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Ditto that.

Chas That DOES sound annoying, I swear I hear frequency noises when certain electric things are on. There was a neurologist that got brain cancer and he said I swore it was cell phone use as all those micro whatevers go sailing into the phone - through your head or something. I dunno, seems like progress has its draw backs. Mark - Wow your poor wife! Shaz glad it isn't as bad, but to me any sound like that bugs the crap out of me.

I had ringing in the ear for awhile but when they cleared up a tooth infection on the other side of my mouth it went away. The nephew is being treated for the Lyme stuff, but I do not know what they are doing for him. Now, today a client came in and said his Dad has brain cancer and it started with dizzy spells and nausea, the vet looked at me and I him and with both said, "Really....?" Sorry about your tinnitus it is a horrible thing.

I also have trouble as a passanger in a car, not as bad as you, it is more when I am in the BACK SEAT! I cannot do trains or boats very well either. Ex wasn't I vomiting when we took the catamarane (do not feel like looking up spelling) to Catalina? Shel- My nephew is six he has lime disease.

Thanks all Pond, The vet for whom I work also gets this, and his Dad before him. He thinks he has meinere's disease. He can be fine, and reading a medical book then lift his head too quickly and unable to do surgery. He says it is little stones in the ear and when they get out of line it makes one feel like the room is spinning. There is a weird excercise one can do to get the little stones to float back down but the excercise will make one sick as well. I do know there are times if I am in a confined area I get a sick feeling and just thought it was claustrophbia. But somedays the nausea and the inability to feel stationary are too much. I also get/got migranes until someone here told me about Beta Carotene and that REALLY helped. I called the Doctor and was placed on a med that gets rid of nausea, and the adivert (something like that) and Niacinamide (it helps cholesteral but also helps spinning) It has made things tolerable not okay but I am able to function. Holding my head still is still the best. But in the shower I closed my eyes when the shampoo dripped in them, and the whole room spun like a professional drunk.

There are a few in my area as well, clos by. Thanks for the post

EX My mother-in-law has one eye and a glass one as she lost it in a childhood accident. Anyway, a side effect was cataracts. With one eye it was a dangerous risk. I sent here some cholestro Low (spelling) by Futerbiotucs but she was afrais her doctor might get mad. She did not take it, but stuck with Lipitor and now she is having trouble seeing -- so the Doctor pulled her off of it. DUH!

J- there were triggers I can put my finger on, like the movie Man of Fire -- and a ride at Knots berry farm in CA. I cannot watch THE SHIELD as it made me sick with shakey camera work -- like I was "at sea" or something. This time, I cannot seem to figure it out except the tooth thing as the root canal should not have feeling but it has been sensitive for over 2 years. Guess I will have it pulled

Anyone get this? Dramomine is not helping I am ten days sick-- I found a natural cure that would, well -- make one barf: home remedy for vertigo treatment Mix 7 to 8 almonds with 7 to 8 kernels of pumpkin seeds, 1 teaspoon poppy seeds and 3 tablespoon wheat. Soak in water overnight. Next morning, remove the outer skin of the almonds and grind everything together into a fine paste. Heat separately 2 teaspoon ghee and fry ½ teaspoon cloves. Add the paste to it along with some milk and boil the whole mixture. Sweeten with sugar and drink every day for a few days for vertigo relief. I swear it is due to a root canal I had done and yet still feel sensitivity on the tooth two years later, but I have had Vertigo from wild amusement rides and spinning movies such as "Man of Fire." Anyone know what to do?

Ww are looking for one, anyone know of any?

Happy birthday Alfkcat! From Alfadog

Thanks!

IMO, to many, they were looking for Jesus and in the midst of hell God looked on their searching hearts and gave them the loving “good Way” that I was also a part. It was a time when we did function in a branch as one body and we were there for one another. I credit God for the love he let my little heart see. But the closer I got to HQS the more I saw the love was missing. Weird. So, back in the day when Joe G-arini, Eddie F-sher and others prayed for people and prayers were answered – they were great times. Yet, unbeknownst to me, trouble was brewing the whole time I sang from the blue book. Imagine the shock, of going from a loving area into the heart of the ministry (HQS) and finding it to be dark, cold, and self-serving. It was shocking. Frankly, if someone told me of these “things” I would not have considered them to be truthful. But after years and years of people popping up all over with similar stories, I would have to be numb not to conclude that God was trying to set-me free from the WAY ministry and some how in that freedom get to know God better. What I had in the beginning of the Way was sweet. But now that I have been able to properly separate GOD from people who did dastardly deeds in his name, life is sweeter. The voice of God still whispers to me like pure water on a hot day and I have answers to prayer. In April 2005, long after I saw VP for what he was, after I continued to seek a Lord of love, God spoke to my heart and told me a man with whom I was once in love was sick and I may want to write him. I hemmed a bit as I thought what do I say? But I wrote him and told him I had a feeling he was sick and had cancer. I wrote him about “us” and it was cathartic for me and freeing for him. My point? God still communicates with me -- long after The Way. God loves us. And to let go of “the fableized good legend of VP” did not take God from me, but opened my eyes and my heart for even more. Calling a spade a spade is not a bad thing. God still works in my life. This is not a criticism nor an attack, just conversation. It seems to me, Jon- is saying pls don’t say things like we were all hurt, as he was not affected, in his manner of thinking. Rascal is speaking to those still sitting on the sidelines wondering what happened. Her audience is wide, but does not address the few people who want to believe all was well with The Way because they were only touched by good things. Praise God Jon, that you were protected like that, I do not know why I wasn’t. I did not want to see VP naked or have him ask me things that I found insulting. It comes up again & again, in people trying to “put things together” and it does help them. This is not about you Jon, but more about the people who are still blown away by a group that could sing about the love of Jesus and display the selfish, harmful ways that Jesus was against. I do not speak to have people be kind to me and say, “I am sorry for your pain.” I am in love with God and can call the devil the devil and his works his works and still love God. I am here for the pain that still encases others, and if visiting the history of that which has happened can do that, then I shall I am not here for those who think it was sweet and no trouble lay a brew, I am here for the person who lost everything, or who is confused or guilty over perhaps nothing that is their fault, I am here for that guy and his sister, or his mother, or his son and daughter. I believe that is the person to whom Rascal is speaking. But the bigger point being made here, is deliverance to people who have wondered about Rochelle and others and what happened in a Bible Ministry to have suicides. I think this conversation/thread has answered some haunting questions. So, it is not about you said that in a way that offends me, we can be bigger, see God heal people from the pain of loss. See them find some understanding, isn't that the loving thing to do? Instead of finding away to make all this healing about "offending" you. Whomever "you" may be.

Happy B-day Thanks for being a great guy!

oh my! "When I was 9, my father performed an exorcism on me because he thought I was possessed by the devil," says Sharon. "My father would have exorcisms at least four, five times a week in our living room. My brothers and I would hear everything that was going on. I felt the evil spirits were in my bedroom." The night of the alleged exorcism, Sharon's mother came upstairs to prepare her it. "I remember being terrified," she says, wiping her cheeks. "She took me by my hand down to my father, and he sat me down in one of the chairs down in the living room, and he started to pray ... My father believed that I was possessed with four different spirits: fear, murder, hate and lust. I remember during the exorcism, my father asked, 'What is your name?' I heard myself answer, 'I am lust' ... I felt that there was some unseen force." Now 26 years later, Sharon believes the alleged exorcism ruined her life. She got pregnant at 14. "My father called me a pig. I had my first son when I was 15. I got pregnant after that and I had my second son. When I was 18, I decided to rent an apartment. My father told me that nothing good was going to come out of it. I moved into my apartment and three days later there was a fire and I lost everything. I felt my father had cursed me." When Sharon's mother died of ovarian cancer, she felt responsible for it. "I always felt it was my fault because I brought sin into my family. It's caused me to feel like there's a little devil on my shoulder. As far as I'm concerned, this is the worst thing that somebody could ever do to a kid. I feel like a freak," she says, doubling over in tears. "Do you believe that you are possessed of demons?" Dr. Phil asks Sharon. "No." "Do you believe that you needed an exorcism at the age of 9?" "I probably did." "When you say that this has ruined your life, tell me what you mean?" Dr. Phil probes. "I've walked through life terrified." "Do you believe you're cursed?" Sharon ponders the question. "I believe that I am somewhat cursed, yes," she replies. She recounts for Dr. Phil how fearful she was of being brought down into the living room the night of the alleged exorcism. "I was terrified in my room. I was terrified of noises I heard. I was terrified all the time. It's no wonder I was. Listening to that every night. I just want to know if I'm supposed to have this follow me for the rest of my life. I've been insecure. I've been promiscuous and I feel like it all comes down to what happened to me when I was little." "If I were you, I would take whatever steps necessary to make sure that I was doing what I could at a mental, emotional adjustment level to not be controlled by those thoughts and those feelings," Dr. Phil advises. "What I hate is for people to take an external locus of control, which says, 'The destiny of my life — the outcome of my life, the quality of my life, the experience of it — is controlled by something else." Sharon says her alleged exorcism makes her grapple with her beliefs. "I'm asking myself constantly, 'Am I going to hell?' 'Is this the wrong thing to do?'" she says tearfully. "I'm talking opinion now. I don't talk about religion. I don't talk about politics and I don't like to drive people's opinions on social issues on this show," Dr. Phil declares. "I'm just going to tell you what I think and believe. I've been doing this for 30 years, and I'm looking you square in the eye, and I think you are a sweet spirit. My advice to you is to find a church home where you can be spiritually fed. And I think you should couple that with some diagnosis, some counseling [to determine] where you are mentally and emotionally ... Don't make a decision. Cover all your bets." "Do you believe that you are possessed of demons?" Dr. Phil asks Sharon. "No." "Do you believe that you needed an exorcism at the age of 9?" "I probably did." "When you say that this has ruined your life, tell me what you mean?" Dr. Phil probes. "I've walked through life terrified." "Do you believe you're cursed?" Sharon ponders the question. "I believe that I am somewhat cursed, yes," she replies. She recounts for Dr. Phil how fearful she was of being brought down into the living room the night of the alleged exorcism. "I was terrified in my room. I was terrified of noises I heard. I was terrified all the time. It's no wonder I was. Listening to that every night. I just want to know if I'm supposed to have this follow me for the rest of my life. I've been insecure. I've been promiscuous and I feel like it all comes down to what happened to me when I was little." "If I were you, I would take whatever steps necessary to make sure that I was doing what I could at a mental, emotional adjustment level to not be controlled by those thoughts and those feelings," Dr. Phil advises. "What I hate is for people to take an external locus of control, which says, 'The destiny of my life — the outcome of my life, the quality of my life, the experience of it — is controlled by something else." Sharon says her alleged exorcism makes her grapple with her beliefs. "I'm asking myself constantly, 'Am I going to hell?' 'Is this the wrong thing to do?'" she says tearfully. "I'm talking opinion now. I don't talk about religion. I don't talk about politics and I don't like to drive people's opinions on social issues on this show," Dr. Phil declares. "I'm just going to tell you what I think and believe. I've been doing this for 30 years, and I'm looking you square in the eye, and I think you are a sweet spirit. My advice to you is to find a church home where you can be spiritually fed. And I think you should couple that with some diagnosis, some counseling [to determine] where you are mentally and emotionally ... Don't make a decision. Cover all your bets." Thanks Bramble

Kirstie looks good!

A girl [delete] told a story at twig that night. She said Uncle Harry grabbed her and french kissed her with a big sloppy one. I was grossed out and alarmed and the Limb leaders wife kept saying, "He just wanting her to feel like a woman." I said, "how is an old man frenching her making the girl feel like a woman?" It would make me feel like mouth wash. There was this whole hub bub over Harry's intentions being pure and honorable and nobody addressed how damm inappropriate it was or how this poor young girl felt. Cover-up. That may have been my first clue. Top of the world Those that left were taken out of pictures and films also. I recall the tennis player's pic being removed when she left. I guess all our research papers are also gone.

MH I lost your email in an update, pls email me

[deleted] Wafernot Sounds like he was fishing and reading your face to see if he could continue....

I was at work with the TV on in the lobby. A girl said her Dad cast spirits out of her when she was 9. Dr. Phil said he was not going to go against anyone who believes in exorcism. He asked her, "Do you believe you were possessed?" She said, Yes, at the time I did Then I had to help with a dog. Came back she said she became sexually active at 13 and had a baby at 14 and blames the exorcism.... To me, if there was an exorcism it doesn't sound like it worked....

Did anyone see the Thursday show where a girl said her Dad castspirits out of her when she was nine and it screwed up her whole life?

Ex - no, I am not the one. White Dove - I really do wonder WHAT had them clashing ya know? Enough for her to leave and take a large portion of people with her. [snip]

Yeah, you had some guts to tell LCM that, but he melted your face with his athlete's of the spirit breath... (joke) I held Mrs. W's hand as she sobbed and sobbed using tissues and not speaking. She had come into the coach and I was there, fat old VP tried to "Get me" and I left. I went to see her and tell her, "Look I did not do anything. I do not participate in that stuff....." I told her I knew what she was going through and I understood.... etc. held her hand. She did not speak, but we had an understanding after that. I could call her, meet her and we had this silent "thing". PS I wrote VP a letter and told him I thought he was being deceived by spirits because of all the antics he was doing, I told him that I thought the BOD was trying to push him out and he needed to clean up his act and push back.... I said a bunch of things to him.... I was probably on the Geer hit list..... Hahaha or they were still waiting for me to kill myself.

? out of turn? I would really like Sunny to come on here and tell us what she knew and why she left. Hey... [edit]

When Sunny left the corps and took half of them with her-- What was her reason for leaving? Did she see the abuse of sex? Was it the breakdowns and suicides or did she just not like Craig? I never really knew why she left, heard some guesses but nothing solid.