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Once people seperate the man from the blessing they happen to get while in, I think this becomes more apparent. Some are just not ready, I guess

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Conduct cannot be seperated from a man's ministry unless there is repentance and CHANGE Now, there have been more than 3 witnesses in TWI. What VP divised was brilliant. If you get people to embrace the same sin as you, then they are not going to corrct you. Most or at least a large part that I know of, who were ordained were already in the inner circle. So, gee I confronted VP, I went to JAL to report the conduct, but he condoned it, I went to Micheal Fort, but he condoned it, I went to Christph Stoop and never really heard back on that one, I went to two female ministers I later found WERE servicing VPW. Then, my three limb leaders under whom I served -- were all involved.... BTW, Craig came to me and told me the reason I did not get in the 10th corps was because I did not know how to keep my mouth shut. About what you ask? About the sex the leaders were having on the field with young girls. He told me to keep my mouth shut. I went in the 11th ready to expose them all --- got to VP and he was the person teaching them... So, what a way to save yourself from impeachment! Involve everyone in the crime!!! So, who do you go to? You report it -- they are involved -- they get together and decide YOU can't handle it and tell you crazythings like you are possessed. So, although this is great Bilbe, in the case of TWI the only choice was to leave This works in a real church maybe - 1Ti 5:19 Do not receive an accusation against an elder except on the basis of two or three witnesses. 1Ti 5:20 Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning. 1Ti 5:21 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of His chosen angels, to maintain these principles without bias, doing nothing in a spirit of partiality. Or this Deu 19:15 “A single witness shall not rise up against a man on account of any iniquity or any sin which he has committed; on the evidence of two or three witnesses a matter shall be confirmed. Deu 19:16 “If a malicious witness rises up against a man to accuse him of wrongdoing, Deu 19:17 then both the men who have the dispute shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges who will be in office in those days. Deu 19:18 “The judges shall investigate thoroughly, and if the witness is a false witness and he has accused his brother falsely, Deu 19:19 then you shall do to him just as he had intended to do to his brother. Thus you shall purge the evil from among you. Deu 19:20 “The rest will hear and be afraid, and will never again do such an evil thing among you. Deu 19:21 “Thus you shall not show pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. IMO I contend he was NOT a good man that went bad. It was too organized with evil and protection of evil to have ever been good. These were baby snatchers. We got born-again then snatched into a demeaning community who minimized Jesus and manimized devil spirtis. Where you had the new birth may always be precious to you. May I suggest that had we been born again elsewhere we may have gone further, you were called before the foundations - you would have been bor-again with or without TWI. If we had been born-again, say in Leonard's class, perhaps we would have gone further. Than, 30 years later be arguing here.

Rhino WOW that makes one thankful!

I first heard some of the scriptures via PFAL. But many I heard previously. Why? Because they are in the Bible. If you heard Romans 10:9, 10 and you love that you ARE born again then cleave to that, not to the man on the film or speaking it to you on the tapes. The fact that you found God in a crap storm -- now that is a miracle for which we should thank our Lord. BTW Did you throw the bath water out? What kinda baby are we talking about Does it say "Lashunta lakka maka seeto...?" Does it have a dove on its diaper? Come with a wooden spoon? OR does it represent the Bible which was around long before TWI? What does your baby look like?

Decide... Yes, the minute someone says it was a cult and that we were conned, people's knees jerk and they fly in and defend him. I agree with you

Me too!

Why would you say that? I am able to seperated the power of the living God from a weirdo teaching a class. Johnny believed the Bible and a miracle happened! Praise Jesus!

Sky rider this is a much needed thread and I agree with you

This is horrible How can we stop it?

Happy Birthday!!

I have a gun at my bedside, another in my purse and another in my glove compartment. I will not go down without a fight and if if it is my day to die, I will die fighting.

I learned of a man named BG Leonard, I think I will investgate that. Deciderator: I do not need to make excuses to you, you have been here less than a month, you wouldn't know the history or the patterns here Each thread takes a life of its own when speaking of VP, Craig, PFAl, or TWI. Give yourself a lttle time and you will see how it works HERE, in this established community Welcome to the spot

Okay, Dooj is right! Thanks

Forgot one I responded to Jean calling Rascal Grudge holding- Grudge holding? How so? You defend an evil man. She exposes him - therefore she holds a grudge? Many people crawl to GSC looking for answers or deliverance from also being conned, raped, or heart broken. If they find you praising the man who did that to them, they may never get healed. She and others post on these kinds of threads to expose the illusion. Her response- But if you do not temper your "positive side" by some facts - it does perpetuate the illusion that TWI was not a cult and that VPW was a Man of God. Do you read the Bible? How can you reconcile all of this and conclude things are merely alleged and to just "stay positive?" about a hugely negative force. That is delusional and seems to be what VP himself subscribed to- Whatsoever ever things are pure -- think on those things-- That was how he MADE sin okay, he blamed those that confronted him with the charge of thinking evil -- he admonished us to think of it as pure.... How can you reconcile all of this and conclude things are merely alleged and to just "stay positive?" about a hugely negative force. That is delusional and seems to be what VP himself subscribed to- Whatsoever ever things are pure -- think on those things-- That was how he MADE sin okay, he blamed those that confronted him with the charge of thinking evil -- he admonished us to think of it as pure.... If you do not consider it evil - it isn't, that was the simple inner-circle teachings he would lay on us. If we SEE something BAD we are not thinking of it correctly - bad is good and good was bad. It is an ominous doctrine and against God This inner circle sinned and believed that they lived above the word of God. It was an evil very wrong doctrine, not a mistake, a doctrine. An on purpose doctrine designed to snare us and keep us from finding more truth than PFAL, a snare to take away our personal relationship with Jesus, a snare to take people sexually at his whim and to teach others "the enlightened ones" to do the same. Described as a higher plane and only people who "could handle it" were invited to partake. Anyone who objected or reproved their behavior was considered someone who "stumbled" at their freedom in their walk with Christ. Therefore, there was no way to correct them, they exalted themselves as gods deciding what was right and what was wrong. (Genesis 3:5). This is wicked.

Jean: I asked: So, how's that non judgemental thing working for you? Jeaniam? This is your criteria?You called Rascal: You didn’t suggest she wasn’t born again, therefore all other accusations disappear? Then, you called her hypocritical. How so Jeaniam? Seems to me you lash out at people and think you get a get a free pass and when she responds & you act like the wolf. Again, So, how's that non-judgmental thing working for you? Jean said: Do you see the whole truth Jean? I said: When you called Rascal bitter - Bitterness - you are saying that because when people like you bring up the great memories of VP, she brings up the dangerous side. You do not like it so you call her bitter. Your response does not address her bitterness, but the fact I called him dangerous The fact that he is DEAD does not eliminate the danger. There are new people who show up here like Exwaycorps, seeking answers, looking for understanding. If we only talk about a few things PFAL did for you, he would have never put the pieces together about what happened to him on the WOW field. There is dander in a man who sowed bad fodder, it grows and can reproduce weeds long after the original has passed. VP left a legacy, a bad one to many people. Things he did are stored in the nooks and crannies of people’s lives who are still ferreting out the damage done to them. Yes. They can recall the first class, and maybe the great day it was that they spoke in tongues. Glory to God! But shortly after that birth (from BG Leonard’s work) we were snatched into an evil cult. This delivers many people to understand how a great class could be taught by such a bad man. So, yes there are still dangers. There is still deliverance. I said: When you called Rascal unrighteous Rejoicing in unrighteousness - got me stumped there, she is one of the straightest people I know, and surely does not REJOICE in unrighteouness Your response: Well, see now Jean you called it alleged when we have first hand accounts. You want first hand accounts and you get them, then you want blue dress proof. Truth is you cannot handle the fact that a man who taught you a feel good stolen class was not all you thought he was, Then, you say RASCAL is unrighteous as she talks about the things the con man did to his flock? Come on Jean, you are grasping there. Jean, you will still be born again, God still loves you, just because we were tricked by a bad man doesn't mean God is bad or that you are. The fact that some were raped by him doesn't make THEM bad. Mr H Great point!

To whom it may concern: There have been threads on plagiarism, and the folks who do not think that happened, derailed it, by saying things like we need to PROOVE plagiarism. So, don't try and act like a positive thread was started, and derailed by people as it is the norm for us to derail while you guys are blameless, because when a thread WE think is delivering the other bunch is quick to jump in and try to discredit our points of view. So, it is a way of life here. A man such a VPW brings up strong polarized opinions. Those who loved PFAL and give him the credit, and those who were raped or severely mistreated that PFAL recedes to a dull memory. When any good is recognized it is seen from God in the middle of a hail storm... Reaching through crap to rescue those that truly sought him. Praise God, give Glory to God! Hallelujah!!!

Oh well, bless her heart, God spared her the corps and a lot of bunk, she was lucky there. Okay want to go chat?

Goey My gosh I have missed you!!!!

Rascal I went to chat and you weren't there, I thought Jeaniam might go but she is laughing in bed or something OOPS Gone to bed laughing

Perhaps Joniam Did you take Leonard's class? Cause I have the book and am thinking about it. Friend of mine had lunch with his wife this past week.

You do not think God id perturbed that a wonderful man of God had his class hijacked?I think he is I am glad you got to hear things from the class by hook or by crook -- I imagine But look at all that was lost... I do not think heaven was happy about the class being hijacked. If that is where you were born-again then praise Jesus, God can work in a crap storm It is nice to know I can bring a chuckle

Rascal Johnny has a point, the thread is so derailed the train has been junked.

If anyone here is an alcoholic, besides VPW the great man himself, perhaps they drink to forget being raped. I do not drink. On a rare occasion I have a wine cooler. But that is not the point. Jeaniam how dare you speak to Rascal like that? Grudge holding? How so? You defend an evil man. She exposes him - therefore she holds a grudge? Many people crawl to GSC looking for answers or deliverance from also being conned, raped, or heart broken. If they find you praising the man who did that to them, they may never get healed. She and others post on these kinds of threads to expose the illusion. Wrath?- I would say indignation over the posts that people who still laud VPW to the sky present Bitterness - you are saying that because when people like you bring up the great memories of VP, she brings up the dangerous side. You do not like it so you call her bitter. Rejoicing in unrighteousness - got me stumped there, she is one of the straightest people I know, and surely does not REJOICE in unrighteouness Slander? How so? She tells her truth which doesn't match yours so it is slander? Strife? I'd say you cause her as much strife as she causes you. You've been no laid back seetie pie since you've been here So, how's that non judgemental thing working for you? Jeaniam?