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"One can believe Jesus is a bastard child, an imposter, not the Messiah, totally reject him, and still be saved? Gee, that sure IS a departure from PFAL..." Oldies, the thoughts and opinions Jews have regarding who Jesus was vary greatly. Have you ever discussed this topic with any Jews? If so how many? Ever researched what the Jewish view is regarding Jesus? If so how thoroughly. While you are correct, many Jews do not believe Jesus was the Messiah, there are likewise many, many Jews who do believe he was a great Rabbi and see much value in his teachings.
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wow you guys are a tough crowd. It sounds to me like he thinks his marriage and his wife are far more important to him than money. Which is how it should be. If my significant other got mad at me for spending money in an attempt to repair or salvage our relationship, out of love for him, I'd have to rethink the relationship and what his priorities are.
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Yom Kippur is a very serious Holy day and the majority of the day is spent in fasting and lots of prayers. Then when the sun goes down - pig out!!!!!!!!!!! :)--> Another tradition, which is usually done a few days before Yom Kippur is to take pieces of bread and throw them to the ducks - each piece of bread represents a sin you committed in the past year. Also preceeding Yom Kippur you are to make apologies and amendments to those you've wronged in the past year. But in a sense Yom Kippur starts with Rosh Hashannah - the Jewish New Year. Also in the mix is Succot, a time to remember how the Jews lived in the desert when they had no homes. For Succot many people build a little shelter out of sticks and decorate it with special leaves. The more Orthodox will live in the Succot for a week - some will spend just one night in it, others will simply eat in it for a week or a night - depends on how observant one is. It is after these events that Yom Kippur occurs. The New Year and Succot sort of build up to the process of atonement.
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That is very interesting Oak. I had done some research on the history of Israel and Palestine but never came across that. I too thought it was wrong for the Palestinians to be kicked out of their homes - but what you've added gives it an entirely different perspective. Oh, and the Myth of the 6million bugged the hell out of me - I have family that was in Auschwizt (sp). But like a good little wafer I remained silent.
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Wafer Not, Yom Kippur is the time of atonement. Most practicing Jews (and even many non observant Jews) do something in recognition of this holiday - though the what will vary some from group to group. The Orthodox and Chassidics would follow the OT rituals the most precisely, followed by Conservatives. Then you have Reformed and Reconstructionists who view the rituals as symbolic and may stray from the traditions more. As there are a diversity of beliefs/doctrines within Christianity, so it is the same in Judaism. What binds the Jewish people together is not the doctrine but the tradition. It is knowing that every Friday night, Jews all over the world are lighing the Sabbath candles, even if the prayers they recite and the foods they eat differ - the candles bind us.
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(((Radar))) You do not owe me an apology. The sad thing is, I will likely never hear it from those that do. Here's the crazy thing, we had a region coordinator move here from Florida with quite a rep. I've heard a number of terrible stories and I don't discount them. But this same person and his wife were the two most supportive people I knew in TWI (at least in a leadership capacity) during my last five years in. They backed me up against my twig coordinators a number of times. Ironic eh?
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Being of Jewish decent, I read most of the book (boorrrring). I agree it is plausible - though I read somewhere the author later retracted his theory. My family is Jewish and comes from Russia, Poland, and Hungary. My grandmother claimed we stemmed from the tribe of Levi, though I've never seen anything to document this. I do know, there is a tribe (reuben? benjamin?) which carries a rare genetic disorder that is still prevelant today - which would seem to indicate the Jewish bloodline is alive, though certainly diluted. In either case, I see it as somewhat irrelevent because if you practice the Jewish religion, you consider yourself a Jew regardless of your bloodline. Additionally, I doubt Hilter would have bothered with genetic testing (were it available then) before sending someone off to a concentration camp. Likewise, those who hate/fear Jews today probably don't care whether or not their bloodline is pure.
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Shouldn't have said that Chuck, now you're in for it. ;)-->
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1 car garage in the back of the house facing the alley. Never parked in it - filled with bikes, exercise equipment, ect.
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1. Being reproved for showing up to a meeting five minutes early, instead of ten. 2. Being told to bring my children to fellowship then being reproved for bringing them (yes this really did happen). My ex husband and I were both opposed to bringing them, they were too young, but our fellowship coordinators insisted (even though they didn't make their own children stay up for fellowship). I was later publicly reproved by the limb coordinator for bringing them to fellowship meetings. 3. Same fellowship coordinators insisted we bring our children to the viewing of the Martin Luther movie so we wouldn't have to miss it (like we hadn't already seen it countless times). So we brought them and naturally at 1 and 3 they couldn't sit still through it - I didn't even try to make them. But I could see my ex fuming because I refused to use the spoon and make them sit still through a 2 hour movie that meant nothing to them. I knew I was going to catch hell when I got home, so in an effort to circumvent that, I once again approached my fellowship coordinator about NOT bringing them in the future. The result was that hereproved me for bringing them to the movie. He yelled at me and swore at me in front of everyone. When it was over a number of people approached me and told me how they knew I only brought the kids cause FC told me too - but all of them were to chicken .... to say anything to him to that effect. 4. Being reproved for calling the branch coordinator when my husband started in on me, after being told by the branch coordinator I was to call him if he started in on me again. 5. Being told I could not go stay with my friend at the hospital while here little girl had a bone graft to repair her broken neck. I was told she no longer fellowshipped in our area (though she was still with TWI) and the people in her area would take care of her (she had only moved there a couple of weeks before the surgery and didn't really know anyone yet). I climbed his head and went to the region coordinator who actually (gasp) backed me up on going. 6. Being told I was to smack my two year old son with a spoon for not sitting still during fellowship (another one which I just couldn't do - I used to take him out of the room and hit my own leg so they would think I was doing it).
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A proPFAL Thread - General Comments
Abigail replied to Mike's topic in Doctrinal: Exploring the Bible
"How is getting along with people ever going to help defeat death?" How does studying PFAL defeat death, Mike? We will all face death one day, unless the return comes first, no? "Closing our eyes to the adversary will not limit his power. Jesus took him on full face and was the victor." Living in fear of the adversary limits God and closes our eyes to life, Mike. I don't "close my eyes to the adversary", I simply don't fear him. -
A proPFAL Thread - General Comments
Abigail replied to Mike's topic in Doctrinal: Exploring the Bible
"If you were to only study the ancient scriptures, you'd still be taking the word of the copyists, the compilers, the and the translators, as well as your own word to bring it forth into modern understanding. " Which is why one has to rely on God to make it jell for them. Even then, we will only know in part. "I bet my life on God having selected vpw as His spokesman and putting His revelations into written form. I make PFAL my own by studying it. I am not taking vpw's word for it in the long run IF, IF, IF vpw is God's spokesman." That's a big IF, Mike. Especially when one considers some of the "activities" the man has chosen to partake in. I know atheist with better morals and greater self control. "If he is not God's spokesman, then who is? the KJV translators and versionators? You? Do you take your word for it as you pick and choose among translations, versions, and as you pick various Bible scholars who help you with a difficult verse or two or a thousand?" How about holy spirit? "Do you take your word for it as you pick and choose among translations, versions, and as you pick various Bible scholars who help you with a difficult verse or two or a thousand?" Yes, I do. To me, very little of this is really that complicated. It was when I was younger and trying to make sense of life - sure. But as I get older and wiser, it really makes little difference to me where the comma is placed. Its just a matter of living simply and kindly with healthy boundaries in place. "God can pretty well only draw these kinds of people. " Gee, you sure do limit God. -
A proPFAL Thread - General Comments
Abigail replied to Mike's topic in Doctrinal: Exploring the Bible
Mike, If you were to witness to someone who had never heard of TWI, VPW, or PFAL, would you take them to the PFAL book or the Bible? why? -
Just a couple quick comments: From Rosie: ""The purpose of Biblical research is to establish, develop, or discover information so that others may be taught and benefited by the instruction." Seems to imply that the individual doing the research shouldn't expect much in return for themselves - they are simply to give. I'm all for giving, but a healthy individual sets boundaries on giving and should expect to benefit also. From Harv, "They really showed us that the keys are already ours and that we have the materials in our ministry storehouse to each be very successful at working God’s Word." implies one has to have the ministry and their materials in order to do good Biblical research. and Romans, Well, it seems that they have done an awful lot of teachings on abundant sharing this past year.
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How is it you got to the message board, Pat? You are the 2nd person who has indicated the board was back up, but I still get the under construction message.
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I think it has stopped, but its too dark for me to be sure. I'm guessing we got about a 1.5'. I hope it gets warm enough tomorrow for the snow to pack. :)-->
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I don't know if this should go here or in the 10 things you don't know about me thread but I am friends with the guy who came up with the "Noid" - Rottie reminded me of it. :)-->
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Oh, btw - came home from the grocery store and 1000Names had made pumpkin bread - man did the house smell good!!!! It was the perfect touch too - kids went out and played in the snow then came in for hot cocoa and fresh pumpkin bread. :)-->
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Rottie, ROFLOL - they must have moved to the upper penninsula where I grew up. Up there we didn't measure the snow by inches, we measured it by feet. Every so many years someone goes wacko and kills their spouse. Once, we were awakened in the middle of the night to the sounds of "EVERYONE COME OUT WITH YOUR HANDS UP". My brother freaked (probably thought he was gonna get busted for having pot in the house LOL). Turns out they were across the highway. The husband killed his wife then walked off into the woods and killed himself. I know it is not funny and I shouldn't make fun of it - but it was just the way life was up there.
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"I have a thing about having "My Space" not violated and it is hard to feel the love when someone doesn't allow me "My space"" Exactly! This isn't an issue of waybrain or doctrine which taught us to despise our neighbors. In fact, I spent most of my way years in the same house and got along great with the neighbors there. This neighborhood is just so foreign to me, the way people are here. The people just aren't particularly friendly or civil. Two stories illustrating perfect irony. . . When I first moved into this house, none of the neighbors bothered introducing themselves, so I took it upon myself to introduce myself to them. Even organized a cook-out so we could get to know each other. The neighbor to my north told me in no uncertain terms she doesn't like to get to know the neighbors because then they are always bugging her to borrow stuff. This is the same woman who is now always bugging me to borrow stuff and whose children I give rides to all the time! Ha! In the last house I lived in, my most obnoxious neighbor wasn't nearly as bad as the people here. She was always sending her daughter down to play but would never let my kids play at her house. I think in the 8 yeas I lived there, my kids were invited to her house twice. After we moved out, a family moved in across the street with a little girl. My old neighbor complained to me that they are always sending their daughter to her house to play but never invite her daughter to their house. I had to work really hard to not laugh when she said that. PMosh and Belle, your neighbor stories really take the cake over mine!!!
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We have a huskie and let me tell you, she is one happy dog today! Even our little pest is having a blast - he's a riot too cause the snow is deeper than he is tall.
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hehehe, Garth I have considered recording all three of my dogs playing and barking in the house and then placing a recorder on his front portch at full volume. :)-->
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Isn't this a contradiction? "It's my pleasure to share with you that in the 2004-2005 year, we'll have the privilege of uniting around the theme The Promised Land of the Prevailing Word: Building Biblical Understanding" and "We read the Scriptures, we work the research that has already been proven in our ministry publications, and thereby we increase in the knowledge of God's Word" I'm confused, are the scriptures now the ministry publications? This sounds right up Mike's alley ;)-->
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Another post of mine got me thinking about this. Describe your most obnoxious neighbor. Where I am living now, most of my neighbors don't speak to each other. This is very foreign to me after spending 8 years in the last house, where we all knew each other. But after almost a year in this house, I now understand why no one is friendly. I have come to know two neighbors and have had interactions of some kind or another with three altogether. 1. The house on the southside of me is occupied by a couple who fight and curse worse than a pair of sailors. On Halloween, she was on the front portch, he was across the street. They were yelling and swearing at each other while tons of kids were walking between them trying to trick or treat. Plus, if you have the misfortune of running into him he will talk your ear off about anything and everything. There is nothing he he doesn't know everything about. 2. The people in the house on the north side of me actually seemed promising at first. Friendly, but not overly so. However, now that they are comfortable with me its constant need, need, need. Her husband left her and her car doesnt run so I take her kids to school every day - this I really don't mind cause I'm heading out anyway. But mom is constantly wanting to borrow my clothes and is not always very prompt about returning them. One daugher in particular, wants rides to and from all of her extracurricular events, which wouldn't be bad if she'd ask me in advance, but she tends to call me at the last minute right when I'm in the middle of dinner. Oh yeah, and mom keeps calling me and inviting me to various bars (I'm not a bar person for the most part). This too wouldn't be so horrible, except I know the only reason she is asking is because she needs a ride, not because she enjoys my company. I'd prefer it if she would simply call me and ask me if I'd give her a ride instead of pretending she actually wants me to hang out with her. 3. There is a guy across the street whom I've never actually met, though he has left a few notes on my door. If the dogs bark for more than two minutes, he will either leave a note or call animal control. I am not kidding - last week he left a note on my next door neighbor's door complaining about her dog. I was home all day on this particular day and never heard her dog bark once - yet he is across the street and he heard it????? From what I hear - he has caused a number of neighbors to have to get rid of their dogs (if you get three complaints in a year you can face 90 days in jail or a $500 fine). Even the people who work for animal control can't stand him. I'm not getting rid of mine - I decided I will start documenting the complaints and what really happened with the dogs. The last time animal control came out to my house, they said that the complaint alleged that my dog was out from 11 am until 7 pm barking - a flat out lie. It would be the very rare and unusual circumstance that I would leave this particular dog out for more than five minutes in the winter time. But what really ....es me off, besides the lying, is that the guy is too chicken dang to just come speak to me face to face. Won't even answer his door if I try to go speak with him!
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Rottie - that's what snow blowers are for!!!! Actually, call me insane, but I used to enjoy shovelling the snow, when we lived in our old house anyway. It was on the end of a 1 block dead end street. When we'd get a decent accumulation all of us (neighbors and kids) would go out and work on it together, it was a blast after being cooped up inside and not seeing each other for days or weeks. This house is a little different, I don't particularly like any of my neighbors. They are at best obnoxious and/or overly needed. One in particular - well if I shovelled snow near his house I'd be inclined to clear it off the road and put it all on his sidewalks. BUT I refuse to let that stop me from enjoying this while it lasts. Beats the hell out of plain old cold and ugly.