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The fact that that Larry kept responding was kind of a directive tool... I did not get any pm's trying to sway me about Larry I was completely offended on my own.

It is really denigrating when that argument is used because it is like saying, "you people are too stupid to see this yourselves but as long as others see it then you will. You are a lemming." If a person is rude to 30 people. And 30 people get mad. Is that "groupthink?" Or one really rude person that is pizzing people off? This is how I view "groupthink" as an insult That was the point So, Abi to accuse people of "groupthink" is an insult. I found Larry to be awful -- on my own, thank you

I did not even open my mail yet. I got in from work on an emergency case and checked this thread. So, you do not LIKE being bunched into a groupthink?My point, exactly. Neither do I (we) Just because people individually have the same conclusion does not mean it to be a “groupthink” I guess you missed the point. I DID NOT bring up groupthink as I DO NOT think it applies. Here is your reply - I do not think groupthink applies here, Abi brought it up. Therefore, I was following her lead to make a point. You probably should NOT be clumped with the others, but just because Tonto, Rascal, Cman, Sirguessalot, Sudo, Bulwinkl, Sunesis and I find Larry offensive -- is that "groupthink" or is it a group of independent people who came to the same conclusion independently --- we find Larry offensive. But groupthink is a buzzword, which has been used in this thread as a chastisement, as if without "each other" feeling the same way, we would not independently come to the same conclusion. It simply DOES NOT APPLY, here. It is a weak argument especially as I have never even conversed with Tonto or T-bone before. I merely found them to have come to a similar conclusion as I have had.

Well, Dan that was very nice! So, you think Abi gets sick at heart reading things here --- and what? Nobody else does? I am STILL sick over the way John Juedes was treated here. Let me tell you about John Juedes. After leaving TWI, and looking over my shoulder for Satan to kill me because I left, I wrote John Juedes a note. I blathered on and on about this horrible secret I had been keeping about VPW and his sexual problems. I had gotten validation with Ralph when he came out to stay with us, but the bondage kept me chained to this horrible gnome and his dirty secrets. John Jueds took the time to write back and forth with me until I began to heal. The torment of KNOWING what Dr.Weiwille did to girls was crippling. The picture in my head of his old naked body and him having such little regard for God’s woman disturbed me and “kept me in my place” And the nerve of him to say to me, “Do you swallow?” Expecting me to just get between his thighs and DO that stunted my growth as a human being. John Juedes wrote back and forth with me, He allowed me to be afraid. TO question things and he showed me anwers. This total stranger lovingly stroked my broken heart with a hand of healing as no minister had before or since. And when he came here and the PEOPLE ridiculed him, treated him as pond scum, because he called a liar a liar, a rapist a rapist and a thief a thief – well it was heart wrenching. But that doesn’t bother some of you because – let’s help Larry to “fit in” Give me a break! And guess what, I am NOT the one who brought up GROUP THINK it was Abi in her defense/testimony about what she feels people DID to Larry. What about how he treated John Juedes? And if we do want to include the “group think” argument, rather than people had similar opinions – not based on a group but independently arrived at these conclusions, then let us follow Abi’s example and call it “Group think” They (The groupthink) treated him worse than the mold in the basement because the “precious Vickstar” maybe dethroned. So, if your intent is to make me feel badly for LARRY – think again. I am still nauseated over the treatment of John Juedes, of Rascal –(who BTW has been tortured by groupthink each time she starts to post.), of Dmiller who Larry all but called him stupid because Dmiller disagreed with HIM. And don’t even tell me that Cman did not try to be kind. He was wonderful as Larry dissected him, as were many many others. Skyrider who can intellectually topple him, Sunesis whose personal experiences are being denied and treated like a doozie! But somehow, all of this gets lost here because of poor Larry. He doesn’t fit in. One thing, I learned YEARS ago, as I gathered people for Twig fellowship and would “love” them, drive them places, buy things for them, some of the loneliest people are lonely because they deserve to be. They have no friends because they run them off, they have no place to go because they destroy every place they have ever been. That is NOT the case with Abi as she is a delight. But everyone has felt a bit lost and looking for a place to go…. So, I do not have a special “sorry card” written up for Larry just because he did not fit in here. He barged in as a mean pompous azz. AGAIN for those who cannot HEAR – IT WAS HIS ATTITUDE NOT HIS OPINIONS. IT WAS HIS ATTITUDE NOT HIS OPINIONS. IT WAS HIS ATTITUDE NOT HIS OPINIONS. IT WAS HIS ATTITUDE NOT HIS OPINIONS. IT WAS HIS ATTITUDE NOT HIS OPINIONS. Just making sure everyone sees that as Tonto, T-bone, Cman and others have stated it repeatedly. There are people who defend the “underdog” because they can relate. It is difficult for those types of people to see a “user” when he is sitting in the same room. To those people, I truly think you are being fooled. I think you are being played by Larry. He knows just what to say, and to withhold, in manipulation. Some do not believe that is “him” in the interview, but the “him” who will win the most points. "Love" him if you want. I choose not to be an enabler. I choose not to be involved, except when he methodically dissects people for having a different opinion than his. I agree with Sirguessalot, it is like showing up at Cheers, peeing on the bar, and feigning ignorance. You are being played, may God guard your heart and keep you from harm. IMHO

And no place does it EVER state that LOVE is being a dormat for Larry, for VP or anyone else. I am glad you have kindness Dan but as you see your kindness being extended to Larry, I see mine being extended to the wake of people he injured

Abi I respect you and I like you but I do not agree with you regarding Larry. He can disagree. And it seems that you seem to think this thread, and absolute frustration, is all about people disagreeing with his views; it is not it is his condescending. Holier than thou, know-it-all attitude which has angered people. Yet, you keep going back to the argument of “group think” and truly I do not see how that fits here. It may have in the past, in other threads, on different days. But I really do not believe, for a second, it fits with Larry, nor do I believe it has been the complaint. He has come into a community with a slice and dice attitude and really savors the attention he gets. It is not the words it is the attitude and I feel T-bone, Tonto, and I have repeatedly stated that. T-bone and Tonto more effectively than I. It behooves me how you can view people who disagree with Larry as a “group think” but dismiss or not even acknowledge Mike, Oldiesman, Joniam, What the hey, and Another Dan as “group think”. Because if we are going to swing the topic from Larry’s attitude to accusing people of group think then let’s do it. Each time someone who KNEW VPW, or even served shoulder to shoulder with him reveals a caustic, diabolic nature, the “group think” people such as Oldies, Joniam, Jeaniam, What the hey etc... all jump on the band wagon, to defend VPW, because he taught them a video or audio class some years back. They forsake anything other than they got something from the class and fellowshiped with “like- minded” believers. (Heck. We all liked the class. But some day, after many many people share it was taken from BG Leonard -- you expect people to have a light bulb moment, rather than to FIGHT to hold onto error.) We have had, and currently have people on here, who KNEW VP stole the class and that the “group think” (that VPW ONLY contributed to their lives people), do not entertain the PROOF or testimonies – cause after all – they stood on VP’s shoulders and found God. GOD is the one who called them, and IMO, VP got in the way of the fullness of that calling. But nobody can even approach plagiarism, rape, stealing “the prophecy” etc. from VP --- because after all, "VP is the ONE who taught me the class via video." (He taught a stolen class, give praise to God for the contents and dam n the method?) In the Waydale days, Ralph D. shared the horror stories and the “group think” X-Wafers argued with him as if he were a heretic. So, Sunesis shares what she knows via Jim Dopp, and I know from personal experience and also spoke with Jimmy. And Larry posts the little man banging his head against a board. But, that seems to be okay with you. The fact that HE (Larry) comes out and pretty much says she is making the stuff up, even after Skyrider and John Juedes share things to SHOW him the man VP really was – Larry fights, not disagrees, but uses huge letters to show he might still be IN TWI. So, you seem to consider the fact that they are sharing FACTS and they are the same facts --- group think? I feel you have the players mixed up on the “group think” and maybe you need to ask yourself why? As you seem to suggest, others introspectively, see how they may have handled things differently. But we are not even talking about GROUPthink here; it is Larry’s incessant posts, the surly questions and the nastiness. He did not even KNOW VP, but he is an expert, but those who knew him, are really the “Group think” people, to you? And because Larry insults them and they/we all react with indignation – that is “group think?” -- It is a human response to him. Perhaps, it is “Group think” – of the human race He was so incredibly mean to Rascal and I sat by thinking, well, this is not my fight. But when the forums became the “Larry N Moore” show, and people I love were injured, I did speak up. And I will continue to do so. I love you dear, I really, really do, but in this case I simply feel you are wrong. And you may feel the same way about me, so we will have to disagree

By the way, I also knew Rev. Jimmy Dopp. And over dinner he told me the same things he told you, Sunesis. VPW was a creep, looking for a way to teach that God thought having porn type sex with anyone was okay, he wanted a sex empire, he wanted an empire, power and money. May he rot in hell. And I do not think he was ever born again either. I think he memorized a "tongue" I only wish I had found out about BG Leonard back in 1972 instead of VPW Imagine if the net were around in the 70's?

ex10 Are you sure? I have heard him say he was an aussie, was he born here and raised there?

yeah, ex that is one of the ones I was thinking of And how nervous did that make people?

I love this T-bone I am also VERY proud of Tonto! It took guts girl -- Feels good not to eat everything in front of you doesn't it? Edited to add, okay I found it, I clicked on "replies" on the About the Way page and it is amazing how many posts Larry has. Funny, he had to know this thread was pretty much about him as he sure stuck around... But go down on the topics and look who comes in #1 with posts, on the hotter topics This is creepy.

By the way, I believe it takes two to have an argument. And that may be a GREAT thing to teach kids, but sometimes you have to teach your kid how to make a fist and fight back. There are times for each. When in highschool we had HUGE racial tension and a group was doing things to us such as pushing us against the lockers and sticking their hands under our dresses. The girls who cried got it worse, and the ones who were "nice" it was endless. My father taught me how to fight back and they never touched me again. There is a time for everything. I think you did what you felt was right. So, did I. I see it like this, Larry was mean to a lot of people. It was the ATTITUDE. God had some people try to reach him. That is wonderful And when he continued to bark and snarl God sent in couple soldiers. It was all good. He was given chances. (And he has not left, he is on another thread right now.) I have no war with anyone who followed their heart in kindness or followed their heart in drawing a line and fighting back. BTW, just look at the attitude in post #9 on page one to Sunesis then down to Cman, this attitude is all over the board from telling Rascal he would SPIT in her basket, to insulting DMILLER - how can anyone insult him, he is so sweet. Bulwinkl on some thread, John Jueudes as a minister he should not have time to post -- he posted 44 times since 2006 and look at Larry's posts since May. The attitude is endless. It is not the opinions it is the attitude. I had board people telling me they were leaving because his attitude changed the whole complexion of the board. I am so thankful that Tonto started this thread. Lovely people were being melted by the flame and they were just talking. It was time he got what he dishes out. Sorry, think what you want of me, I still feel that way. Sometimes you turn the other cheek and sometimes you knock the table over. Sudo I am with you; don't let the door hit you in the arse

T-bone Moore likes assassinating forums, it is sport to him. He has spotty niceness and then shows his colors again. He plays people. Tonto did the right thing, and I do not apologize for one word I said, it is about time someone stood up to him rather than tried to make him a friend. So, for all those that did, my hat is off to you and thank you for your guts. Tonto: Do not let anyone try and make YOU feel badly just because they view things differently or their actions are different than yours. It may be right for them. They have no right to judge anyone else -- or frankly if we get into that, we could view others as kowtowing to a bully and sloughing aside old friends and acquaintances - in order not to step on the Goliath's toes. That is, should they decide that their actions were the ONLY correct ones. (Not that anyone is) -- I think people do what is right for them. For those that tried a hand of friendship, maybe that is what God worked in you, I am glad you followed your heart as Tonto, myself and others followed theirs.

Dooj I agree with you. I was timed in the corps. A 9th corps guy was really into that and he would, well, let people know if their int. was longer than their sit. The girl I work with is Spanish. We had to fire a client and I wrote a succinct 3-line note to let her know she is not a good fit for us. The interpretation? It was about 6 lines. She told me "different in Spanish" So, while we used OUR logic to put God's power into a box -- there is a good chance all of that was just plain wrong. We were all so smart in the Way, weren't we?

Hi Dooj! Love you!

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I don't buy it The whole knocking - ignored, poor me etc. thing.... He said he was into psychology didn’t he? You are being played If he gets thrown off the boards this quickly I guess he will not get the “plant” paycheck Like Sirguessalot said, it is like peeing on the bar at Cheers and claiming ignorance Do what you want, think what you will of me, I do not buy it

A great observation And an excellent question. Did you see Sirguessalot's analogy -- it is perfect You are cute Ham!

Amen to that Sirguess alot! And I LOVE the analogy of Cheers. Yes, when you think HE is crossing the line - report him. One poster should not have the power to stink up a whole community -- but peeing on the bar at Cheers would do exactly that. There are those of us who TRULY think he is a plant. I have not seen anyone post in volume or insidiously destroy threads with his surly questions and his endless venomous posts, since I have been here With the name Larry N. Moore -- perhaps it stands for Larry AND more.

I am ignoring you, but I have gotten notes from people who wanted to leave because of the way you treated them. I feel they have a right to be defended. So, yeah, you are right I paid too much attention to you. I will not glance at your posts. Have a nice life

post 1188 Still nothing worth reading.

post 1,185 Since May 2007 Is Twi paying you to post? I mean how could John Juedes have time to post? Being as he is a minister and all? Wasn’t that a query? Johnj – 44 posts member December 2006 How do you have time to post unless you are a paid forum assassin? Which group do you represent there, Tokyo Rose? AND Oh, and you were rotten to Dmiller and Bukwinkl... goes on and on.... and on.....

I must have missed picture day, I do not recall it and do not see myself Oh Martha Jacobson, Fran Luby. Ruthie R, Eldon Runkee, Dean Tallardeda, Pat Dunn --- where are they now? Anyone see Brenda Valentine (Bass?)

Yipee!! I am so happy!!!