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Thanks I do not mean the trying will kill me I mean, I believe there is healing. And when it is my time to go, I will be going still believing it is out there, and I have not found it rather than believe it is not available.

WOW You have no idea how trapped I was thinking -- well my prayers did not work as I am not doing the right fast, or doing it long enough, or do both of us have to fast, or just him? I have been spinning over this Thank you

Mary I have the same concern and similar experience: I am 3 days into The Healing Rooms ministry with guest Speaker C@l Pierce. A few weeks back, after a seizure and a severe manic crisis in a loved one, I was picking up my stuffed animal (dog toys) all over the floor, and placing them into a basket, I have to keep the toys neat and collected. I then, crumbled by the couch, in a lump of despair and told God, “I can’t do this anymore. I just cannot do this anymore.” Tears of hopelessness and bondage, to diseases in someone else, kept me bound to a life I had come to despise. And every moment I lived was a walking death. (and the loved ones life has been destroyed as well) I lay before God, his humble daughter, seeking deliverance and direction. And in my cracked humility I begged God for help, as he was the only one who could help me. The things God did: 1) He sent SOM to GSC; who ministered to me, and my husband. SOM got revelation and spoke it over the phone with hubs and I in the same room. That revelation was a saving grace to me, to foil a plan that was being laid to ruin me. 2) SOM called me with a group from an old Evangelist, John G. Lake. They had begun the healing rooms again. 3) I got prayed for at the healing rooms. It was right on the mark. 4) I tried out their church. They were spirit filled. 5) I signed up for a conference and found out that C@l P1erce was going to be the speaker 6) At the conference a woman named Marie, stood up with a word for two ladies at the conference. She said she was in the plane on the way to the conference and God showed her a woman who was picking up stuffed animals, all over the floor and tossing them to clean them up. Then, this woman, crouched down on the floor in front of the couch, and told God, “She just cannot do this anymore.” She said, “God wants you to know he has seen your perseverance and has heard your words. He wants you to know HE loves you.” Then, after a dynamic few teachings, one on soul-ties, and another on the end times, Cal did an impartation to the crowd. He walked among us and put on oil on everyone’s forehead and in each palm and said something I cannot recall. Now, people were blessed, singing with the band that played in the background, and getting slain in the spirit. I, being an x-wafer, was very closed to this as I was taught it was not a good/God thing. And that VPW, after being in a meeting where they were “slain” gave people a kick and the people sat up and came out of the state they were in. (Paraphrase) So, when I had the oil, be it God or my own obstinacy or wrong teaching, I did not go down. I continued to praise God and sing along with the band. I opened my eyes and saw many peaceful on the floor, as if being taken to a place and seeing marvelous things. Others, shook on the floor, as if they had small jolting convulsions. I closed my eyes and still danced to the music, then by accident, I kicked a woman who was laying peacefully nearby. She did not awake, she did not flinch she remained in a smiling kinda sleep-state. I closed my eyes and danced again, and in advertently gave a dance kick to another, and they did not flinch or awaken either. Then, I cried and asked God, could it be you? Everything else seemed so ordained by God. BUT, I did not want to do something from peer pressure, or demons. But the room was holy. I called a trusted Christian friend, (X-TWI) and we discussed it. I needed some biblical basis for what I had seen. Being on the cell phone and not having a zillion scriptures handy, off the top of his head he recalled this: II Chronicles:5:19 2 Chronicles 5 1 When all the work Solomon had done for the temple of the LORD was finished, he brought in the things his father David had dedicated—the silver and gold and all the furnishings—and he placed them in the treasuries of God's temple. The Ark Brought to the Temple 2 Then Solomon summoned to Jerusalem the elders of Israel, all the heads of the tribes and the chiefs of the Israelite families, to bring up the ark of the LORD's covenant from Zion, the City of David. 3 And all the men of Israel came together to the king at the time of the festival in the seventh month. 4 When all the elders of Israel had arrived, the Levites took up the ark, 5 and they brought up the ark and the Tent of Meeting and all the sacred furnishings in it. The priests, who were Levites, carried them up; 6 and King Solomon and the entire assembly of Israel that had gathered about him were before the ark, sacrificing so many sheep and cattle that they could not be recorded or counted. 7 The priests then brought the ark of the LORD's covenant to its place in the inner sanctuary of the temple, the Most Holy Place, and put it beneath the wings of the cherubim. 8 The cherubim spread their wings over the place of the ark and covered the ark and its carrying poles. 9 These poles were so long that their ends, extending from the ark, could be seen from in front of the inner sanctuary, but not from outside the Holy Place; and they are still there today. 10 There was nothing in the ark except the two tablets that Moses had placed in it at Horeb, where the LORD made a covenant with the Israelites after they came out of Egypt. 11 The priests then withdrew from the Holy Place. All the priests who were there had consecrated themselves, regardless of their divisions. 12 All the Levites who were musicians—Asaph, Heman, Jeduthun and their sons and relatives—stood on the east side of the altar, dressed in fine linen and playing cymbals, harps and lyres. They were accompanied by 120 priests sounding trumpets. 13 The trumpeters and singers joined in unison, as with one voice, to give praise and thanks to the LORD. Accompanied by trumpets, cymbals and other instruments, they raised their voices in praise to the LORD and sang: "He is good; his love endures forever." Then the temple of the LORD was filled with a cloud, 14 and the priests could not perform their service because of the cloud, for the glory of the LORD filled the temple. Something happened when the cloud filled the room – and we know it was the glory of the Lord. But it does not say that they fell down. I truly saw God in this conference, truly. But am unwilling to follow blindly my peers into a part of their service which may not be biblically based. I will continue at their church as it is almost like the “good old days” where the fruits of BG Leonard’s class were realized by many of us who took PFAL. I found this against slain in the spirit: http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/faq/slaininspirit.html I found this: Jesus Himself, God in the flesh, walked this earth, and the people near Him did not fall down slain in the spirit. The reaction that Jesus got from His physical presence came from (1) a supernatural source, the demons and (2) a natural source, the hypocrites of His day. So if you are a demon or a hypocrite then you may fall down. Please! Note that Jesus also exercised power over death, disease, and nature itself in addition to demons. http://www.angelfire.com/in/HisName/antichrist.html http://www.jimfeeney.org/fallingoutslaininSpirit.html Has anyone here been slain in the spirit and what can you tell me about it? I want the DEEP things of the Lord. I told God I want to go in deep and to protect me, but I feel that SCRIPTURE protects us from things we should not do. (Such as having sex with an old man who tells us he is a moggie in TWI, or perhaps becoming a nun.) So, I do believe these people LOVE GOD and do show many great things of God, but I have a problem with this aspect. I am either one of the only ones screwed up there, or one of the only ones who has not allowed themselves to be tricked by a non-Biblical, popular thing going on. Anyone know anything? I am not judging, but looking for Biblical truth… Trick me once shame on you, trick me twice shame on me. The thing is, you shall know them by their fruits, and I believe I was in an orchard of plump ripe fruit trees. Many say it is NOT of God, can anyone confirm that it is?

Maybe he is/ was a con. I also read bad things about him, but I am still looking for the healing of God. It is my only option, and if I have to pass this guy, then I will, but there is a Godly healing somewhere. I am going to find it, or die trying. I will not conclude that there is no such thing as a miracle or a Godly healing from all that I read good or bad about him. I lived the bad in VPW, and I keep looking. Thanks From the link I posted, here is another thing said of his death: Gerald King said, "We were in the Jack Tar Hotel in San Francisco in the late afternoon, and Bro. Allen said, 'Jerry, I feel tired, I believe I'll rest a bit, before we go to dinner.' " Jerry said, "I went to my room, and about 8:00 P.M. began to be concerned because I hadn't heard from Allen. I phoned his room, got no reply, so went up and knocked on the door, and still got no reply. I then proceeded to get the manager who opened the door, and we found Bro. Allen slumped over in an easy chair, dead." The medical Examiner issued a certificate of death, stating the cause of death as "an apparent heart attack." Many stories have been told, some stating that "the room was full of empty liquor bottles," and others, that he "died an alcoholic". . . but they are all lies, based on "narrow minded, evil surmisings," by people who would rather discredit the ministry, than to "believe the truth." Believing the truth, requires one to accept the prophecies, and act upon them. George, I appreciate where you are coming from. Perhaps you think it is sad that I am still "hunting" for Jesus and the miracles seen in the 1st century church. Perhaps, you are concerned I will be tricked or hurt again. Believe me, I share those concerns. But the alternative? To stop looking? I cannot abide that in my life. And although you may be concerned about my being tricked, I concern myself with people who did not find, so they stop looking. You may prove to be the right one, when all is said and done. I hope not, for then life is even more bleak and without hope, than I have felt. Yes, I can rely on ME. But although reliable, I cannot restore, fix or help very much. For my "engine" to run, I have to repy on the "premise" that there is a God who loves me and wants us well. And I would rather go out thinking that way, and never find it, then live thinking it does not exist. So, I hear you. And maybe Allen is a con. In many places, your steel logic is wise and strong, but I really hope you are wrong. I hope, there truly is a God that can look at my broken self, and reach out with restoration and wholeness -- or I must say -- if your version of the world is true, I wish to God I had never been born. For it would be a very dark planet. That is not meant to make you less strong or convicted in things you share, but this is just my truth... edited for punctuation

He was sold to 15 men by his father. For a night, they stood in a circle with a dirty matress in the middle and raped the 10 year old boy all night long. His father had made money off of this... At 11 he went to church with his aunt and learned about a FATHER who loved us, he sat weeping.... Then heard in a whisper in his ear, that God was the father he was seeking. A story of evil and goodness... and a kid who prayed to die....

http://www.eaec.org/TruthAboutAAAllen.htm

Rascal What year? I think I was there in 77-78. I keep trying to recall, SOM? I am getting older now and some names excape me. Jennie -- maybe... I forget. Trish b u rns was there, Som, @nn Not0 Any sound familiar?

Sorry, nothing says we CAN'T live the book of Acts Why not? Look at this on You tube Search A A Allen Video - little Hawian Girl One leg was shorter. Watch it and see if you see it growing in the name of Jesus. Why not now, why not us?

On the LONG thread about the PFAL class July and August 2007 "A few big things I learned taking PFAL" Oldies said, Raf responds, It was a gem

Yeah, really

Groucho That is very funny!

Chuckle, I do stuff like that!

I am coming out as an illegal immigrant hating, send them all back, learn English, I refuse to learn Spanish, American. For the hard of hearing: illegal immigrant

T-bone You are pretty good at the funny stuff.

Amazing JJ!

Dmiller: Here he is after one day on the job:

From his site:

WW It has been a week.... Dan So, all this time I thought I had to do something "extra" for this kind It was an added error? Boy, that miffs and delivers me.

Speaking in Tongues - do you do it? YES!

Testimony: I did not know where to stick this, Open, the Way or here. I hope it finds a home here nestled in the bible stuff. I just came back from church where Danny W@llace gave his testimony. He lives here. His father sexually abused him, sold him to other men, to perform sexually ,from the time he was around 5 years old. He put him in a freezer one Christmas eve because he did not behave, he was handcuffed to the pig shack and forced to eat with them. His father killed every puppy brought home by slamming its head into something or other methods. This was worse or as bad as the woman in When Rabbit Cries. His testimony is a free download. He became so confused sexually that he married a woman at the age of 17 but went back and forth between heterosexuality and homosexuality for years. Finally, came down with full blown aids in 2003 and was given up for dead when God let him know HE was the FATHER he always longed for…. Oprah Winfrey got a copy of his testimony and called him and asked him to go on the show but he did not feel lead to do it. Here is his story of deliverance http://www.dannywallace.org/default.htm I don't understand how or why this happens to kids. If I were an angel surely I would ask God to let me swoop down and save this kid. I do not know the restrictions placed on heavenly beings to intervene in situations like this one. I cannot think too deeply or I get into circular anger that goes nowhere. So, instead, I choose to look at the deliverance rather than where is God during a crime? I look at a broken man whom God delivered.

Craig launches into his ministry He is a hands on kinda guy

Craig at his first twig

The laying on of hands was just LAYING ON HANDS TO CRAIG!

Laughing at all you guys Holly - welcome