saw that, popped right up and flashed me. :biglaugh:

Ya think? I've been told 'they' may be right, but I'm getting a second opinion on that. So - a Sons fan! There ya go. Yah, the Hag is a goner, by the sounds of it. Did you see the Sons 'back in the day', when he was with them? I still like the original lineup the best - with Tim Cain and the original drummer and bass player - he played a fretless, forget what make. I got the live CD of them, recorded at Luther Burbank Center, in Santa Rosa, CA. Terry H is playing on that and it's a good sound, but it lacked his L-5 sound I thought. The cover photo looked like he was on a Strat or other similar solid body. The sound was harder, he was pushing quite a bit harder, which may have been the result of the heavier rhythm section they have now. What I like about the original was the way it "breathed', had holes and was still dense. But - as you say, nothing's quite like a Haggerty solo. One of the wildest I remember recorded was from the Gold Mine album, on the live title cut. There's a part where he goes way outside, like he slips out of key doing fast 16th notes and the dissonance is delicious. It's such a perfectly self-contained Haggerty solo - priceless! dmiller, my Mom's from the tiny town of El Dorado, southern edge of Illinois. I was out there a few months ago, by Chicago and really wanted to get down there but didn't have the time. Half of my genetic roll is from that country. Funny factoid about El Dorado - George Harrison came to the U.S. and visited his sister who lived there at the time, back in the early 60's, before The Beatles had hit here. So technically he was the first Beatle on U.S. ground, and he visited Illinois! No idea how she came to live there, but kinda cool. Read about it a few years ago.

Sprawled out - Potent Quotable for a 1,000: It's true - the need for others to validate what we do, who we are, is strong. Some people want someone else to tell them they're "okay" before they'll accept it. I don't know that that's what E is doing, but in general if books and ideas like these bring us to a place where we're taking ownership of our own lives and futures, that's a good thing. If they're just another crutch looking for a broken leg they're not much good. I've never read them, probably won't, but I think your advice is sound - I can't "know thyself" without some serious me-time, as it's called. If all I accept about myself is what someone else tells me, I'm in a serious world of hurt - and what if they should turn against me? In Jesus Christ, there's a "revealer of the heart". I often think of the old hymn, "I Come to the Garden Alone". That relationship is personal and starts one-on-one, not with a crowd of chaperones along for the ride. To relinquish control to another takes the responsibility off our shoulders, but almost without exception those who do our validating for us never fully accept what we'd like to give them. They can't. When push comes to shove the decisions we make are our own. The older we get the fewer "do overs" we have, and they're few and far between anyway. I agree wholeheartedly that there's a place for personal ownership of our faith that doesn't rely on someone else telling us what's true and right before we accept it. Our faith can be found within us, if we're willing to look at ourselves and start to actually determine what do "I" really believe, think, feel, want to do, not do.

Hey whatsgoingon, thanks for the input. You said: I guess it wasn't serious till it hit them where they live, by the sounds of it. It's okay when it's someone else but when it's them, no-go...is that it?

Thanks 1broken1. This caught my eye: The word "sophomoric" comes to mind. Maybe caught up in himself? I read a line somewhere else here that eluded to MG doing that. Sounds like he's making it up as he goes along.

Here's a name you don't hear a lot - "Buckethead". Anyone else ever checked this guitarist out? He's been around for awhile, centered out of San Francisco. If you do a search on Youtube for Buckethead, some videos of his come up, mostly fan stuff. Just curious if any of you check him out, what you think. He's electric metal shredder speed style guitar. And more. He wears a bucket on his head, over a wig and mask. All the time. A Kentucky Fried Chicken bucket. I read some stuff Ozzy Osbourne said about him, where Ozzy turned him down to play with him because he thought Buckethead played incredibly, but was too weird. So I guess that says something, not sure what. But - while a lot of what he plays isn't useful to me personally, I found this guy to be so unique in his hand and finger dexterity that he's really interesting. Like many out-of-the-box guitarists over the years he seems to do a lot of things that nobody has come up with. I won't put any links up but if you do check him out, lemme know what your impression is if you would.

Right on, Ron! Inspirational. :) I heard that. Thanks. Nu-Life - will check it out, thanks! I take a multi-vitamin supplement that's pretty generic, and I recently got a pill crusher, and taking them crushed up, in yogurt or cereal, seems to help. Usually I don't digest vitamin pills very well and that's solved that. I also found that "Emergen-C" is a good form for me, a powder that dissolves in water or juice. Mental health - yeah, life can drive you crazy sometimes. Several years ago I was in a seminar of Jim Loehr's, a sports and 'personal' performance coach and speaker. The company I work for held it and I was helping with the event and sat in the sessions. He had a lot of practical solutions for reducing stress. One that stuck with me - he talked about how disorganization produces stress, the way family, work, personal affairs can push and pull us in different directions all at once, and how to reduce the stress of them piling up. He talked about how some stress is produced by all of the things we are "going to do", need to do but aren't doing, usually because at the time we can't do them. Like the house - come home, see the lawn, needs mowing, we see it and think yeah I need to mow it. Mail piles up, we think how we need to sit down and go through it. Garage - piles of stuff to go through. Closets need cleaning out. Etc. etc. Everytime we encounter these things and don't do something about them stress is the result, because we register that we "should" be taking care of them, but aren't. Weight seems to accumulate, we become more burdened. We have things that do need to be done now and it's easy to just keep feeling like we're putting everything off. One simple solution he discussed was simply to use a calendar - calendar these kinds of things to do them, when we have time. So, lawn gets mowed- Saturday, 9 am. Garage - that has to wait, next month, second weekend. Etc. etc. Do it the same way we would our work or business affairs. Once we do that we've made realistic plans to complete all this incomplete stuff. Now everday I still see the undone stuff but I've ordered it in my mind, relief is produced because I'm not harboring this unrealistic expectation that I "should" be fixing everything, right now. Sounds simple but I've found in extremely busy times, like the holidays, it helps a LOT. I work with my brain to understand the things I'm NOT going to do. Period, ain't going to happen. It's so simple, but looking at our time and the demands made on it and actually doing a little planning and writing it down is a huge problem solver for all of this "little" stuff that accumulates on and on and on. Plus, it obviously helps to get stuff done.

Happy Birthday Doctor StrangeLove!

Yah, the Chicago stuff really inspired a generation, waysider! And there was a real difference in sound from the other stuff that developed regionally. Chicago was a home for a lot of southern musicians that migrated north, black (and white) poor looking to improve their economics. Industrialization was the magnet, really. Auto factories, food processing, manufacturing, all of it brought the jobs that drew the people. The Service too, Army etc. took people all over the country. The way the music came along is fascinating. The factory versus the field - the new environment and the exposure to other sounds seemed to make that blend of blues that came up. Machinery, cars, electricity - electric guitars, amps, microphones, drums. Jimmy Reed is a good example again, as he's probably more accurately described as "rhythm and blues", the sound that Chicago really did so much to develop. Something you can dance to. :) I think that's what makes him such a pivotal figure, given his recording career. His guitar and harmonica combo was classic country blues. The rhythm style where the guitar plays the bass part and left hand of a piano figure, and the chord and lead riffs on top, all in one package. It's a simple style, but the way Reed whacked away at it he took all those little traditional blues figures and made them into song statements, with a "hook". An odd kind of genius, almost. My mom grew up in southern Illinois and heard a lot of the music that was around in the 30's and 40's and when she heard my Reed 45's, she recognized that sound right off the bat as stuff she'd heard here and there, probably by people that never ever got near a recording studio. She didn't really like it, but was kind of tickled that I was buying these records now. :) Interesting the way it came up and out.

Hi Shellon - he said they both anti-clot but the aspirin is a more effective anti-clotter, and at lower dosages doesn't have much effect otherwise (although it could on the stomach I guess). He suggested keeping them apart by a few hours so the aspirin could do it's thing. Acetamenopen doesn't have much of an effect on me, for whatever reasons, so I still took the Ibuprofen too, just not right on top of the other. It was kind of a general "at your age" instruction to do the aspirin, "good insurance' as long as it didn't bug my stomach which it doesn't. I'd dislocated a finger at the time and for several months would have to pop a 1,000 milligrams of Ibu's at some point in the day to take the edge off it.

Polar Bear, good topic. I take a baby aspirin (81 milligrams), have for several years for specific reasons. One tip - my Doc told me that Ibuprofen has an anti-clotting effect like aspirin, and will block it So for mild pain relief, take the aspirin earlier or try acetaminophen. Alpha Lipoic Acid - I take 200 milligrams a day in a supplement. It's an anti-toxidant that does good things for the body's cells. Anti-toxidants are all the rage these days, but A. L. acid has come up pretty stable as beneficial. Fish. And spinach. Spinach ROCKS! A bag o' spinach is ounce for ounce one of the best things to have around. And eat. I racked my knees and lower legs, similar to you P.B. Also had 2 herniated disks years ago. I have a treadmill, mid-sized one, that's about the right level for me. In fact, one of my New Year's Things To Do is to use it. The buzz on cardio-vascular is 20 minutes minimum a day. I've got a 40 minute work out of 20 minutes treadmill and 20 minutes light weight and stretching exercises, with a warrm up and cool down. Doing it several times a week really makes a difference in how I feel. I sit nearly all day, so coming home and getting to it is a good method. I uh, really really plan to keep it up this year.

Speaking of funky Chicago style guitarists, Jimmy Reed. (And HERE too) Top 10 all time favorites, although a very personal style of guitar for his songs. Classic harmonica too, really the basis of his whole sound (with Chuck Berry) is the foundational driver for the Stones sound. I wasn't in California in the 70's and found out too late he'd moved out to Oakland. It's one of the reasons I'm trying to keep track of musician's I like better, as I'd have certainly tried to track him down if I'd known that. Not that he'd been well enough or willing to see people but I could have made a pest of myself, y'know and would have loved to just meet him. His tunes have stood up so well. His relationship with his wife Mary over the years both as spouses and co-songwriters was interesting. His style is very listenable and simple but very hard to do right. He was an Original, to be sure. Died at 51, way too young, but he'd drank all his life. I've got an album around somewhere, the only one left of his original recordings released on Vee Jay that I have. I used to buy his 45's when I was about 10, 11 and loved the "B" sides which were typically even looser and more loopy than the "A" side. The album I have contains one release from all the major years of recording he did, with an interview asking him about each song for each year. Reed tells a story or tale about each one and how he wrote it. He sounds like he's 70 but he was still very young at the time. Talks about "Mama Reed", and having a "cup of tea" together. Wonderful but sad at the same time as he sounds like he had to be propped up to do it. Dunno, but he made music that still shows up today - Big Boss Man, Ain't That Loving You Baby, Goin' to New York, Ain't That A Shame, Honest I do. All keepers.

waysider, that's guy's all over it. I was really surprised. It's Chicago style blues alright too. West coasters too yeah. There used to be a lot of clubs in the SF Bay Area that hosted and supported blues back in the 60's and 70's. A lot of them seem to have closed up or changed hands. Most of the smaller ones never paid much, usually a per centage of the door. But your typical bar/club would pay a guarantee if you drew a lot of people that liked to drink and stayed around to do it. I remember playing a lot some years, 3-4 nights a week between bands, but a lot of weeks a 100 bucks total was doing good. After gas and refreshments there's not much left. :B)

That's one of the benni's of being a Floridian alright, when you're right down the road Chatty! Off-season is the ONLY way to do the Di'ney and Epcot trip. Wonder what tickets run these days? I confess it wasn't my favorite place at first, although the Mrs. worked there for awhile when it opened so we went a couple times on Mickey. Then we pretty much only visited with the kidlings while we were in Tampa when we could plan around slow times. Couple times, was enough for me! Scallops - yah. Fresh ones are like nothing else. The ones we got ran from small to mid-sized and were like little mouthfuls of silvery sweetness. YIKES! God's Marshmallows. I go on to folks out here about Grouper. With rare exception I've never seen any seafood I didn't like. Grouper ranks Top 5. And Tampa's the place to get it. Or was, I hope that hasn't changed. I remember Shells, which was a good place to eat and reasonable. And a little place, sort of a shack in the wall - a few blocks off Dale Mabry, sort of on the north of town, can't place the road or name. Served on wooden picnic tables with funky paper placemats...? Probably a lot of places like it. Fresh Grouper fingerlings with fries, pretty cheap. Oh yeah. Hot dogs roadside! How bout a Grouper Dog? There was a big Thoroughbred's on the east side of town and Hope posted while back that Sam Ash opened up there a few years ago. Got a link to a site on myspace, blues harmonica, and it's some really good sounding music. Guy out of Phoenix Arizona. Bob Corritore Loved this guy's sound, Chicago blues style. Worth checking out!

Well Chatty, sounds like you'll be digging in soon enough, and having fun in the sun! With that many people moving in and about - wow! You're going to Di'ney World!

Well thank you, Ma'am! Glad you like it. I think I have it set now, more or less. MySpace, The Final Front Ear Man,it's cold up here in the no-thuhn country. Cold for us. Got 2 Presto logs going, it's that cold tonight!

Hello Biblebrain, welcome! One of the most hoppin' topics that threads throughout many of the GS discussions is this very thing - This is, in fact, what many of the posters here would probably say they've done, or are doing and GS offers a forum for some of that development to take place. And just as important, what's going on now. Your additions to the discussion will be welcome I'm sure. How have you separated those things? What's fallen where, so to speak. This thread may not be the right place for it, but if you choose to, feel free to pop one up! Something to consider too is that GS is a single place for discussion and doesn't constitute the whole of how most people think or live. Topics are posted and discussed. IMO (in my opinion) the discussion itself can include a value judgment based on what's been posted becasue that's the medium of the board. The more people that post more information, the higher the quality of the discussion. In other words, the more information, the more "sides" of a story that are represented, the more informed the responses can be. But assumed in nearly any discussion like this one is the understood statement "if what's been posted is true, based on that information then..." ... you get the response. For instance E's letter. Of course that's only one side of the story. And the entire personal side of John L's and E's marriage is unknown to most here, as it should be and will probably remain. So addressing the letter itself precludes that information, or any other sides to the many things that are described in it. Basically we're reading personal correspondence between two people, in a public forum. If I get past that and accept that there's a value to it being here, the next question is, to who and what goes that value? I gather here there's some concern for family and friends that may be involved with CES. For me it's sad to see the struggle that goes on, needlessly. For others, other things I'm sure. And I'm sure that those with a heart for it have prayed for all involved.