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Yeah, I guess that joke's played out. Now satori's posting videos the size of Chevy's on the Guitar thread. I'll see if I can find some uh...heavy music. Like the uh, Dire Straits video.

I'm still working on the instructions. Several tries now and My Tube ends up - well, I can't exactly....It just won't - I dunno. I'm not reading them right. For the time being, the Best of the 80's - I know he feels. (There - I was able to insert my Link okay. Not sure what the problem was, it's never happened before, really.) (Really)

The "pistis" seminar was roughed out at the Way Nash, with the 4th corps. Everybody breaking it down, book by book, looking up and reading and then reporting on every instance of pistis in the bible. It was an interesting study, probably bored a lot of us to tears, but I enjoyed it. I like to read, study, flip stuff this way and that, bring in other stuff. It's fun for some, not for others. But it ended up as an exercise in narrow-sightedess (is that a word?) ... as far as the practice of the techniques to do a word study and cross reference usages, that bears some work but a word study does not a theologian make. I dig word studies, they're good basic ways to read the bible for clarification. But the Way kind of turned people loose thinking that was the be-all end all. Do a word study, note the ways the word is used, list it's characteristic and voilah! You got a rightly divided word. Nothing could be further from the truth. A word study is a start and a part of study, but only a part. Going that route produces all the weird-foot (please not the accurate interpretation of the previous word was not "foot" but another word - "azz", if the z's were s's. Edited for accuracy...) interpretations the Way's come up with. Examining context alone can produce a list of things to do before you're ever ready to nail down a "meaning". Not to mention the volumes of work that's been done before that might have a LITTLE bearing on it. Not in the Way though, the Way makes Geniuses-in-a-Bottle, that don't need no stinkin' work done by others. They're idolaters anyway, right? <end of rant #4,234 - please turn this tape over now...>

That sounds, just...hmmm....Never mind. That sounds, just...hmmm.... Never mind.

Help is available. See the *LAW* of Believing thread of dmillers'.

Stick around... You're gonna get it!

Hmmm, interesting point there Loner. Top 10 Things to Believe For - Print and Tape to Your Mirror: The Outreach of God's Word. The Trustees. Those Who Serve and Lead God's Way peop's. Grab any "lift list" of any Wayfer worth their salt and those things will be at the top, if not the top 3, in the top 5. Outreach, Trustees, Leaders. Add a dash of Material Abundance and you're done shaving. One might say that who you are could be understood by what you pray for. What you're believing for. If the "Word" doesn't "move", you weren't believing. For it to move. Somewhere. Out...there. If the Trustees get a case of the rash one week, guess who's not doin' their due? If the Local Wayjadeen doesn't know his hiney from a steering wheel, buckle up for a bumpy meeting, he's fighting unbelief. Guess whose? Everything would be better if people would just believe. Believe. Why can't you just believe??? All anyone has to do to debunk the Believing Myth is look at that last 40 years of the Way. If that's where believing takes you - fuggeddaboudit. Of course as you said Lone, it's not their fault. It's yours. And yours. And mine. We, in our unbelief, out believed the Big Believers. Which I guess makes us the Bigger Believers. Our believing out believed theirs. In the Believing Wars, we trounced them and we didn't even have to believe. We just had to not believe! Incredible - by getting rid of all the naysayers a void of such magnitude was created that what was left got engulfed by the sheer nothingness of our not being there! Wow. This believing stuff - It's amazing!

Cool, ca-razee cool! Sleepwalk was, is one of the greats. Glad ya dig it! And Kotke is a great player. Leo at your wedding - that's some good music! It pret' near shocked me to see that clip of Santo and Johnny playing, a live cut! of the tune!

The law of believng - works for saint and sinner alike, in PFAL So regardless of what a person thinks about God, or Jesus Christ, the law of believing "works". Soooo, I guess "works" means getting whatever it is you want, what you "believe for". It's a mental thing in PFAL, but other non-Christian components figure in - taking some action, acting like you've "already got" what you're believing for, saying and speaking it into being. Non-Christian sources I've read describe similar ideas - bring an idea or thought into reality by the will, willing it into being. Make a place for it to come to you, like an icon or a physical rendering of some kind - statue, rabbits foot, that kind of thing. The Christian is taught to apply these "universal principles" as the fuel and vehicle for the "promises of God" to come into being. For a non-Christian to apply the law of believing in a fail-proof way all of the assumed advantages that a Christian would have can't apply. It stands to reason, the universal kind - they're not Christians so they wouldn't expect to do anything a Christian would. Mark 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith This is the one everyone learned in PFAL. Speak, say, don't doubt, believe, whatever you're focusing on will happen, no boud adoud it. Another possible interpretation - in Mark, Jesus had been at the Temple, confronting and generally raising hell with the money changers and those selling stuff in His "Father House", turning it into a religious 7-11. He had the deal with the fig tree, a tree with no fruit. They left the city for the night and returned the next day. They say the tree that Jesus has cursed withered up. When he was talking about "this mountain" He may have been speaking of the Temple itself and the fact that He'd already confronted and thrown out people he felt were desecrating it.Hey, take the whole thing and give it a good fling.Get rid of the iniquity and don't doubt you can do it - it's what God wants. It may also have been a reference to what was recorded in John 2 - when asked for a sign Jesus had answered that if they "destroyed this temple" He would raise it up in 3 days. They took that to mean the Temple building but he was referring to Himself. "With God all things are possible". But are they probable? What does God want? What's a "mountain" to God, if He's involved with all of this? Most sermons flog the image of Jesus speaking to His disciples and pointing to mountains and saying "this mountain, that one over there", you can do anything if you don't doubt. Translating that into a "law of believing" is suspect. Jesus never taught those things in a context outside of faith in God. The context of the events in Mark isn't of Jesus trying to get His followers to develop positive mind pictures. I'm all for "positive thinking" and having a generally positive outlook on what I do and how I live. That's a product of a lot of things, not an application of a principle. The positivity comes from something else, not of itself. So to speak. Positivity-wise. That's my opinion anyway. None of the other Believers-Classic verses stand up to defining a law of believing either, that I can see. People will say they prayed and believed and something good happened just like PFAL teaches, so it's true for them. IMO, it's not true for them, they're fooling themselves. Factor in the number of times that the believing doesn't produce the desired results on schedule and the "law" will have to be redefined to include other factors and components. So it's definitely not a squinch and believe and receive law. I do pray, I do expect good to happen. I just don't always drag God into every little thing I get a bee in my bonnet about. Give to Caesar the things that are Caesars, and the things that are God's, give to Him. It's simple.

T-Bone, I'm with you on the Reunion audio. It was great to see them together again, but overall it lacked clarity, at least on the televised version I watched. Claptons' tone is so identifiable, yet it seemed manufactured rather than produced by the natural dynamics of the guitar, technique and of course, volume. That early clip shows the bite that he got in his bluesy legato style, the little hammer-offs and ons. The Hendrix style octaves he starts the solo out with sre cool - the first 8 notes of the solo quote the opening line from the song "Blue Moon" - "Blue moon, you saw me standing alone" - although I've never seen it written about, it's the same notes. I remember the first time I heard it I wondered if he did it deliberately as a ref' to the Blues, or if it was to the song being titled "Sunshine" of your love. Or if it was just a cool riff. Speaking of early guitar recordings - some other guitar stuff found on the YouToob - Holy music, if ever there was: Santo and Johnny - "Sleepwalk" - 1959 Two Disciples of Sound do it again - Kotke and Atkins

Another note, enjoy - The Cat does it - can I make this my theme song? - love this tune and it's smooth grind. Bobby Caldwell

Well, thank ya! I hired them for the photo. Speaking of stellar things - here's some vintage stuff - The Furry Freak Brothers plus one, - "Sunshine of Your Love" The SG Clapton's playing is the "true" Cream tone, IMO. Prior to that I think he played a Les Paul with John Mayall.

Some early Eric Clapton - Chatty will like this one, for sure.

Thanks Chatty and T-Bone. We're just a happy bunch. Everyday Sunshine definitely has that Sly Stone sound. Kendall Jones was the original guitarist and did some funky rhythm stuff. I love the way the bass drops down into the sub-strata on the section between chorus and verse and then goes right back to the groove in the verse. Interestingly, Jones joined - I think it was the Children of God back in the 90's, if I remember right his Father was a member. Somewhere along the way after that he was reported in a news story running around the streets of L.A. yelling about the Apocalypse coming, waving a gun. John Norwood, the bass player, tried to get him back with the band by tying him up and "kidnapping" him, sort of a Ska-Intervention, I guess. Interesting band. They've influenced a lot of bands, notably No Doubt who sounded a lot like them when they were first out and credit their influence. In the same way Fishbone drew from George Clinton's Funkadelics and Parliament and Sly Stone, etc. etc. Wooten - what can ya say?

Hi imsunny2 - interesting thoughts. Labels - we have enough of them to be sure. Christian, Trinitarian, Unitarian, Fundamentalist, Conservative Right-Wing- Buffalo-Wing. Q: How many Unitarians does it take to screw in a lightbulb? A: 3. God has a sense of humor! -equal time- Q: How many Trinitarians does it take to screw in a lightbulb? A: was it manufactured post or pre-Vatican ll ? Oh, I'm cracking myself up. Danny, your question is innerstin'. Thomas Jefferson is one comes to mind who approached it that way. Didn't he view the gospels and the teachings of Jesus as the basis for a moral and ethical belief system? His own views on the "trinity" get quoted by Non-Trinni's, as he didn't "believe" in it, but he didn't believe in the God/Christ/Redeemer part of any of it. Taking what Jesus is recorded as saying and doing would be powerful, IMO. Some things bring up more questions, the parables for instance seem to beg for more clarification at times. There are single solid concepts that stand as is, "universal" ideas. Is it the gospel of Thomas that is a/one of a collection of the "sayings" of Jesus. Forget which now.

C-Kat ,that's The Girl, The Mom and The Boy. (and The Dad, not pictured) Some Victor Wooten, givin' the bass some

Hi imsunny2, glad to hear it! Progress is good! We should expect it. Several times in the last couple weeks the topic of the development of religions and religious philosophy has come up. Had a conversation on philosophy today - Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods. Empirical meaning a method of experiment, experience and observation. I'd say that Christianity as a whole recognizes what's in the Bible as revealed truth, information given by God, either in the records that state the information or in records where we see God's interaction directly being recorded. Most Christians also believe that the entire work of the Bible is a revealed collection, with purpose for what's there. So it's often studied as if it were written by one person in a single sitting, from beginning to end - ie "God is the author". For someone to shove the Bible in someone else's face and say "Believe it!" is a pretty ineffective way to encourage a person to "have faith". Many Christians believe that's the highest form of faith, to simply believe what someone else tells them the Bible says and means and then to just believe it. IMO, a lot of people then wrap their own experience around what they think or have been told the Bible says and validate it, explain it, make it "true" through emperical methods - ending up with activities and results that prove something that wasn't understood to begin with. It's the old - "People used to believe the earth was flat" thing. What they did proved it, as they understood it. But that's been proven wrong. Sort of, I guess it could be argued that the earth is flat when you're walking on it, allowing for some ups and downs here and there. So while the perspective might be perfectly true to the person doing the walking who says "it's flat", if you were the earth you'd say "I'm round". When I read the Bible I've asked myself that kind of question so many times - am I understanding what I read based on what I expect or want it to say, or am I allowing it to speak for itself? Easter, and the resurrection really are where the rubber meets the road in this line of thinking. Christ being "raised from the dead" after 3 days was an event completely outside human involvment. No one expected it or was waiting anxiously at the gravesite to see Jesus on that morning. Mary was there mourning His passing. When she ran back to tell others what she'd seen she said "I've seen the Lord!" I can imagine her feelings and the reactions of the others that heard that. To believe it or not to believe it? Those who did believed it because they saw Him finally. Later and now - others believe this happened too, not having seen Him face to face. Yet when a person chooses to look at that information they are putting themselves in the same place that those people were. Everything says He's dead, and now we might also think, if He ever lived at all. Logic says He can't be. If we're to proceed forward at all He has to be alive, He has to show Himself to those who are there whether they're looking for a dead man or a living one. Either He is or He isn't - at that point it becomes something that my expectation can't produce - God and Christ have to do their part. They have to speak for themselves. Arriving at that point solely through faith is an interesting proposition but it doesn't produce a living Savior. My "faith" doesn't do it, regardless of how much some people might admire that approach. God and Christ have to be "real" for faith to be rewarded. I think it's the same whether it's reason or faith that brings us to that point - the next phase is still the same. I love it when what you're saying happens. The best we can do is go with it, proceed, move forward. Enjoy. :)

Happy Easter Guitaristos and Guitaristas! The Fam sends their love. Let chocolate bunny love and Peeps abound!

I feel the same way about Bruce, T-Bone. I like that sound you describe and the role of the bass. It can do so much as both a solo and band instrument. Jack Bruce played a unique part as he came up in Cream. Will Lee - oh yeah! The Man. He's great I think. I read a piece about him awhile back, he plays with a few others in a Beatles band, one that does killer versions of classic Beatles tunes. Would love to see and hear them! Glad that helps, Chatty. That's a very cool video. I'm still trying to wrap my brain around how the end video is produced, but it looks ca-razee cool.

Great choices, on the bass players! I especially like Mark Egan. "Spirit River" has always been one of my favorite albums, although older. "Ocean Views" from the Mosaic CD. Flea's a fav - great funk stuff. Stu Hamm is another favorite of mine. Speaking of Egan's, Walter Egan's song "Magnet and Steel". Classic tune, and has a great bass sound on it. Can't find a copy of it around, but ever notice how every few years someone does a song in that style, "the Stroll", dating back to the '50's. I can't get past Jaco, still. Many great players since, but he had the Stuff. What about Jack Bruce, Cream? Is he as good as he thinks. ?

This is a much discussed video, the reverse effect, etc. Found these links. http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/reverse...-248345.php Reverse a mania! Very cool!

You're on my page! I love the water, ocean, and aquariums, in general. Monterey Aquarium is few hours south of us - incredible place. Both my wife and I love the ocean and things in it. I believe there's a few tankers here at GS. Tom S has some serious water, if I recollect right. I started with a 10 gallon tank a few years ago. Got a 36 gallon this last Christmas. Right now I have Tiger Barbs (3), and a Raphael catfish in the 10 gallon, and 4 Gold Severums, 2 Silver Dollars and a Chinese Algae Eater in the 36 gallon tank. The Severums and Dollars are getting big - they've gone from the 10 gallon tank, babies, to big boys and girls in the last few months since I moved them over. I'm looking at expanding within the next year. I've got the basics of a woodshop now and am working on plans for a base and stand - maybe a 75-100 gallon tank. Feeding is great fish time - love to watch them.

Figured, Chas. I couldn't remember if you'd posted on that before. Cool site! Aimee Mann! ChattyK - ask away! Answers not guaranteed.

Yah, I like Fastball. Good rock band. Harmoni Kelly they're bass player. - nice dancers. That site - Bassgirls - never seen it before. Have you Chas? But...the rest of the story...here.