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Sprawled out " it's not that i don't believe in God. i just don't believe in anything or anyone that wants to tell me they've got a special connection, the inside dope--AND that what God has "told" them applies to me." I DO understand, that is why I am not in the spin off crap. I forgot that "Also the land that she was on the land that headquarters is on , if I remember correctly, is the old Kipp Farm, HER land, Her birthright that VPW weaseled away from her." WOW

She is funny and sweet. :)

WOW that could of been us--

Curious why do you like Dyana? I hate her candyland hair and do not fig her voice that much. Lucas IS cool. Who do you think will win? I cannot see them picking a girl.

I left after the passing of the poo-poo was read, but had been retreating for about a year prior. What year was that?

def59 Try not to judge him, I do not know --but I recall Ralph at hq's I knew him from the early years and I would say "hello" and he would ignore me. Years later, I was like what the f? He told me he was told if he even spoke to the in-residence corps something would happen, I forget what he would be fired or the person he spoke with would be let go or something. We were in a crazy place. I do not know Donny but if he went through the same confusion the rest of us did then I understand. We were all twisted up in this thing where logic became distant. When I left TWI one of the most delivering things I heard was from Ralph who said, "This is AMERICA! We don't have to live like that. We can walk away. You can make decisions. It is a free country... etc." Then it dawned on me how much I really gave up my personal freedom to stay with TWI. Just watching TV on Tuesdays and Thursdays -- at first I almost closed the blinds as it felt like sin. If you liked Donny then LIKE him, who knows what he had to deal with. I don't.

Mark – WOW thank you! Okay we can kick some a s s next time! Spawled out - I understand, perhaps BG was a kook. But Looser VP stole that guy's class which was my point, I do understand your point as well. You know I love you. Re Abused women: There is all types of abuse and men can also be abused. You see Ex’s Mom was/is one of the classiest women I have ever met. She went through a hell I would not have survived and she did it as a Mom and remained an example of excellence. No, she did not travel with an entourage, her she had to fold her own sheets and come up with meals on a budget yet, there TRULY is not a finer woman alive than Mom Ex. I wish you could all know her. There is princess Diana afforded everything but it appears all she wanted was to be first in the heart of her husband and wanted to break from all the rules and regulations of her factious life. From what I saw of her I liked her. She was fighting the fact that there were live mines planted all over the world that remained from previous wars and she took up for the kids who had lost limb by walking on them. She walked the land herself in fighting this. She had all life had to offer and all she really wanted was sincere love. To her the palace was a prison. Mrs. W she may have been able to have someone else clean her home, she may have waved at the corps from the caddy and could afford to have her hair done, but her life was with a narcissistic sexual pervert, who had a temper, controlled the money, and did not seem to hold her in his heart. Living a lie is a hard way to go through a marriage. The roads to unhappiness are many. One thing Ex’s mother told me was that their generation did not “go home” if the marriage didn’t work.. My mother told me the same thing. The big saying was, “You made your bed now you can lie in it.” I think Mrs W. Was in a bad situation, her battle was overwhelming. Anyone out there ever been cheated on? How brave and powerful did you feel? If it happened 300 times? Where would she go in Ohio? Her whole world was all woven in with the Weirwille’s. Where could she hide? There were no programs then. When I left my violent first husband, frightening threatening man, there were no programs. Ex helped me to get out, when my EX called to lure me home she listened on the other end of the phone and would help me get off rather than listen to the lies, and her Mom took me in for the holidays and made me a Christmas. Plus Mrs. W probably thought God might hate her if she left, how many of you stayed in TWI because you thought God would no longer bless you if you left? I wish I could have been her hero and gotten her out of THAT marriage rather than wonder why she never rose up to become mine. Kelvar "I think she looked at her options, and chose the lesser of many (wierw)evils." Well, said Sun- "I probably would have made the same decision if I had been in her shoes." Me too!

Okay I hate that weird striped hair Dylanta or whatever. I so not like her voice or her I like Storm and Toby, Ryan did well this week. I still like Tommy Lee! http://rockstar.msn.com/

Dana You and John sound like a nice couple

Sounds nice, I work for a vet. We send welcome cards and sympathy cards.

I am not here to SELL these people, just a thought on how a class run by VPW could mean so much to us and VP was the antithesis of his public words. He was like a President reading a speech written by someone else. He told the WOW's to keep it in their pants but was flapping HIS at corps women. Heck, lets leave Bibleland and enter the realm of music, someone can sing a song and really deliver it and it maybe a stolen song. So, maybe the singer claiming it to be their own is a crap head, and maybe the writer is as well. Or maybe not, maybe the reason the song works so well is it came from the heart of the original writer. And just the song theft sucks. See it the way you want, we all do anyway.

I guess the way God spoke to him was God's business. I checked Leonard out and met some Wafers that went over there, I learned things I found to be good stuff. I am not here to convince you that God can speak in Old English or Ebonics to get someone's attention. You can think it is all crap, many here do. After all once bitten twice shy. It is understandable. I still believe in God and he still works in my life, I do not give any glory to MAN but recognize how some of the words of God got to me. I thank God for things that have happened to me. Miracles if you will. A 10th corps guy Tim Sullivan has a book out with a very comprehensive look at the Bible. It is not a veiled excuse for PFAL but it seemed to burn the chaff off for me so I could more clearly see the God I heard loved me. I still want that God in my life, despite the rancid people I have met along the way. But I understand how one would feel the way you do, completely understandable.

TWInot Perhaps, later we can have that discussion. Peace

Oh my We think it was West Nile after reading of it! http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/westnile/wnv_factsheet.htm HE was bitten by something on his arm which we THOUGHT was a spider, it very well may have been a mosquito. Turned to a large lumb, his lymph glands swelled terribly and they thought it was allergies and had to give him an epi-pen. Then, seizure, then illness that last a long time and he still feels poorly but better. This site really covers it. http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/westnile/wnv_factsheet.htm Thanks to all! And thanks about the tip on the West Nile! Lindy Like WOW!

Hi Mr. and Mrs. Oilfield medic -- love to both of you.

Twinot That was the painful running circle that dominating my inability to get mental deliverance. I was healed by what I learned in the class. I was hurt by the man who taught it. In years on here, we had a huge thing on BG Leonard and plagiarism. Every deliverance here has people sent to keep you in bondage by idiotic responses to uncovered truths. If you look into BG Leonard’s book and web site you will read things from his classes, which Weirwille took, used by VP almost verbatim as his own. Some argue the Bible and theology is NOT owned by anyone. However, even personal experiences were stolen. So, a preacher like BG could find the truths that were godly and able to set us free, a looser like VP could steal them and present them as his own, and the amazing words of God could survive all the human banter and manipulation to still reach you and still set you free, the insidious part is once set free, you/I have a total dedication to help others by serving them the bread of Life I found in the PFAL class. Unbeknownst to us the premise, the experience and the research we were reading were taking from another man. So, no wonder the words of the class were in conflict with the man who brought us the words of PFAL. The lines between being dedicate to God and the presenter of a class were blurred. A devilish successful plan. If you cannot stop the words of life from reaching people make sure it does not get past the boundaries of the man packaging it. Anyone have all the thread about BG Leonard? I know I typed some of his books’ stuff and it was a twin to VP’s. And others found even more and more similarities. That whole discussion is what shocked the crap out of me and ended the circular thinking… Word wolf – do you have it? I cannot find my Leonard books Maybe helpful, but I am looking for the prophesy Leonard got and the one VP claimed to get.... http://www.waychrist.com/BG%20V.%20VPW.htm The whole holy spirit -- Holy Spirit and other things VP claimed he found. helpful but again the GS thread REALLY helped me: http://www.equip.org/free/DW100.htm Here is BG and his wife's site -- eye opening, get a few books: http://www.ctcoftexas.com/index.html I think someone here typed in alot of his stuff for us to look at.

Wednesday, May 8, 2030 Not many of you will be left to mourn :)

Not to anyone directly, but an open question to whomever it may apply-- I think we were in a loose/loose However, why look at others and wonder why they were not your hero/heroine? Why not ask yourselves why YOU did not become that hero you were looking for?

If only....

This is long but I think it answers some questions. On this and many other threads still asking. If you are inclined, here goes: I think we all wish we could have been the hero or heroine that stopped the evil. There were many of us who tried to stop it. It was like that picture of the one Chinese guy standing in front of the long line of war tanks. I know I did confront VP and I was nervous, yet determined. However, unlike the Chinese man who experienced the power for a flicker, I did not stop anything. This was said in the thread “Did she ever help some of his victims? One stepped forward and said she arrived in time to interrupt vpw's moves on her, enabling her to contrive an exit. “ I was that person in the motor coach with a naked VP asking me “Do you swallow?” I was so sick to my stomach, shocked, puzzled and yet instantly aware that the corruption I was experiencing had its roots at the top. All my friends were at THE WAY. I had sold my huge home with four acres and a pond. Left family to serve God. My intentions were pure. And until I became involved with Corps grads who had intimate knowledge of VP, I saw only WONDERFUL things in TWI. Twig was powerful and healing, our area saw a lot of deliverance and I personally was delivered from much devilish oppression. In the early years, we would pray and not even consider that our prayers would not be answered. We saw many wonderful godly things. Because of the love of God I saw in our twig fellowships, my life was changed. And because of my love for God I had exciting times. IT was the early years, before the corruption of the corps trickled out on the field, that I am alive. I give the glory to God and not TWI. For some strange reason, God allowed a broken down vehicle with severe flaws be the vehicle of some wonderful Bible that saved my life. Because of what I experienced in the early years, I wanted to serve God with every ounce of my being, much like many here whom have shared their stories. My introduction to the core of corruption was the corps. First, the third corps that came to the area as Limb Leaders. I loved them and served on staff. But a dear friend, B*nnie who was later of the 9th corps, was on staff with me. She had gone to Headquarters and we at the twig couldn’t wait to hear of all the wonderful goings on there. However, when she returned, she told us how Uncle Harry in giving her a “bless you” kiss forced his tongue down her throat. I was baffled. Asked the 3rd corps woman (whom I loved, and whom during those years became one of my best friends) and her answer was that Uncle Harry was just trying to teach or help her feel like a woman. I found the answer to be weak and confusing. It was after years on Limb staff with all the stars of the ministry coming over and getting to know them, I began to wonder what the F? Then, I lived with an early corps female ministry star. It was to date, one of the worst experiences of my life. She boinked anything and everything it seemed with no attachment, commitment or normal feelings that most woman possessed. There was a callouse disregard for others and a narcissistic center to her life that was sickening. After many escapades, I did go to the LIMB LEADER about her antics. Now, during this period a region leader, also revered as a STAR came through for a visit. I really like him. He was funny and charismatic. We hit it off. I thought I had a new friend and perhaps I could ask him why this female reverend’s Vaginal area seemed to be a 24/7 hotel. Instead, as I slept that night, my NEW friend came into my room and I was in a sleepy stupor. Next thing I knew I was face down with this man inside me having sex. He was married and this just broke me. Shattered. After going to the LIMB LEADER in my shell-shocked boldness for help, they had a meeting in the area. They invited the whole area and told ME I could not come. In that meeting they told ALL the people that I was possessed and not to listen to anything I had to say. That these spirits only spoke badly of Leaders and that they were deceiving spirits. I was to be ignored. Then, they announced I had sex problems. NOT THE BOINKING happy hipped REV., but she counter struck but telling everyone it was me. The LEADERS met with me privately and announced to me all I had seen living with her were devils who were tricking me and none of this stuff really happened. This covered her promiscuous lifestyle and me being raped. They were off the hook. I was to go into the corps, and my goal was to get to VP and let him know that the ministry, the vehicle that brought me such joy, was collapsing. His leaders were like a porn flick that got outta hand. So, I had to go before LCM so I could still “Get into” the corps. I went to him and he said, “Do you know what you did?” I said yes. (Still determined to save the ministry by talking to VP) LCM said I had to learn to shut my mouth and not talk about things that should not be talked about. (That was my sin) Gee, I didn’t have spirits? I just had a big mouth reporting the things that actually happened? Interesting – and more confusing. Somewhere in all of this, I came close, so very close to suicide, but Ex called me and saved my life by telling me IT WAS NOT ME, BUT THE FEMALE REV HAD PROBLEMS. Later, I heard the TWI forces that went against me was a strategy. One where they hoped or directed me to perhaps suicide as “It was better to loose one than to loose many.” I could be sacrificed because I had a big mouth, If I died it just help to keep their secret. I got into the corps. And VP sent for me to come to the coach. I got there ready to SAVE THE MINISTRY. I went in. He was naked and asked me, “Do you swallow?” Freaked, crippled, broken; in that instant I also realized I had to get out of there. Mrs. W. happened to come into the coach and gave me the opportunity to leave. I took off. Later, I did go to see her. She was crying, and I was telling her I knew. And that I WAS NOT into all the crap. I did not and would not DO anything – in so many words. And she wiped her eyes with her crumpled tissue and held my hand. Later, I confronted VP with the word of God that what he was doing was WRONG. He told me “Whatsoever things are pure, think on those things” So, it was ME I was WRONG because I did not view all this destruction as P_U_R_E.” What an A S S H O L E I wrote him a letter confronting him. I spoke out, I went to the corps coordinators on TWO campuses with the violations that were happening and I was labled as a trouble maker. So, anyone can say ANYTHING they want about who did not say what. There are some situations where it is loose/loose and the only answer is to get out. I truly believe Mrs. W, whom I stayed in contact with, did what she could against the SAME kind of evil wall I ran into. In the later years, I heard she also partook in extra marital affairs, or at least one was suspected with her physician. You know, I hope she did find a secret love so at least she felt like she mattered. I do not judge her as by that time she was probably a shell of her former self. Heck, we are all still on here recovering in stages. She WAS married to him. So I think she made mistakes? Sure. Do I think she should have perhaps fought more to see her kids and stuff toward the end -- I do. But I do not know what she was faced with by then. All I know is they crippled me so I surely can understand her "hobbled walk with God" Ask Exxie she came from a home with an abusive father, knows what it takes for the wife to get out. In that generation, it was near impossible. Women have come along way in 30 years. So, if Mrs. W wasn’t your hero because she did not grab the mike at the ROA and tell us all to RUN? I ask where were any of us? I did not grab the mike, neither did any of you. It was H E L L And we all had the key to leave, and most stayed long after they knew to go, for whatever reasons. Edited for spelling error

After leaving TWI in the later 80's I hated meetings. I could not handle being in a room away from a door. So, for years I was really a mess when I had to go to a meeting or an after work class. TODAY, after about 18/20 years I am finally ready to attend a meeting and not having a sick claustrophobic feeling. I had meetig gross out for about 20 years from their insanity. Meetings all day in the corps, on the field, on Tesday on Thursday, branch meetings, area meetings, meetings with your area leaders.... And if you just wanted to stay home you were looked at like a trouble making pagan. I hated sitting ALL that time in a chair, in a room, listening to the pompus A zz or A zzus in charge, I cannot believe it affected me that long!

Thank you so very much I was gone from here a few days, Hubs temp came down the next morning. IT is still around 99 ish. HE looks pale to me and is very worn out, but I think he is okay. I may call you about his seizures as we went to an MD/holistic person and I think she brought up some interesting things. You are so very wonderful to try and help me and I appreciate it and you very very much, thank you for your concern and sweetness for people in need. Thank you so very very much, I will email you as soon as I get my facts straight and see if you can render an opinion. Man, thanks so much for caring. To everyone -- thank you so much for your love.

((((Biker babe)))))

Congrats EBN!

Thanks Kit.