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I'm an OLM!!! :)--> Tom, I've been diggin' the sea monkey's since childhood. On the back cover of the old DC comics, they'd have ads for these cool lookning "Sea Monkeys"! and I of course ordered them at one point. I got a little bottle of what looked like brown dandruff. Brine shrimp!! They turned out to be pretty cool. I too have grown them, off and on, to feed my tropical fish. They're pretty cool. I don't know the shelf life, but my impression is they remain dormant for years. Just add water. VOILA!!! Sea Dawgies! In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

Sweet! Sounds good. What kind of business are you in, if you don't mind me asking? If you've mentioned it and I missed it, apologies. Don't know much about any of the area, but sounds like it's a good opportunity for you. Norcal's a nice place, but it's getting more and more expensive to live here. We've got things locked down expense wise as much as we can but man, the real estate has sky rocketed over the last 10 -15 years. Guess it's that way everywhere though. In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

THIS El Monte? Looks like a nice area. Best wishes from an hour north of San Francisco. :)--> In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

ex10, my wifester wore that outfit. She looks GREAT in plaid, pleated skirts. :D--> Just can't get her to wear them anymore! (she'd whack me for saying that, I'm sure!) Incense, yup. I remember carrying that incense thingie up and down the aisles. Rather medieval, the pomp and ceremony. I don't miss any of it. But the churches are beautiful, if you get rid of the weird statues staring at you. Spooky! In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

Dot, this may be why Gibson made the movie- That reaction must have been exactly what His disciples felt at the time. It's all come to this? STOP!!! HE DOESN'T DESERVE THIS! Dunno. I keep hearing so many different reactions from people. I don't know if this is how Gibson intended it, but it's causing people to examine what they think about Jesus Christ. People that normally don't talk about going to church or their religion where I work are saying stuff like "but there's more to it than that". Interesting. In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

Yes, S' ter! :)--> When I read Gibson's a Catholic, it clicked for me. He's a member of a church that refutes the stands taken by Vatican ll, a papal council that met in 1962/63. (I think it spanned the end of 62 and in to 63) You can read some of the documents from it HERE, and click on Vatican II. I was 12 at the time, at the tail end of my Catholic education and was only marginally aware of the stir it caused. In high school, I was taught for two years by Catholic priests and brothers, and they discussed it in "religion" classes. Most of my teachers were pro everything that came of it, of course, it was "the Pope" talkin'. ex10, I do remember all of the years of having it drummed in us to "offer up" this pain, that problem. The nun who'd make us errant stoodents kneel next to her desk and pray the rosary for seemingly hours as penance. Suffering's good for the soul, boy! Pray! Offer it up! The stations of the Cross. I was an active alter boy for a couple years. That ceremony was a long one, moving up and down the aisles and stopping at each "station" depicted in our church along the walls, to recognize a different point of Christ's suffering. You can read an English version HERE. In the 50's and early 60's anyway, they were all in Latin though. I can still remember the church in the afternoon, sunlight streaming through the stained glass windows. Uh oh. Had a "catholic moment" there. :)--> Back to topic. In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

My daughter and some friends saw it a night ago. It made an impression on her. She said they all went out for coffee after and talked about it. They're late teens, 20 or so, that age. She described the theater audience. She said the movie ends with a scene - Raf, I won't quite spoil it, but we DO know how the story ends.... She said that little piece, after the whole movie, just knocked the whole audience back, like WHOA. She was expecting something, something different, but when it got there, it was still moving, maybe more than a big drawn out scene. She said her little group all had the same reaction. I guess Gibson crafted it in differently than might be expected. But she said "the ending" was almost ethereal by being so matter of fact and understated. -I wanted to add, that ending may be the "genius" of Gibson's movie. Because the resurrection was an event, real people, real stuff and as real as his death. Where is he, where'd you put him??? Looking for him and bang. He's not there and it all starts to come back, joy out of grief, presence out of loss. A transcendent moment if ever there was one. She's and her friends have seen some movies that are slasher types, like the remake of Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and it had a nasty effect on her. I actually had to show her on the internet that TCM didn't really happen, that it's a myth that's built up around the whole movie. Although The Passion had a powerful effect on her and her friends, she wasn't freaked out. Hers and the others reaction was much different. That really impressed me. In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor [This message was edited by socks on February 29, 2004 at 15:45.] [This message was edited by socks on February 29, 2004 at 15:46.]

Nice looking ride, Chas. I have that same processor speed in 2 Dell's I got around Christmas, one for me, one one my son got, both with 512k memory. He's heavy on gaming and music, runs like a clock for his stuff. I'm running some digital audio programs, Photoshop 6 abd 7, Dreamweaver MX, MSSQL server and SQL and Access database app's. Scanner and digital photo uploads. I'm very happy with the results. (you probably already know this, but if you use Photoshop, I've found it helps a LOT to set Preferences and designate the amount of RAM you want to use. I think it defaults to 50%, which usually works good but when I'm doing a lot of image work, I'll crank it up to 60% and I always start Photoshop first so it can get what it needs.) Flat screens - great space savers. I have one, and it cleaned up the desk immediately. The larger hard drives, non-partitioned, are good. One C drive is perfect. Just remember to run XP's defrag program regularly to keep things in order and it will keep your speed up. I do it weekly. These last two are Dell's and I'm very pleased. I've already added an additional CD burner, and a wireless network and they're very easy to do upgrades to. I got Linksys Wireless 2.4 router and receiver and the setup was fast, and so far have been dependable. Cheap too, after rebates the whole setup for two PC's ran about 125 bucks. In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

Well, thanks Tom, likewise. And that would be nice. ;)--> The rusted chains of prison moons Are shattered by the sun. I walk a road, horizons change The tournament's begun. The purple piper plays his tune, The choir softly sing; Three lullabies in an ancient tongue, For the court of the crimson king. ;)--> In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

:)--> Jesus Christ - The Window Cleaner. :)--> In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

My new login name! I hear ya. He might have been getting tired of kicking my butt, so He just gave it one last good one. :)--> To be perfectly honest what began my planned exit was mistreatment of my wife - a deliberate, prideful and malicious attempt to belittle and hurt her. And she was hurt by the incident, face to face with people we once considered friends - "leaders" in the Way. You could say I got a little peeved. Words were exchanged. And that was that. It was the last time we ever went to New Knoxville. After that I started a full time job with a new company, worked my *** off to get a promotion and in 3 months did, leading to a move. The first step out. We started over in a new community with a twig and I began to decompress my way out of the Way. My wife forgave. I did too, but committed to working my way out of mental and spiritual dependency on the Way for both of us. About 3 years later POP hit the ministry, but it was like a flat tire finally peeling off it's hub. It only showed openly, finally, how destitute the Way was. Between Geer and the Trustees, they all got what they earned. God does make a way when there seems to be no way. They had each other for breakfast. ***Edited to keep it clean*** :D--> In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor [This message was edited by socks on February 26, 2004 at 1:39.]

I don't know, waterbuffalo. Some things make me think yes, other things no. Check it out: Romans 7: 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? {the body…: or, this body of death} 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. There's a lot of stuff before and after this section. There's a contrast here being drawn - the law of sin which is in my members/flesh "fighting" the inward man delighting in the law of God and the mind (nous) serving the same. The absence of condemnation is to a person who in Christ walks after the spirit. Who basically "wins" the fight going on. Christ is the Head of the body, and we the members. Interesting comparison here, although it may not be one Paul made, or maybe so. (there's a lot of metaphors in all this, head, members, etc.) The head has the mind and makes the decisions and it's there that God is served. The members of the physical body, the "flesh", are where sin resides and the fight goes on against the law of God. When the head/mind wins the body "walks" after the spirit and there is no condemnation. Now I think about the body of Christ, the Head and the member of that body, us, members in particular made spiritually whole now. There's no "war" or fight going on in the head Christ. He serves God. He was sinless. We had sinful natures but no more when we come to the Head and continue to be directed by the head/mind, Christ. There's a reasonable case to be made here that when we allow the Head of the body to rule the members, sin is/was overcome by both redemption and action and the lack of condemnation in the church rules through grace and mercy. What say ye? Hard wired, perhaps, in the sense that we have the capacity to serve God with our minds and allow Christ to lead. We choose, and we have the "mind of Christ" to do that with. The two, mind and spirit, seem intertwined. Could be? --I'm not explaining myself well, sorry. Basically, it appears there's a similarity between Romans 7 and 8, and Ephesians 2-4. The mind/head and the members/body in both. AS the mind and physical body can be at odds, so Christ and His church can be at odds. But when the mind/Head/Christ lead, God is served. Happy. :)--> In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor [This message was edited by socks on February 25, 2004 at 23:42.]

Hmmmm, I dunno, ex. What does it say about spoons? ;)--> I try to use a large, heavy baseball bat myself. Gets the job done quickly and then you can go out and play baseball. Okay, not so funny joke. Uh oh! Stalkers! With spoons! :D--> (what's not to like...!) :D--> :D--> In general, I'm not in favor of using implements of wood, leather, steel or brick for discipling children. Adults are big people. Children are little people. Teenagers are big, little people. My son knows who I am, I'm the Dad, the Man, the One. Pop. If I slugged him, it would break his heart and rip his life in two. He'd never expect it and I'd never do it. We're lovers not fighters! :D--> In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

All kids are so different. Our own have been wonderful, I love them both very much, but they're very different. Both are sensitive and thoughtful but my son is more easy going, and he lets go of things easy. My daughter is more sensitive. I've had to learn to deal with them in different ways. I still remember very vividly when my daughter was about 3 or so, and she was a bundle of happy joyful energy, always bright and happy. I never spanked her, ever. Her mom did, lightly at times, very quick attention getter kind of correction. Never "hard" as in THIS IS GONNA HURT ME MORE THAN IT DOES YOU. She was with her all day, and I wasn't. Anyway, one day she was being disobedient about something and I knelt down and took her hand and said "NO!" and she started to take off. I held her hand and gave it a light smack and repeated "No sweetie!" She looked at me and turned 5 shades of red and her eyes got huge and for a second I thought she was going to wail. But she just teared up and the corners of her mouth went down and she said okay and stood there and quietly cried looking at me like..."You...hit me....". I very nearly cried myself. That's all it took and for her it was lot. Kids. Children are like windows of glass, panes of clear clean glass that the light shines through. Handled carefully the glass ages well. Handled roughly, it gets smudged and dirty and even cracked or broken. I so looked forward to the birth of my son first and then my daughter I was very aware of how I wanted to handle them. But, like all parents, I've made my mistakes. Every child deserves the best for no other reason than they just do. We all do. Discipline and correction are necessary things for children of course. They're all little balls of foolish undirected energy. My part would be to say "gently, be gentle with the glass" and learn how that one special piece needs to be handled and do what's best for it. In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

Yikes! As for wooden spoons, to be honest, never used them and refused to support that approach. No one ever argued with us about it. My wife was involved with Way Children's fellowship for several years, and we never had any problems in our fellowhips with that. She tried to keep a close eye on how parents dealt with their kids. It's hard being a parent. Frustrating at times, and confusing at others. We found it best to try and be there for the parents and talk about stuff if they were at wits ends. I understood the logic of using an object rather than your hand, but I also saw it the other way. Hitting a child with an object just seemed medieval to me. Everyone going around with their wooden spoons sticking out of their back pockets. It just seemed rediculous. If that offends anyone who's found it successful and useful, sorry. Just my opinion. I know what the bible says about the rod of correction, and I'd use "it" very carefully if I was going to. Being prepped with something to whack a kid's hand or butt with just seems like you're to be expecting to use it. Wooden spoons work GREAT for stir frying vegatables though. In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

Love ya back. And actually, I've been good. I lied. ;)--> Honest. I've got a cool little book by George Mackie, a Scottish minister who lived in the middle east as a missionary, for many years. He has some exquisite things about shepherds. One is the close relationship that develops between sheep and shepherd. A flock learns to respond to him. Shepherds aren't weinies. They have to stand up to everything from wild animals to bandits who want to steal the flock and they often travel solo. When the rubber meets the road, the only thing between an attacker and the sheep is the shepherd and it doesn't sit well with the owner of the flock if he comes up short and loses any. The rod is used to guide the sheep and it's also a weapon against their enemies. If the shepherd dies on the field, it's usually alone and defending the flock. No shepherd who stays employed runs out on his flock. It's not an easy job, but they do it even to this day. Interestin'. In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

I've been a bad boy! ;)--> In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

So true. Galen, TWI may have been a fledgling at abuse. My wife says we left before they had a chance to be really mean to us. (she's a very forgiving woman) I say, we left before I had a chance to be really mean to them. But that's just me. It was better to walk away. In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

I'm sure that any praying for people to die, be "turned over to satan" or otherwise made in to unusable pork-product is done in private. In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

Aww, ex, you're a Good Mom. :)--> Kids need that. Adults too. In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

IMF, :D--> :D--> :D--> The devil IS in the details! and I do remember that OJ skit, johniam. classic. Look where it got HIM!!! Garth, anything I can do to get that monitor clean is my pleasure! Exxee, I bet you're right. I agree in general, IMF. I firmly believe there's a difference between the trust and faith taught about in the bible and the Magic of Believing. Believing is obviously the base level tool we use to do anything, be it eat Ho-Ho's or use the right amount of toilet paper at the right time. It's when we mix it up with "unleashing the power of GAWD" in our lives that honest sweat equity turns into Weird Science and we start to sound like the screen test for Dumb and Dumber that got turned down because it was too real. In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

This brings up an interesting question and it's serious, although it sounds not. Serious. When someone prays about a sports event, for the team of their choice to win, and the other to lose, does that fall under the same category as IMF is describing? Like the World Series. For someone to lose, it probably means their team is going to make some errors. Some pitcher's going to have his balls knocked out of the park. The seamed ones I mean. so somebody's got to lose. Really - then the pitcher gets dropped, loses his contract, heads for the minors 3 years later, turns into an abusive putz, wife leaves him, kids hate him, he becomes a drunk, and ends up in a flop house and one day gets hit by an Ice Cream Truck driven by a guy wearing a t-shirt bearing the name of the team he lost too in the Series and all of this happens before he can recover, write a book and have a talk show. Which adds serious insult to injury. If we pray that both teams play their 'best' but the bestest play be done by the team I support, is that right? Losing coach rants in locker room interview after the game, hits photographer, gets sued and ends up driving an Ice Cream truck, which he enjoys but the owner of the company has investments in the team he lost to and has all his vendors wear their T-Shirts. --> In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

The 3 Stooges Go to the Moon...a film classic!!! Humor, social commentary (man's greatest technological achievement in his own hands, run amok)...chaos, food fights, eye poking, ear pulling. Aaaaah. It had it all! :)--> What can I say? I like "Abba" too. What's not to like? Euro-babes in knee boots. Oh yeah, the guys, I think there were some guys doing something too, maybe. :P--> Nyuk nyuk nyuk! In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

Thanks backatya, Roy! ex10, he didn't do many of his better known songs. Some new stuff, other stuff. I don't know all his music that well. Opened with the Pretender. I like a lot of his rock-ier stuff, "Somebody's Baby", Running on Empty, World in Change. He didn't do much of that. His sound is so well developed with his style. It's like a combination of folk, rock and country. He had a couple great guitarists, one who really did some nice work that echoes David Lindley's lap steel stuff and a couple tunes where it sounded like he was referencing Roy Buchanan, sound for sound. Great player. Plus a backup female singer that was GREAT. She had one little solo spot at the end, my wife wanted to hear more of her. She really blended well with his voice. Overall, he was definitely doing a country-rock-alt sound that made me remember he was one of the guys who developed that whole sound and gathered musicians around him that made "it". :)--> He's aged well, although he looks like he could use a good night's sleep. :)--> Oh! The topic! I'm been trying to get going on 3 things in my personal study, this topic, the Return/End Times/Whatchacallit and morals and ethics in the bible. I've been reading Henri Bergsen's stuff for a few years and now kind of branching out. No plan, need one. :D--> But this idea of the gentile who does the law by conscience and Paul's comparison to the Jew who has the law but doesn't "do" it has me going on salvation in Jesus Christ. From a sort of mechanical view, salvation "fixes" one "problem", but how does it address others? How we think, act, decide, choose? Is there a natural inclination in the new nature to act and think a certain way? What effect does that have on me, my soul and personality? Is it entirely a matter of me choosing? The whole idea of the renewed mind seems to head that way. Another view I've read is sort of an "anti-renewed mind" (although not against personal choice) view, that the natural progression of a new life that starts with the new birth is to pursue God and Christ and that we actually have to "shut off" that impetus to ignore God. The spirit is constraining and compelling us one direction in other words and it's a deliberate and forced choice to NOT do that. But if we...go with the flow for want of a better phrase, we are led towards that "mind of Christ". Sounds vague, maybe on the topic. Dunno. I'm just thinking out loud. In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

Aaaaah. A CLASSIC! Is it a guy thing? Like the 3 Stooges? I love that movie. We're watching Austin City Limits here in an hour or so. Our local PBS is re-showing a Jackson Browne concert. LOVE ACL. Down your way! :D--> In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor