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Shifra and another Dan - The man with the sandal, I asked him! Thanks

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When I was in the RV and VPW was naked and asked me to do something, I wasn't about to do, I asked God in my head for help. Mrs. W walked in and broke the tension, and although VP asked me not to move, I left. I asked Then, the escape came

OMG!!! Okay, Quietly thinking and asking God…. (You suggested Larry, and I did it again) Perhaps, the reason the heavens do not SPRING into action is they have to be asked… Otherwise it is interference and THAT violates free will. I did not ask Jesus to help me in the woods, I think he warned us via Steven, but I did not say, “Jesus help me!” Just like our Government. During the Katrina nightmare the mayor did not follow protocol and ASK for the government to get involved, so they didn’t, Ray Nagin did not ASK, and those were the laws in place. Then, he blamed everyone else but HE did not do the necessary steps. Neither did I AND I blamed God for his inaction! I did not ASK, or speak it from the spiritual realm to this one. If they were there and inactive, it is because I did not ask. They NEVER leave or forsake, but they do NOT violate free will. I did not ask!!! There seems to be asking, believing, and speaking going on all over the Bible which apparently is the currency to bring things from the supernatural world INTO the natural. Look how this goes, just a few places: Mathew 7 7 ASK, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ASK bread, will he give him a stone? 10 Or if he ASK a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ASK him? Psalm 91 14Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name. 15He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him. Psalm 4:1 KJV Chapter Hear me when I call, O God of my righteousness: thou hast enlarged me when I was in distress; have mercy upon me, and hear my prayer. Psalm 17:6 KJV Chapter I have called upon thee, for thou wilt hear me, O God: incline thine ear unto me, and hear my speech. Psalm 31:17 KJV Chapter Let me not be ashamed, O LORD; for I have called upon thee: let the wicked be ashamed, and let them be silent in the grave. Psalm 50:15 KJV Chapter And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me. Psalm 55:16 KJV Chapter As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me. Psalm 91:15 KJV Chapter He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him. Psalm 118:5 KJV Chapter I called upon the LORD in distress: the LORD answered me, and set me in a large place. WOW So, he is there at the crime site. He needs to be invited into action. Sickness may require some additional stuff, I am still looking at that stuff --- still questing Edit for a typo

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Anyway, I can see that God doesn't need a rose petal in heaven, he does not injure his kids JUST to help other injured kids, but where is he during a crime? He never leaves us. So, does he sit there watching? Cause I have aproblem with that kind of (lack) of protection. Are there heavenly rules where the devil has reign, when it is his thing, & the angels have to just sit there? Cause if I were an angel and saw a priest about to "take" an alter boy, I'd trip him, make his zipper stick, have the boy's mother show up -- I would do something. So, I can only figure they must not be allowed. But being as GOD makes the rules, I would have to ask, if you knew these laws would cause such pain why did you make or enforce them? Where are you and what do you do during the commision of a crime? Yes Sky, although Oak is no longer a Christian, he has always been polite to my beliefs and kind toward the majority of x-wafers. When faced with some unusual ideas, like a poster a few years back, he took off the gloves -- but so did the Christians. Hi Oak, nice to see you. Sorry, another thought, could it be sin that sets up the barrier? How can the all powerful just sit there? What keeps him from action?

They are pulling each other's red hair out.... It's an Irish family reunion

WOW And what a dumb thing for the guy to do, huh? I am blown away. From what I am seeing sometimes other people are doing the asking, but how does that affect the other person's free will. Maybe I need to breath and remember it is God's show. I asked a guy, who is in a splinter of sorts, to pray for my "guy" and he told me "If he is not really into it, it is a waste of my time."

I understand your point, and perhaps I will one day have the answer. I too asked the Lucifer question along with the Adam and Eve question, if he knew they were going to sin why not create Sally and Sammy instead of them.... I have not focused primarily on myself, but on others for a very long time, I stuffed the "ills" of that event into a black hole. When the Lord showed me, how it tied into my present, I was delivered of things. But when I asked, "where were you?" I had no understanding. Maybe it will come as I continue forward When I have people, I speak with about the Lord, ask that question of me, I have to say I do not know. I feel that answer is fodder to build "lack of trust" in God and not the kind of faith needed to live the book of Acts in this day and time. For instance, one asked me why their daughter died of cancer in childhood... I do not know. They feel if they had POWER they would have saved the child. I tell them God offers us that power and they ask, "where was he then?" My silent answer, or my I do not know is weak. I do not think that God needed a rose petal in heaven, I do not think the fear in the heart of the mother killed the child, nor do I feel the child should have believed for herself.... Perhaps, it is the community of the church who has allowed these things to happen out of inaction in the area of miracles. I had one person tell me, because my mother did not pray for me evey day (her job as a parent) I walked without protection, which opened the door. But then, if God loved me and knew I was his, I really feel he had an obligation as a loving father to protect me. I did the best I could at 6. I went to vacation Bible school, and I asked to go to church with the neighbors as my parents did not go, I sought the Lord. If I were God, I would have protected that kid, as she tried to find me. I cannot be more loving than God. I may not ever know the answer. I am walking forward, but this question bothers me in MY life as well as in helping others understand "why?" I do not know why, and it makes me ineffectual, I think, in helping people close wounds. Perhaps, I see through a glass darkly But being as the Bible has the answers to life the answer must be there. When people tell me they were looking for God (as their earthly father raped them) and they were taken under wing by a priest that then raped them ... I have no answers... Other than, I know I was told to leave the woods and I missed it. A loving God cannot WANT bad things to happen so he can use my example to help others. He may not want it to happen, but it did. Now that event --he was not part of-- is being healed, I can use it to help others. There is a difference. But I still fell my answer is not solid. A speaker came in to church and had been sold by his father and raped by 15 men when he was 10 years old. He told a tale that made me want to vomit. Then, he said he would go through it all again to be able to help others become free. He spoke of an 85-year-old woman, who clasped his hands, and shared for the FIRST time she was raped at 5, and now after his testimony she can finally speak it. He said, he maybe crazy, but that made it worth it. To me, that was horrid like the rose petal analogy. God, with his kind nature, could have never had that 10-year-old boy be sold and raped so an 85 -year-old woman could be delivered. Jesus delivered us by his death and resurrection. No little boy has to be raped to save or deliver anyone. I am just not buying it. I might buy that the devil is pure evil and God is pure light. God must have provided a way out that we missed. But I know what you are saying. And I know certain questions just seemed to float around without answers. I just really hope to find the answer to this one. It is NOT the nature of God to allow someone to be shot in the face so they can help others shot in the face. That may happen, (meaning it may become a useful tool in a testimony) but it cannot be WHY the guy was shot. Ya know?

It shall be interesting. The girl who shared her PTS with incest, says she gets the devil back each time she teaches deliverance. I think that is a great payback. I just want to know - where God was during the commison of the crime. And since he is all powerful -- why didn't he use those powers to SAVE us in those crimes. Larry, your point is well taken. I have asked him for years... I have gotten no answers as to that portion of the question... I do not want it to be one of those answers, "It will make sense when we die." There has to be a reasonable answer.

Speaking of the devil coming along and trying to ruin a life (Job) There was a speaker at the conference I went to- She went into how the devil does not have foreknowledge, but she believes, the devil can see “family” characteristics in a person and go after them in youth to steal their ministry. She said something like, “My family is loud and comical. They are funny and great Irish storytellers. If you saw me out, and I was still a stranger, but you knew my family, you may approach me and say, “Are you an O’Malley?” Like wise, the devil sees a bright, sparkly kid, who loves vacation Bible school, he reads the signs (characteristics of the family of God) and sends tormentors and destroyers to crush their ministries BEFORE it begins. Then, she shared how it took her 20-30 years to heal from the incest she experienced. From there they taught a bit on “sozo” training. It is a class that lets the Lord take you back to places where your life opened to WRONG things and the bricks built on that. I am signed up for that. I figured the Lord already did that with me, and I know it was him, so these people are probably on the right track. We will see. I do not want to be mad at God in this area and “in love” with him elsewhere, it is time God and I hashed this out so it makes sense. All answers are appreciated, I may not agree, but looking for how you see this stuff. Sozo (means saved) They do believe that PTS can limit us (stuff the devil sent in the past) Introduction. Histrory. Boundaries of protection. Qualifications of a Sozo team member. Structure of teams. Overall view of methods used. Father ladder. Four doors. The wall. Divine editing. Post traumatic stress/trigger mechanisms. Presenting Jesus. Familiar Spirits. Sozo on children. Etiquette. Cautions. https://secure.healingrooms.com/index.php?s...mp;orderby=name We are all on a healing Journey- Where the Holy Spirit desires to make us whole; body, soul, and spirit. To take us further on this healing journey, we have invited a team from Bethel Church in Redding to bring SOZO ministry training to our region. SOZO is a healing ministry to the wounds of the inner person. It specifically addresses wounds that hinder us from moving into our destiny. SOZO is the Greek word translated saved, healed & delivered The SOZO ministry is a unique inner healing and deliverance ministry. The main aim is to get to the root of those things hindering your personal connection with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The SOZO team uses six tools: Father ladder Presenting Jesus Four Doors Trigger Mechanisms The Wall Divine Editing By using these tools and following the Holy Spirit, wounds are healed, strongholds broken, truth revealed, and “doors” closed. http://www.christianlife.org/index_files/Page370.htm

Here is the thing: I am delighted that God allowed me to see what made me a freaking lunatic when it came to hating flannel and the rest, I would be almost tranced at the smell of Clorox and freaked by Elmer’s glue – you can figure out what it represented… So, therefore there was much UNDERSTANDING that came from that trip with the Lord. And I knew if I focused on the WHY’s it would bring up anger. But this poster friend contacted me and just kept asking about where was Jesus and she did NOT understand how he could do nothing. And truly, I have never had that answered either. I think having that question looming over me, makes me DEEP down inside, NOT trust God/Jesus completely. After all, if he LOVED me why didn’t he stop it? And if Jesus was there, how could he DO nothing? I would have helped him. So, that makes me a better protector, somewhere in my thinking, than he is. So, in turn, I apparently, do not let go and let God, because he did such a .... poor job of it back in the woods. Does that make sense, so there is this part of me, who TRUSTS him, but a small child who surfaces and says, “he did not do such a great job when you were 6.” That memory, is my enemy to complete faith, I believe. And to have people tell me, he allowed it so you can help others this happened to, is such a weak reason, I cannot believe GOD, in his wisdom, would have to have me attacked to help others who were. That is lame. That would be like me pushing you down and having your knee bleeding, so I can show others how wonderfully I administer a band aide on their bleeding knees. The quest, (with the STILL unsatisfied hunger I have to know my God), has brought up areas with which I am having trouble dealing. Cman – I read that book about 12 years ago, I think he is also grabbing at answers that seem lame to me. It was a rabbi wasn’t it that wrote it? To me the book just kept saying, “Bad things will happen to you”. No offense, and I appreciate YOU and your help, but I know that… I just do not understand, a GOD whose nature it is to LOVE me, can allow that to happen. And that, like Rascal says, does not even cover the quest to find him which ends into a soul sucking sex-cult. Were we not taught that if we ask God for an egg he would not give us a scorpion? So, either he gave us a scorpion, OR he told us to get out and we did not listen. The latter, I can buy. As I did not listen in the woods AND I did not listen to LEAVE TWI when I saw the red flags. I can blame MY humanness rather than think God allowed it to happen to HELP others…. Another Dan – I do blame myself for NOT leaving the woods, and I talked 5 year-old Karen into staying with me. I AM to blame for not leaving. I am not to blame for the pigs attacking me. Thank you for your kindness, and I do not think that a 6 year-old-girl should have THAT happen because she wanted to play "tea party" a few more minutes." So, I agree with you there. Maybe, I need to ask God for forgiveness for my inability to FOLLOW directions – that makes more sense, than the loving God who lets it happen for future Glory for himself… I cannot eat that meal… ya know? I just want to know WHERE he is during the commission of the crime? Loving with me as they pin me to the ground and I cry in horror? Why didn't he have a tree fall on them and stop them? My agnostic-earthly-father would have done better than this. Apparently, I have some anger issues with heavenly father… **** “If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If ye then being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask Him?” (Luke 11:11-13)

Where is God during the commission of a crime? I have heard of “training” where you go back to the event and look around and see Jesus. I wonder if these “trainers” are recreating the event and their heavy suggestion “to see Jesus” at the crime scene, is not what HAS people seeing him. In 1994 (ish) I had many odd quirks. I hated flannel, I could not stand anything touching my hands, I washed them constantly, I did not like Ke1fer Sutherl@nd and certain smells sent me into a black vortex of being emotionally lost – it was a dark place. A Christian woman at work, came to me and told me she was praying for my childhood memories. Later, while alone and relaxing, Jesus came into my brain like a movie, and asked me if I were ready to go back and look, if I were ready to see? I told him “yes” Well he and I, as adults, traveled to this “movie” where I was a child (6) with my friend Karen (5). We were playing “tea party” on this island in the creek, there was a piece of a green musty smelling rug. These teenage boys appeared and they molested us. They were wearing flannel shirts and one looked like Ke1fer. Now, just prior, our neighbor Steven was also there and he said something like “we need to leave, now…” But Karen and I stayed. The Lord took me there, to the past, and it was a horrible thing to watch. But it cleared up so many blanks in my emotions and explained my triggers. I have been asked, where was Jesus during this? As some trainings want you to keep going back until you see him. I was not under any training, this was just Jesus and I, one day delivering me of my past. I do recall a peace that came over me, in my hysterical state, and I am not sure, but I think I turned my head and saw (sandaled feet) toes peeking out from under a white robe. I do not know if I put him there myself, of I saw it. I have been asked, “Why didn’t he do something to stop it?” I do not know. I have to think, if he just stood there, I would have done a better job than he did, I would have fought those boys, or given them blindness until the girls could flee. So, where was God? I know he was in Steven’s encouragement to get us to leave… In one boy Rick, fighting for us against Ke1fer who had a knife, but Rick too molested us. Where is God during the commission of a crime? In the warnings? In the recovery? I think so. But during the crime? You know, like when the kid cries not to be raped by his parent? “When my father and my mother forsake me, then the Lord will take care of me.” (Psalm 27:5, NKJV) Because verses like I will never of leave you seem weak, and even if he was there and did nothing, then that gives me a powerless Jesus. Where is the powerful Jesus when a believer gets hurt? Hebrews 13:5-6 13:5 - Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 13:6 - So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me. I have been told God allowed it, so I could help others, well NEWSFLASH, why not just kept that from happening in the first place for all kids. I have always found that a LAME answer. He allowed me to be hurt, so I could help others, he allowed to be hurt… Does this make sense to you?

But can your loving faithful prayer bring the healing to (say) a woman who has given up? Then, it seems as if it is works.... So, what does the prayer of a righteous man do? Help her with her faith? Keep her peaceful as she dies? What is our part in this? Is prayer works, or an expected release of the problem to God? The more I look, the more I do NOT get it. Or does there have to be (at least) two in agreement. What does God want from us? What is our part in all of this? I see asking and faith... Does the sick person have to have faith? Or when they are beaten down, can our faith fill the void? This makes sense

Words and Works What do you think? About the Centurion asking for the miracle for his servant? Does not say the servant was a believer. Seemed like a nice giving guy, maybe. But the Centurion ASKED for someone who was not him, and that someone was healed. I have been thinking. Nobody wants to be sick, except for some attention seeking weirdos. So, the desire to be well, is there. Their will is to be well.... Now toss in prayer of a righteous man, how much can it avail? What happens when we wear out, can someone really stand in the gap with their faith in Jesus for your healing? What about the guy in India, in Piffle, do you think it happened -- I believe you can heal me but I do not believe in your Jesus.... Or does the sick person have to beg and believe so to speak? What if the sick person's sickness is ruining the faithful's life, can the faithful claim deliverance for the sick person? (Such as schizophrenia-- I ask this as a believing mother had an adult son with this, each day she and her prayer partner prayed for his deliverance. They (mother and prayer partner) took him off the meds and continued in prayer. The son had been raped many times in childhood and had a splintering. Anyway, the son killed the mother by stabbing her. The autopsy said the wounds were not deep enough (kid had hand problems) to kill her, so it was as if she gave up during the crime. BUT I think prayer can work on another person, as in these biblical records, however, in this woman's case she should not have taken him off the meds. ) Are there hard fast rules? The man whose son threw hiself in the fires -- well, the father asked for help for his son, the son didn't ask. And he was healed. So was the centurions servant. Gospel of Mark - When the disciples ask in 9:28, “Why could we not cast it out?”, Jesus responds by saying “This kind (γένος) can come out only through prayer.” The first problem is that Jesus doesn’t pray to cause the spirit to come out. Why not? In the story, the reason that the spirit comes out is because the father believes.

Sounds GOOD to me!

Thanks Boy when you have a typo in the title -- ya can't get it out. Sorry, everyone

Suppose another has behaviors which are harmful to you, or an illness which is bankrupting you? If "Apple" prays for God's protection, the other relative, say has an expensive disease like cancer, therefore the disease is breaking Apple, will God heal them, we will call her Grape, so that Apple stays healthy and blessed? What comes to mind is the prayer of a righteous man availth much. But then I hear in my head Vp saying, something like, we can only believe for someone too young like an infant or someone who maybe in something like a coma, then our will covers them. FOUND IT ON THE NET: Example: As soon as the leaders came to his home, the centurion said, "Go quickly and find Jesus. BEG Him to come and heal my servant." Knowing how very much the centurion loved their nation and how much he had given so they could have their very own synagogue, they quickly obeyed and started out to find Jesus. It wasn't easy, for the men had to push their way through the crowded streets. However, the synagogue leaders soon found Jesus. They wasted no time at all getting right up to where Jesus could hear them and immediately started to earnestly plead with Him to come with them and heal the centurion's dying servant. "If anyone deserves your help, it is this man," they urged. "He loves the Jews and even paid personally to build us a synagogue." After listening intently to the men, Jesus said, "I will come and heal his servant." He then followed the synagogue leaders through the crowded streets, as they led the way to the respected centurion's home. Not far from the home, friends of the centurion arrived with a message for Jesus. "Sir, do not trouble yourself to come to my home, for I am unworthy for you to enter under my roof or even to come and meet you. Just speak a word, and I know my dear servant will be healed," the centurion's message read. "I know how it is, for I receive orders from my superior officers and I give orders to those under my authority. All I have to say is, 'Go!' and they go, or 'Come!' and they come, and to my servant, 'Do this or that' and he does it. So if you just say, 'Be healed,' my servant will be made well." When Jesus heard the centurion's words, he was totally amazed. Jesus marveled at the faith of the centurion. He turned around and said to the crowd that was following Him, "Never among all the Jews in Israel have I met a man with faith like this." Then the centurion came himself and Jesus turned to him and said, "Go your way. Just as you have believed, it will be done." What if the desire of Apple's heart is to see Grape be healed. How much can be done do to Apple's faith? I know about free will. But in order to bless Apple, Grape needs to be set free of cancer....

W & W Why do you think we are not seeing more healings? Is there more sin in the world, less people believe we can? What do you think is going on? Talked out of it? Fear?

We need to make sure we are asking people if it is okay to post their pictures. Just thought I would bring this up. Some people choose to stay unknown....

Bait dogs Part of the crime http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/n...60223/dog.shtml Of interest: http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0534,shaftel,67093,5.html

NEVER put in the paper, "free to a good home" That is where they are getting them. In Chicago, a client of ours moved there, and she told us IHO that Animal control is giving pets to these people to be used as bait. She, the client, had a young pit named Queen. She was on the porch sitting quietly with her. And animal control got a call she was vicious. The dog wasn't. They took her, and when our client went to retrieve her, with the couple hundred dollars they required, her dog "had been killed and cremated" Queen was about 8 mos. old, the client was black and in a black community, SHE told me, it is heavily rumored that AC there is involved in a ring and she thinks they stole her dog for fighting or bait. The Black pet owners there are outraged. But she said they are kept in check by thug types threatening the area. She is a brave teenager and set out to write and call everyone 'cause she is heartbroken and MAD. She was going to contact the NAACP on behalf of her dead dog and see if she could get help. Funny, they came out on behalf of an abuser I hope she is still okay.

Our Vet said, They are not even bringing up the golden retrievers (a non-fighting dog) thrown into the pit bulls to be ripped apart so the pit gets the taste for blood. They also throw in kittens and puppies. I said Vick did this? He said yes. Maybe in one of the vet mags But it is how pits are trained to fight.

Another from VPW's source of Believing QUOTE( TheEvan @ Sep 20 2005, 04:49 PM) My original "Studies in Abundant Living Vol 1" (there was only 1 volume in those days HAHA) opened with the first chapter as "The Magic of Beliving".<BR><BR>I don't think anybody who took Piffle after 70 or 71 would have that old book. anybody ever see it? Yep, all us oldies saw it and have it, as well as the original collateral booklet! Peter Wade, Director, PFAL film, etc. etc. When the radio starts up again, can we do him?