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there are many many churches and gatherings of Christian people that are great. just came from a study fellowship that was such a great time, we're reading through the book of John and are in the 7th chapter. no way or ex way association of any kind. learning is an exciting adventure, i find that to be very true. being with others that want to do the same is envigorating and healing. some churches primarily provide services and functions, others provide more fellowship and sharing times, still others blend the two. i think the blend works best - look for that, if you're looking.

They just wished more than anything that his life would prosper and grow. Even as his soles prospered.

When I heard it on the radio I figured there would be a HUGE backlash, as it sounded like they said there was a guy trying to get "booze" banned. So unofficially the counts seems to be pret' near all wouldn't support a ban on booing, across the board, but would encourage self-control with a dash of consideration. ? And allow for a difference between pro and non-pro sports. ? I agree with kids sports for sure - we should give the kids a break, encouragement. It just makes me kind of queasy to have another rule/law propose to govern personal behavior when it could be handled more directly at things like school events by simple reminding people - these are your kids. They need to get up tomorrow and feel half way decent about themselves, come on.

Chatty, I hesitated to put that up. I'm glad you survived. "Pipeline" is a classic. I had the Chantays album that had it and I swear I can remember their faces. And interestingly, the buzz on a lot of those early 60's surf bands was that their albums were recorded by studio musicians. Tommy Tedesco, Glen Campbell, Carol Kaye (bass) have all said they played on many of the sessions that produced the hits. So in most cases the playing's good and in the case of this video the 'Tays are pick-synching so they had plenty of energy to work those moves. It's really a classic! Dead - what can be said? Guitar-wise, just not my cup of tea. I always harp on the vast amounts of money, time and energy that went into Garcia's guitar and equipment, yet he frequently had a sound that was thin and out of tune. Other stuff, like the tune he did guitar on for Bruce Hornsby - can't place the name now, he smoked. I think he needed direction and an engineer to shape the sound better, although that's probably crazy talk to a Dead Head, I know. Only guy who seemed to have decent chops IMO was Kreutzman. Hart, forget it. I heard second hand about his Planet Drum thing, Hart has a heck of a time keeping steady time. It confirms what I heard the few times I've seen them. Lesh and Weir - uh, no. But they're the Dead and they do Dead better than anyone alive, and they've made massive amounts of money doing it. Good ol' All American Hippie Capitalism, at it's best.

Heap big magic, I-Dan. But there is a way... In brightest day, in blackest night No evil shall escape my sight. Let those who worship evils' might Beware my power... Green Lanterns' light!

I saw it, but I didn't think we were supposed to tell anyone.

Cool photo dmiller! Steve Martin - pre-gray! Me and McGhee was a good song, wasn't it? Are it? Yeah, I never got my Hippie Card I guess. But again - Youtube has some real gold. Remember The Chantays? Pipeline? You've heard the song... Now see the music...if you dare.............. But be warned - before you view the above video clip - you will never be able to hear the words "surf music" again without these images coming back, burned forever in your consciousness, so proceed cautiously if at all. You also may want to shield your children's eys or provide suitable eye protection for them if they're in the room at the time you decide to view the clip. I've also read it's not uncommon for people to view the clip repeatedly over and over after a first viewing, unable to stop, so you may want to arrange for someone to close your browser after a pre-determined amount of time, say 10 minutes.

40 YEARS ago, Sprawled???? Oh my, my my! A La, I don't want to ignore your last music posts, but I've been pondering something good to say about them. Danko was one of the greats, and really did something in The Band. Loved his voice and style. I may take some hits for this but I was never and am still not a great fan of Janis Joplin, sooooo....and Jerry Garcia - looked much better then when his hair and beard were still a dark brown. I can definitely say that. But I applaud your effort and the might of YouTube!!!! It's appreciated!!! :eusa_clap:

Don't know if this will generate much discussion, or what kind if it does. I heard this on the radio this morning, and found this story about it online. Apparently the practice of "booing" at sports games may be banned, if one person has their way. I particularly liked this quote from the story - "In Philadelphia booing was part of our game-day experience. We even booed the booers if we felt they were booing the wrong player for the wrong reasons. Now the executive director of the Washington Interscholastic Activities Association, Mike Colbrese, says he believes boos don't belong in sports, or at least in sports that his organization sanctions. " Read the whole article HERE. Waddya think? Will this affect Halloween too?

How did we get to Norway? There's no reason why Way grads in the U.S. would have heard of such an incident, unless it was reported in the news media, and loudly. Certainly The Way wouldn't have broadcast it to people, their M.O. is to stifle "bad news" and that would have certainly been bad enough to keep quiet about. I'd have to assume that in the wake of such an event there would have been a great deal of confusion and hurt, shock. Still - there were people who knew apparently, like you Bumpy and nothing was communicated here about it, no avenue to communicate or reason to do so, it would seem. So it remained unknown to anyone who didn't have an inside track. Sounds like business as usual at the Way, to me. On the other hand the circumstances - those are unknown so far to me. How do people get from reading the bible to shooting each other? What actually was going on? Why did the violence occur. I guess this does go to the topic in a way.

Hmmmm....Interesting use of a Les Paul - McCartney and Robbie McIntosh trading 8's, rock jam style....

Speaking of Indian sounds - here's a cool clip of George Martin and George Harrison discussing the tune "Within You and Without You" - Cool

Figgered you'd like it Chas. Hes' got The Tone. What a light, sensitive touch! Right from finger-style single note playing to slide. I like that little hammer on he does with the right hand at about 02:10 while gets his slide. Nice continuity.

Yah, it's wiggling. Jiggling. Stretching. I'm attending a study fellowship where we're reading the gospel of John every week. Talk about a 'Momentous' book. Jesus did take some hits, to put it mildly. By comparison I've got it pretty easy. Some don't. Course if I were to compare the persecution Jesus experienced with criticism of a training class like Momentous - well, I'm not sure I can. Jesus brought 'deliverance' to people, 'did' miracles. He didn't train blind people to see. He said see, they saw. The deliverance didn't come during a pillow fight, or upon successful completion of a curriculum. There's a difference - isn't there? I see a difference. I'm sure there's a difference there. Pillow fights are fun. Curriculums can be wonderful. Christian pillow fights and training curriculums - they're just the best. And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief. Yknow - ya want a drink o' water, ya gotta go to the well. (enrollments now being taken in the next room - have two forms of identification and be sure to read the entire agreement - single file please!)

Hey Chas - heard any Hey Chas - heard any

I used to wonder how and why Momentus got hooked up with ex-Wayfers and the Momentus classes were sold to ex-Wayfers.The guys who started M'us aren't ex-Wayfers and aren't members of any of the ex-Wayfer churches, societies groups or ministries. CES played a part in that. From the CES peop's standpoint, I think there could be two reasons it was brought in: One - the founders of CES feeling that after they and many others left the Way around 1986-'89, there was a lot of finger pointing and "victim" mentality. People feeling like they'd been taken advantage of, deceived at various stages of their involvement. Enter Momentus, offered from a passive/aggressive point of use - let Momentus do the work, get people "honest" about who they are and what had happened. Let it show people that they were responsible for their own state. Indeed, a conclusion that would basically be "you'd have had problems anywhere because the problem isn't other people it's how you handle life." Two - the founders of CES, Graeser particularly and Lynn and Schoenheit to lesser degrees, were inclined towards that kind of poking and probing, if not maliciously (God forbid, I might get sued!) than from a somewhat over-stated feeling of superiority. Graeser's taking - was it Psychology classes? After a semester or two, any bets on how much of that got into his CES messages? The man has a wife that's having dreams of arachnids populating people's bodily orifices. Hmmm. There's always some new breeze blowing some new tidbit into those guys field of vision it seems. More knowledge, more tips, more useful "systems". Insects. Doesn't seem to do much good, does it? Course then I'm reminded of Ozzy Osbourne, who was asked at one time about how @#$%! up he seemed to be all the time, and he responded, well, I'm doing pretty good today. "Sometimes it's really weird, y'know?" So in the weird world of Ozzie Osborne there's good days and bad days, but I wouldn't want to be the Ozzster on a good day. Y'know? Momentus has been beat around the bush so many times round here it's a pretty tired topic, IMO. Still, it's a dog that seems to always find a spot. Arf arf.

Nice tunes satori - thanks! LMAO! Very funny. I scrounged through YouTube a few weeks ago and found several Paul Gilbert video 'lessons' where he was just talking normally but kind of had that air. He's a good guitarist, nice guy I'm sure but something about his manner said "Yeah, this is pretty much for my teenage boy-fans to watch a 1,000 times till "Girls Gone Wild" reloads a new video clip". Cracked me up dmillar - my daughter calls it "spice".

Wanderer, I don't know the details on your own situation but based on what The Way says about itself on it's own site, it's not for everyone. (statements used below are copied directly from The Way.org to insure accuracy) It is designed to teach those who are hungering and thirsting for the truth how to understand the Bible. The Way Ministry is for serious Biblical students who want to discipline themselves to the Word— disciples. Not all people want that. We are a unique group with unique offerings of service. Serious biblical students - well, their definition of "serious" is debatable but they do want the visitor to recognize they're not for everyone. Biblical research, teaching, and fellowship is our ministry, and with it comes a myriad of supporting responsibilities to see that God’s Word prevails in our day and time. Under no circumstances, including, but not limited to, negligence, shall THE WAY, its subsidiary companies, or affiliates be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental, special, or consequential damages that result from the use of, or the inability to use, THE WAY materials. You specifically acknowledge and agree that THE WAY is not liable for any defamatory, offensive, or illegal conduct of any user. If you are dissatisfied with any of THE WAY material, or with any of THE WAY’s terms and conditions, your sole and exclusive remedy is to discontinue using theway.org. So I think it's arguable that The Way clearly has a mission, one it believes isn't for everyone but one that they believe is worthy and that everyone who wants it will benefit from. Unless - you don't benefit from it in which case you're on your own bud, they bear no responsibility and in fact they bear no guilt if you're NOT able to use what they offer. And if they are knowingly negligent in the execution of their stated purposes - they don't want to be held at fault or accountable for that. So if you get involved with them you will be expected to hold all responsibility for anything they might do that would or could cause you harm. Not them, you. This defines "CYA", when you have to say that you're not responsible whether a person uses or even doesn't use what you offer. Which you openly admit isn't for everyone but is in fact really really good. Put another way they're saying if you ain't diggin' it, dig somewhere else. Beat it. Am-scray Oots-cay. If that's how you feel and that's what you're doing, rest easy, friend, you're in line with their own expectations and directives. The idea of The Way being a unique "household" of "true believers" is a subjective one. Their definition of their own uniqueness, taken from verses like Ephesians 2:19 is contrary to what verses like 2:19 actually say, so not to worry there - you haven't mistakenly deserted the "one true household" of Christian "believers". Their attitude about their own super-value amounts to giving themselves a big fat pat on the back and a plaque to go with it, that says "We're Special!" The whole thing's pretty weak, y'know?

Cool stuff waysider. That reminds me of how blues is described as a "mistake" by - think it was B.B. King I read that said it but it's been put that way by others too. The "blue note", the minor 3rd, bent and stretched up to and down from in a melody. The major and minor scales each have the 3rd clearly defined, and in Blues it's toyed with. There's a world of expression between those two little adjacent notes, and an infinite number of ways to play it. Learning the style - I remember learning Tommy Tucker's "Hi-Heel Sneakers" guitar stuff, note for note, before I had any idea of what a "blues scale" was. Each little squink and squank was like a score in and of itself. In time I realized it wasn't etched in stone that way, at all. Given another take in the studio he would have come out with a whole new library of squanks and squeets. Jimmy Reed, same thing. Used to wonder WHAT in the world he was doing. Learning it was just the start, doing it a whole different thing. Keith Richards seems to have a sound that thrives on that - see what comes out and what can be done with it. How all of these players do it is fluid and flexible, even as they have a defined style and sound to do it with. B.B.'s sharp trill, Chuck Berry's double-stop riffs. Learning them all is just the beginning... :) There's always more! Love that Buchanan clip!

H Caribou- Speaking of sheep and shepherds, couple thoughts - Consider giving that idea another round of thought. That's not part of the primary duties of a pastor, or a "shepherd". Of the qualities Paul encourages Timothy and Titus to look for in pastors, "character" is one of the biggies. Basically Paul instructs to look for good people - honest, reasonable, straightforward, caring and loving individuals who have proven themselves to be of good character both inside the church and out. The responsibility for what you're describing falls to the pastors. If the shepherd gets lazy and doesn't follow what he knows to be true his flock will fall into disarray, prey to attacks and worse starve without pasture and become sick without protection from the elements. That's not to say that an individual doesn't need to be watchful, diligent and moving progressively in the right direction. Every individual has that responsiblity, however in the church we have a community that benefits from and to degrees requires care, instruction and direction. This can be viewed from several different angles in the bible - a family first and foremost. A community of members like a body with a "head". A flock with a shepherd. Those are three perspectives that are very familiar to bible fans and each has a structure of leadership, as it were. And each one is the same - God first, Christ His son over all, and each child within the family a unique and loved member. A family with absent parents is like a body without a head, and like a flock without a shepherd. Each of those responsiblities is taken and accounted for in the church. The Father is with us, His son is given charge of the body of the church and the flock is brought home and fully accounted for by that same Son. The primary responsibility of a shepherd is care - providing food, shelter, water and protection. It's pretty common to try and do that by drilling into people's heads and trying to "encourage" them to think and act right. That's probably going to help some people sometimes, but overall it's counter-productive for a "pastor" to get in the way of a person and their relationship of free will and love with their Father. Jesus said His sheep would know His voice. It reminds me of when I was a kid - many years ago. Come dinner time the Dad's and Mom's in the neighborhood would call their kids home for dinner. I knew my Mom's voice, my Dad's whistle. I never ended up at someone else's table. When the calls came, we all went running to the right place. Usually. :)

You are! So - what are you playing, guitar wise? Interests, favorite music, play-uhs, et certerata? A la, can you interpret? I had no idea what he's singing but I could hear some French stuff in there, and it sounded friendly. But - even for YouTube, I thought this young lad's performance was somewhere between an 8 and a 9 on the Unusually Interesting scale. The clapping, as if he's listening to a different song, the hair. The whole thing just seemed ... different. So what's he singing about? hopefully it's not "die, you @#$%#! booger heads....you tu-u-ube will eat your chins! youuuuu tube...." :biglaugh:

Oh now hold on to your toys, A la. I'm getting back into the postings a couple pages back, and catching up. On the down side of some bad-boy stomach cha-cha. Love the link, and have to compliment your taste! Yah, good advice Michael B and welcome! Overall, buy the best you can afford, as waysider put it so well, is my advice too. Right now I may have a line to a great deal on a Les Paul Studio. If I can get it, I'll post a pic. Just bought "Thesaurus Of Scales And Melodic Patterns" by Nicolas Slonimsky on Amazon.com. Looking to work some more on that this year. First guitar I learned on was a loaner Silvertone flat top acoustic, sunburst. Nice guitar, in it's day, low cost. First owned guitar was a Kay single pickup single cutaway semi-electric. Horrible guitar in it's day, unless properly set up and I only got to that about the time the neck popped off. My Dad had it fixed in the wood shop at the company he worked for, and I ended up playing it for maybe 3 years total. Still and all I was able to learn a great deal on them, and they did their job. I think nearly any guitar that had a stable neck and fretboard, accurately laid out and overall solid construction, can be worked on to be playable and produce a decent sound. New players suffer from learning on a badly setup instrument, where the strings are too high off the neck and have to be that way due to buzzes in a lower height. That's the biggie I think - because when you're first learning everything's in 'first position' and you're playing on the first 3-5 frets. If the actions way-high there, it's going to be hard to press the strings down, and it's hard enough when you're first learning. On a "first guitar" intonation can be a little tweezey, although that's not desirable, as long as the first 5 frets worth of neck will play in tune. Thats where you're working most. Which is all economic survival - if the best you can get is a funky used guitar that won't play in tune above the 5th fret, that's what ya got, y'know? But with determination, it can be handled, with a little nursing and care. It makes the Martin or Gibson or Epiphone or whatever that much more wonderful when it comes. If you love playing by that time and you probably will, you'll never forget that first 'good' guitar you have. It will come to mean the world to you. Ibanez and Yamaha both make production line acoustic steel string guitars that are very playable and sound good. The Yamaha FG750S I posted awhile back about that I got my daughter is holding up very well. She's got electrics and this was to be an all around acoustic to have around the house. It's really more than that, with a great sound, full with nice range of highs and lows, not "boomy". They run about 250.00 retail and we got a deal with the hardshell case for 300 bucks even. Can't beat it! I confess I do enjoy playing it when I do just knowing her music is running through it. Found some new Tommy Emmanuel - Very simple melodic song, poignant and full of sweet little surprises, typical of his arranging and style. I love this tune and the way he grabs at the notes sometimes, embraces them as if they were dear little loved children. He's so respectful of his music, so absorbed and enthusiastic. I hope you all enjoy it. Chatty, if you're on, I hope you give it a listen. And if you all like it there's another performance of it right here, too.

I just wanted to be the 2,171st poster. Here come the "terrible two's"!! For this occasion I searched high and low, and far left and far right for the perfect card. Once again, Youtube was there for me, and in a way, for us. I discovered this talented young fellow doing - well, The Video Says It Best.

That's about where I'm at, Dot It reminds me of the stor-ee in 2 Samuel 11, David and all of that. Verse 27 - And when the mourning was past, David sent and fetched her to his house, and she became his wife, and bare him a son. But the thing that David had done displeased the LORD. David was a hotshot, for sure. And he did all of what he did with Uriah, his armies and Bethsheba, the whole story and then he wrapped it up in a nice tight red bow. But -insert the sound of a lone sheep bleeting in sorrow off in the night somewhere as David blows out the last candle and goes to bed - ...the thing that David had done displeased the LORD. David's repentance was deep and personal when confronted with what he already knew was wrong but had allowed himself. What David rendered to himself and his country was horrible - people died, David had a child die. But David repented, was "sorry". Forgiveness wasn't assumed. David didn't say "yeah, well...it won't happen again". He worked to make his life right again. Like What the Hey said - forgiveness isn't a license to sin. It's permission to learn and do better - mercy even when none is deserved, grace and help where and when we need it most. And while we were yet sinners. With God, to at least begin to ponder the enormity of what He's proposed - that through the life of another amends have been made. Amends have been made. Not ignored or forgotten. Accounted for. Christian's today can easily take the attitude that God through Christ forgave me my sins. I do stuff wrong, I'm human. That's why I needed a savior. There's no condemnation, y'know - it won't happen again. But it does happen again, if not this, then that. We are human. I think the bible gives a range of information that would allow a person to approach forgiveness to another in a realistic honest way that will bring balance into our lives in time if we work with it. Hardest of all may be to forgive ourselves. The fact that some things are harder to forgive than others shouldn't be a surprise or a hindrance to any of us. To forgive another in light of Christ's sacrifice is proabably one of the "heaviest" things I can think of. If He really did live, and die and do what the gospels rercord as part of some plan of God for all of humanity - to take any of the things we do and lay them there and say "this is why Christ died, so you and I could be forgiven for even this...". Whoa. We put ourselves right in the stream of eternity. That's involvement and accountablity. That's holy ground. What right do I have to presume such a thing? None. The New Life I can live is by the sacrifice of another. It leads the thoughtful person to consider - I think, what can I do better now? How can I respond in a way that would be equal to that? We can't, but we can do what we can do now. We can try, we can do better, as many times as it takes, as much as we can muster. If it's a struggle sometimes, it may be because it should be. If we didn't struggle with it, would we care? Would we be thinking?

Cool stuff! Well, as they say - here's some more... Looking at forgiveness from different sides helps to define it better, I think. Like the "being sorry" part. On the one hand a person might be sorry to God for something, and it be at very different levels, depending on the person and what it is. But the "repenting" is there, to God. It could be the same between people - a child could be sorry for disobeying their parents - period. And sorry for whatever it is they did to disobey. The parent might say - "I just want the best for you, I want things to go well for you no matter what it is you do". And they might then say "this thing will take some doing, but I love you, forgive you and we'll get 'er right!" Does God do the same? It seems so. Redepmtion in our lives is like a floor when it's swept. The floor might have dust, wood cuttings, wood chips, nails, bent screws, paper, all kinds of different things that represent different activities. One big broom comes along and sweeps them away. They don't become the same kind of debris to accomodate the sweeping, the sweeping catches them all. The sweeper says "now THAT'S a broom!" when it's done. The size of the forgivenss, the range, that God appears to propose with Jesus Christ the redeemer, is vast in it's capacity. That capacity - who has it? Can we? Do we? If so, where do the resources come from to even entertain such thoughts?