Abigail

Ask Insurgent or Waywardwafer how much they have changed. I have conversed with one of them. They want out but want to keep their families intact. Ask them what happens when one spouse leaves while the other is still in. Things haven't changed, they've just adjused their Rosie colored glasses a bit.

I do. It seemed to me they were of the opinion that if my ex and I simply had sex enough all of our marital problems would go away. Like everything else, they had it all backwards. Generally intamcy problems are simply a symptom of other martial difficulties. To every man his own truth and his own God within.

I'm in Michigan Dot. Clothing here seems to come in all colors and with spring coming, bright stuff will be in. I keep looking in my closet and all I see is brown and black with the occasional green and tan. Boy do I need to go shopping! I actually like wearing skirts to work, but not the business suites. Thankfully, the job I have now seems quazi casual (there are even a few people who wear jeans to work) so I can wear the more casual and comfortable skirts. I also like skirts because they allow me to mix and match more so that I can usually go two to three weeks without wearing the same outfit twice. I can't wear sleeveless dresses to work, the air conditioning in the summer freezes me. But I do wear them with a jacket over them so when I get back out into the heat I can take off the jacket. I noticed women going to work without stockings and wearing open toed shoes and sandals too. I must be getting old, I remember when that would have never been acceptable. I'm not complaining about the change though. Make-up? I'm not really into the designer stuff, to expensive. I buy Wet N Wild, inexpensive but it works well for me. To every man his own truth and his own God within.

Oh Ginger, how DARE you be human! ;)--> Personally, I think it stinks in a way, the clothes do not make a person more competent. But it is what it is and it's not a battle I care to fight. Plus, I like to look nice. I buy during the end of the season sales. Not trendy, fashionable and reliable. I make my own jewelrey, I find it relaxing and enjoyable. Plus when I get bored with something I can take it apart and make it into something new. To every man his own truth and his own God within.

Ginger, huh? I thought this was a fun and somewhat informative thread. I didn't realize anyone here was taking this stuff too seriously. As one who recently went back to work in an office after a number of years out, as I know at least one other poster in this thread has done, it is helpful to have some idea about this stuff. Fashion may mean nothing in the big picture of life. But if one is working in a professional setting, right or wrong, appearance can make or break a promotion, so it is helpful to have some basic understanding of what is and is not acceptable. To every man his own truth and his own God within.

Well I'm no fashion diva, (I pretty much just wear whatever I like and feel comfortable in,) though I do like to look nice and have to dress up for work. Anyway, what is wrong with brown and black together? Personally I happen to like that combination. As for handbags, if I had to buy a handbag to match every color of every pair of shoes I had I'd be in big trouble!!!! I love shoes, I think they often make or break an outfit. But I have one purse. It is black and very small. Then I have a black briefcase that my purse fits nicely into. This way when I go to work, I can carry my purse, organizer/calander, and anything else I need in one bag. But if I just need to run to the store or something, I simply pull out my purse and go without having to lug everything with me. OH, and the solid color thing is true. As is avoiding horizontal stripes if you are plump. Personally, I think trying to keep up with current trends gets ridiculously expensive. I tend to stick with the things that pretty much never go out of style and then add in one or two trendy items for when the occasion may call for them. For years I didn't have any money for clothes and I learned how to be very careful about my clothing budget. To every man his own truth and his own God within.

Ya know why Zix went overboard in his analogy? Cause there are a lot of people on this board who could probably give a rat's behind if Zix likes them or not. He could have used any one of them in his analogy or even better, not singled out an individual at all. BUT of all people he chose Excathedra. Probably not any kind of intentional harm meant, most likely just sort of not well thought out. Excathedra has got to be the kindest, most gentle and caring person I have ever come across on the internet, perhaps even in "face to face life". She is very sensitive, not only in her only feelings but in how she feels about and deals with others. She is extremely careful to try not to cause pain to others. It would have been a really really great thing if that kindness had been returned to her. Instead, she became another casualty of a stupid and profitless war. How many more casualties will there be before there is a cease fire? To every man his own truth and his own God within.

HAHA Bluz! You are so busted!!!! You've been reading Mike's threads and we all know it now!!! Tom, boy am I glad I never bought those Sea Monkeys when I was a kid. Two weeks, sheesh, I can get a gold fish to live longer than that. To every man his own truth and his own God within.

OM, the only "jist" I get from your answers is avoidance and denial. 20 years on the Indianna Campus. Where were the corps. children??? Indianna Campus. HQ sends him here and what does he tell me to do with my 2 year old child who finds it difficult to sit still and quiet during a borning fellowship which keeps him up past his bedtime? Is this good parenting advice? Godly? Is this how we teach chilren to "love God"? Where would a parent who lived for 20 years on the Indianna Campus (btw his kids were in jr. high and high school when he came here) learn such parenting skills? From whom? To every man his own truth and his own God within.

There are many of ways to discipline a child (which involves teaching them something, Chewster. One does not need to hit them with a wooden spoon to teach them. Personally, I prefer to use a consequence that suits the cause, i.e. a cause and effect system, as much as possible. My youngest was having trouble keeping his hands to himself earlier this week, he kept hitting other kids. The teacher got out a toothbrush and bucket of water. She told him it seemed he needed something to keep his hands busy and put him to work on a section of floor. I thought that was brilliant. :)--> To every man his own truth and his own God within.

OM, taking lessons from Mike? Dodge and distract but just never ever answer a direct question. For someone who seems to know so much about this topic and is so eager to share it with the rest of us, you sure seem afraid to answer a few very simple questions. To every man his own truth and his own God within.

Oldies, the teaching at the Rock of Ages was not about the "correct use" of the rod, it was about using it private. The entire topic of using the rod privately came up because a woman in TWI lost custody of her children for "using the rod". However, I suspect none of this means anything to you because I strongly suspect you think it is perfectly ok to beat a child with a spoon to the point of leaving bruises. Though I am still wondering what "mistake" a child could possibly make that warrants such a beating in order to prevent it from happening. BTW, did all of the beatings you got really prevent you from making "big mistakes" in your life? Not even a single one? To every man his own truth and his own God within.

BTW, you still haven't answered my question in the other thread. Can't face the truth? To every man his own truth and his own God within.

"You just won't understand that physical punishment could be a good thing if one learns something from it. I'd much rather suffer physical pain and teach me a valuable lesson than make a really REALLY big mistake later. " I can't help but wonder what mistake could be so big it warrants beating a child, leaving bruises, to prevent. People say things like, "don't do_________it will ruin your life." or "she got pregnant, her life is over". Bull! Some decisions may cause difficulties for us down the road, hell many do even when they are the right decision, that is life. But as long as your still alive, your life isn't ruined. If my son dropped out of high school, it is not a decision I would support and it is one which will lead to a rough road, at least for a time, but it doesn't ruin his life, his life isn't over. So what mistake is so big we should beat our children in order to prevent it? Life and death mistakes? Like what? Teaching a child not to run out into the street? There's a life or death mistake. You teach a child not to run out in the street by getting off your butt and supervising them while they are outside. And even then, they'll probably do it at least once or twice. Even if you beat them they will probably do it once or twice. But there are plenty of ways to teach this lesson without leaving bruises and by the time a child is five or so, they usually know better. Children too have survival instincts. So please Oldies man, explain to me what mistake is so "REALLY big" that you'd be beaten than make? To every man his own truth and his own God within.

Oldies, you didn't really answer my question, you sort of curved around it. I asked very direct point blank questions. I'll post them again for you in case you need another look....... "What is your take on a branch coordinator with two children who spent 20 years on the Indianna Campus telling a parent to give a two year old a good hard wack with a wooden spoon if he is not still and quiet during fellowship? What is your take on a twig coordinator who would tell a mother, the bruises left on her two year old by his father is "what it takes to get the child's attention?" Is it ok to leave bruises on a child by hitting him/her with a spoon?" If you can't answer them I'll be left with the assumption that you are afraid to look at them and answer them honestly. I can see no other reason why you wouldn't. To every man his own truth and his own God within.

Oldies, What is your take on a branch coordinator with two children who spent 20 years on the Indianna Campus telling a parent to give a two year old a good hard wack with a wooden spoon if he is not still and quiet during fellowship? What is your take on a twig coordinator who would tell a mother, the bruises left on her two year old by his father is "what it takes to get the child's attention?" Is it ok to leave bruises on a child by hitting him/her with a spoon? Is it reasonable to expect a two year old to sit still and quiet for an hour? Even when it is past his/her bed time? You want us to answer your question, how about answering some of ours? To every man his own truth and his own God within.

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Oy veh, Meshugginer, you got my attention. :)--> To every man his own truth and his own God within.

Oldies, I don't know why this is so difficult for you. Yes different things were taught in different areas. I had a branch coordinator who insisted I bring my toddlers to fellowship and a few months later was publicly reproved by a limb coordinator for doing what I had been told to do. I didn't want to bring my kids to fellowship, they were babies, toddlers, way too young to sit still that long or be out so late. My branch coordinator (who, btw, lived and worked on the Indianna Campus for 20 years) told me I was to bring them. He also told me if they were not still and quiet I was to take them out of the room and give them a good hard whack with a wooden spoon. I was expressly told this, there was nothing implied. When my ex started leaving bruises on my oldest son with that damned spoon I went to my twig coordinator about it. Her reply was sometimes that is what it takes to get a childs attention. So don't tell ME child abuse was not taught by LEADERSHIP. I lived it, I was there, my kids were there. YOU WERE NOT THERE! To every man his own truth and his own God within.

Just skip ahead to the sections on phase I, II and III. :)--> And see a doctor to have your lipids and uric acid tested before you start the diet. I haven't done that part and won't cause I don't have insurance. But I do know I have a triglyceride problem and the specialist I used to see used me in an example in one of his lectures because my improvement amazed him. I did what he said and cut out the carbs and other foods he told me to cut out and brought my levels down to almost normal. I have also lost weight doing this, but that wasn't the goal. To every man his own truth and his own God within.

Well I'm going to Atkin's route. My triglycerides have always been a problem - hereditary. That alone is enough to make me try it. People who've not read the book do not understand how they diet works. You are not cutting out all carbs for the rest of your life, you are retraining your body to metabolize food in a healthy manner. Then you add some of the carbs back in, but you stick to the healthy carbs from natural foods. As you add the healthy carbs back in you reduce the fat intake, thereby reaching a balanced diet. To every man his own truth and his own God within.

Why duck, CW? Is not the godess also a part of the holy spirit/god/whatever name you choose to use? Ever done any comparative studies on religion? Read any Joseph Campbell? If you do, you will be suprised to find there are numerous common themes throughout almost all religions, including a savior. It makes one realize how totally silly it is to let the few differences divide us so much when really we have so much in common. To every man his own truth and his own God within.

"You are comparing an essential element to a non-essential one. The essence of the union we call marriage is gender, specifically the ability, under normal circumstances, with no outside assistance, for the partners in such a union to procreate." The logic doesn't work for me Long Gone. There are many heterosexual couples who do not wish to have kids but still wish to marry. There are also many who cannot have kids the old fashioned way, but chose to either adopt or use another method to have children. Likewise there are homosexual couples who do not wish to have kids and there are homosexual couples who chose to either adopt or use another method to have kids. To every man his own truth and his own God within.

I've read a number of arguments which propose the idea that homosexuals seem to want "special treatment" by requesting the right to marry each other. Tne argument is homosexuals have the right to marry if they choose, just like everyone else, as long as they choose a partner of the opposite sex. Ok, let's replace homosexuals with race. Say bi-racial marriages were illegal, you are only allowed to marry people of the same race. Is this equality? Everyone can still get married, right? The only rule is you cannot marry someone of a different race. Nothing wrong with that is there? To every man his own truth and his own God within.

"No, this mayor wasn't just interpreting the Law incorrectly, which is a job that should be left to the Judicial branch of California government, he flat out broke the Law by handing out marriage certificates to Citizens who did not qualify un der California Law. " It actually raises a number of interesting points and questions. A few people here were very upset by the Mass. ruling because it in a sense, imposed a law upon other states instead of allowing each state to decide for themselves. But what about the residents of a city, within a state, who do not want the state to impose a law upon them? I know how the arrangments work, federal, state and city, no one needs to explain it to me. But the point is, we all at times have laws imposed upon us we don't like. Others would like to see more laws than those which currently exist. This is exactly why the federal government does attempt to have some uniformity within the legal system. Otherwise, we have exactly what is happening in California right now, a city rebelling against its own state. A form of civil disobedience. "Let's thumb our nose at the Law, do what we want, no matter how the Majority votes! " Awe come on Jonny, are you trying to convince me you've never thumbed your nose at the law? Never smoked a little weed? Drank a little beer before you were of age? Drove faster than the speed limit? BTW, civil disobedience is in large part what brought about equal rights for African Americans. Were they just thumbing their noses at the law? Would you have also told them to shove it where the sun don't shine? To every man his own truth and his own God within.