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Rascal, ain't that the truth!?!

Okay, anyone else chuckle? :blink: Now, I cannot get the leaping Craig out of my mind. Blinking won't even help. AHHHhhhhhhh Crap!

Those poor kittens and cats How horrible....

I agree with the above :)

Ham ROTFL And yet this is so revealing - to see it written out, ya know?

PS Einstein avitar I have a peke whose tongue does not fit in her mouth either!

And therein lies the problem I see that happens on GS repeatedly. Some of the "forgive them" group use it as a weapon against the poor women who have been raped by VPW, or the poor men he did a "vasectomy" on It is not used as a helpful tool in healing but rather, AGAIN, another way to clobber the victim (How dare they talk about VP like this!!! I can't get them to shut up, so let's shame them into it. Ummmm if they forgave ---- then they would not still be talking about this stuff.... yeah, let's go that way.) There have been people, who did forgive TWI and have moved on with their lives, but they still render the tattooed numbers on their arms to show they have been in the camps (so-to-speak). They speak and tell people "Danger, Danger, warning Dr. Smith" (borrowed from Lost in Space) Or they put up a road sign warning of a danger ahead. Because they will talk about it, does not mean they have not forgiven, it means they LOVE enough to continue to warn and show people TWI was a hurtful mechanism in our lives. The VP apologist need for them to shut up as well, so they come in and NO YOU HAVE NOT forgiven or you would not continue to discuss "The evils of TWI" You would throw it away - as far as the east is from the west and remember it no more. It sounds to me like those demons, errr people, want the dark stuff to remain a secret so they can go on doing the same harmful things and continue the work of VPW. In helping in a rape center, believe me, part of the healing is to speak about it, be validated and then recognize it WAS NOT your fault. I think the same applies with many other figurative "rapes". So, when I see people "attack" a victim when they finally, or again, muster the courage to speak, it is HARMFUL, non-healing, cult like, mean behavior, spoken again to leave the dark things thrive in the dark and SHAME the nonresponsible victims into silence, unwarranted guilt and shame (destroying them) Now, we can look at forgiveness as a productive healthy tool -- but I rarely see that "forgiveness" ever being offered to the posters here. Instead, it is the f-you, you haven't forgiven my hero, therefore YOU are "once again" the problem -- forgiveness weapon used to bludgeon.

I could not agree with you more, about your whole post Thanks for sharing the whited selpulchers thingy VERY interesting

IMHO I think maybe there are a few things being addressed here: Forgiveness in general - which is a good thing Christian thing. I am sorry but I wrecked your car and will pay for the damages Forgiveness extended to people who never asked -- which to me seems optional. Such as we had a bully on the bus whom I have long since forgiven, we have seen forgiveness given which was not asked for, and perhaps forgiveness withheld because there was NO or not an honest repentance. Forgiveness being USED as a chastizment - to once again place the victim in sillent bondage. "I was raped, I can finally talk about it." The response, "Have you forgiven them? Because that will set you free." There is a long road between the two cities. I was raped, denial, anger, self-hatrred, self blame, then to STOP being the victim one needs to place the blame on the responsible party (that is freeing) And the confusion of some who see "disscussing a situation" as having never forgiven at all. "Such as VPW was a self-serving criminal." Perhaps long since forgiven, but just because he WAS forgiven does it change him from being a self-serving criminal? Naw... However, when mentioned some respond, "Well then, you have not forgiven him, or you would not bring it up." I believe repentance should not be lost in the Christain walk. Maybe it is optional to the forgivee.... I may or may not forgive you, if you have of have not repented. Is repentance a requirement or an option?

Groucho Teeheee (The Oj thing)

Police Say Man Fed Cats to His Pit Bulls By Associated Press http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gGEkyJE...UYTbJhcpWbXtveQ Tye Hilmo is shown Thursday, Sept. 20, 2007, in ... LAWRENCEVILLE, Ga. - A man captured neighborhood cats and kittens and fed them live to his pit bulls, authorities said Thursday. Tye Hilmo, 21, was charged Thursday with aggravated cruelty to animals. Hilmo was already in jail on drug, firearm and probation violation charges, Gwinnett County sheriff's spokeswoman Stacey Bourbonnais said. The new warrant charges that Hilmo "did give injured live cats and kittens to his pit bull dogs and let the pit bulls kill the already injured cats and kittens. Hilmo would capture and injure neighborhood cats for this purpose." He was arrested Sept. 10 after investigators serving a search warrant on his house found guns and two pounds of marijuana, Bourbonnais said. He has been jailed since then. Authorities found the bodies of two kittens near Hilmo's residence. Bourbonnais said they also found a gruesome image on Hilmo's cell phone: a picture of one of his pit bulls and one of the mauled, dead kittens, and beneath picture a caption that says "Good Dog." "It's pretty disturbing," Bourbonnais said. The initial tip about Hilmo indicated he may be feeding kittens and cats to his dogs to prepare the dogs for fighting, but no dogfighting charges have been leveled against Hilmo, Bourbonnais said. Sheriff's officials could not immediately say whether Hilmo has an attorney.

Thanks Behappy I am doing a one person "wave" in my kitchen! A big AMEN

Twinky, blowing you a kiss!!!

There is a difference between discussing "the crime" and not learning, wanting or lacking the ability to "forgive" I find the "forgive them" argument against people reporting "the crime" to be shallow. It seems as though, some posters want us to hold hands and in a Cumbia camp song, and pretend all was well in Weirwille land. It wasn’t and from all reports continues to stink. But for some, whose biggest offense they have had to endure was surrendering their “blue book”, and another to be drugged and raped, I do not think one has the right to dictate to the other “you need to forgive”. It is being used (on this board- for years) as a tool to beat the victim into silence and feeling bad – that somehow it is their responsibility that they were raped. However, when I point this out, some people PM me about how their confusion is finally cleared, while others continually fight telling me, "I need to cling to the positives and forgive." What an “almost” truth. What a statement to the left of honesty, which condemns people for sharing what they SAW, and chastises a victim for not "**forgiving" the perpetrator. (**forgiving, according to how THEY want to see your forgiveness -- i.e., if you discuss the crime, the pain or even the deliverance, then it is apparent to them -- that you did not forgive "correctly" So, they will take the time to point THAT out, which then takes the heat off of the exposing "the darkness" -- and changes things to be about -- once again how wonderful VP was, or how his crimes were not that big a deal, or how --- well like Vp would argue -- Whatsoever things are pure think on those things -- what a subtle way to give TWI wiggle room and put the "injured" on trial.) Yes, the Amish were great in that area. But it was different. Here (GS) we still have cloudy Christians, crawling out from under the toxic cloud of lies, which need to hear how TWI perpetuated evil, condemnation, lies and cover-ups over the course of decades. With the Amish, in that ONE incident, people are not still in a organization or situation where daily people are still being shot, or perhaps they would have forgiven, but decided to fight so they would stop having their kids shot daily. If TWI had one incident of a horrible sin, such as what happened to Marsha on John Juedes web site, then I betcha, most everyone, much like the Amish, would have forgiven them for this one HORRIBLE incident. And perhaps, that one incident would have been used as a measure of where they never wanted to go again. The comparison of the Amish (although horrid) is like apples and oranges here. One was a horrible day, the other, torturous, calculated decades of destructive patterns and “acceptable” sin

Be Happy, welcome I see people, that demand or direct others to “forgive,” on this forum has been, by some posters, a veiled insult. It seems to be the attitude of some of the VP apologists. It is a twisted pretzel; they see VP’s sins as minimal, and marginally true. They think that all sin is equal, so if I took a quarter from my mother’s purse, that is just as bad, in God’s eyes, as raping a child of God seeking your help as a minister. In that line of thought, therefore, because all have sinned, then all should forgive. I think this is a veiled insult to minimize the DAMAGE done by an evildoer, by some here. They think, if you really forgave someone – you would not point out the sin… So, when some poster wants to sing the praises of VP or Craig, and someone who has lived the truth of what these people were really about, reports it.... It is then twisted into --- you need to “forgive” What a twisted concept to keep the perpetrator from being exposed. Keep the injured silent... Have them "stuff" the crimes committed against them, into the dark secret places of the soul. This keeps them injured, keeps then from speaking up, then some of you say they are injured because they do not forgive... They are injured because THEY WERE injured. They remain injured because you will not let them speak, And when they venture out to speak, you hit them with "you need to forgive".... in an effort to silence them again. Sounds real CHRISTIAN but I see it as extremely harmful behavior. If I bring up, what I believe to be calculated brick laying of deception, then according to some, I have not forgiven. If I want to warn others or help the injured to get the validation they need – then according to some .....I have not forgiven. I think the forgiveness issue is USED as a cheap shot to get people to stop shining the light on what REALLY happened, so it can continue. However, if I/others have worked things out with God and believe it necessary to show people the “trick,” why can’t a person, who is a forgiving person, do that? Instead we are judged as not being forgiving and if we forgave we would be over it. Many are OVER it. We speak out when VP is cantonized, then our accusers say "you need to forgive...." I think that is a lot of the issue – "YOU cannot be a forgiving person, if you still speak of the crime.” I do not agree. God LOVED David, he was the apple of his eye. God forgave him, but he recorded his sin for all of mankind to SEE forever. He had Uriah killed. And the consequences cost him the life of his child with Bathseba --- So, did God forgive David? Because according to some, repetitive posters here, they see discussing things somehow proves LACK of forgiveness. I do not think God sees it as such. God forgave David, and yet has left it in the Bible, to be discussed for all time. Discussing Weirwille’s evil is not akin to being an unforgiving person.

I have not seen many cedar trees in Atl. There are tons of skinny pine trees What about a desert place like vegas?

This was really really funny:

Tonto I guess you have not read the posts I already told Dan I was making a post ABOUT the WRONGNESS of groupthink. He probably does NOT belong in any group, he seems to be an idependent thinker. My point was to illustrate "groupthink" is wrong and I did not bring it up, Abi did in directing "groupthink" at people who found Larry offensive or whatever.

Word Wolf This is GREAT stuff!

Cool, you mean the injustice of Larry's actions affected more than ONE person at the same time? Cool, God was working in more than one heart!Praise God! People were at the same time trying to report what looked-to-be like a troll and a forum assassin? They reported what THEY saw, how it affected them, and they tried to protect Greasespot? I find that awesome! I had no idea that even one person asked Paw to ban him. Well done! The reason I kept confronting him is he got a dose of his own medicine and he could not handle it. Like the bully on the playground, he is one until someone stops him. Mmmmm my motives were bad but I am sure his were pure... After all he has shown to be such a nice guy. You will have to talk to Dooj herself, but I imagine she had enough as well. Pm's - groupthink And yet it was fine for you and Larry (and it appears another guy) to have pm's about the retaliatory posts LArry was getting, it was okay for YOU to talk about it -- Just not anyone else? Mmmmm okay... <_< Seems to me – Larry arrived spewing insults. People were taken back. Some people wanted to leave and not fight back, some tried to hold their own, some ignored him hoping he would mellow. He continued to spew. People, independently, were tired of it. They began to tell him to back off. Because he offended SO MANY, it may have appeared to be a “gang” because he insulted a “gang” of people. People, who for the most part, had not been tied together by anything other than posting here. Tonto started a thread because of the ATTITUDES. She was kind enough not to put Larry’s name in the title. But Larry came to this thread and in 77 posts he showed he was fearless, determined and arrogant. Some people fought back, I am included. Enough is enough. Some people seemed to cower at his Craig-like demeanor and a few defended him. Larry insulted people and trashed threads. The defense? It wasn’t Larry it was we did not make him feel welcome. WE had “groupthink” and that is why we were insulted (to stupid to get insulted on our own) We got Pm’s that swayed our opinion of Larry And finally WE ganged up on HIM. So WE did this to HIM. I find the defense weak and insulting. It is the Twinky defense that opened the door to the “no responsibility for your actions” defenses you see in court today. They killed them out of “black rage” She killed him because of “post traumatic stress” He killed him them because "of a sleep disorder…" And my favorite, the one that started it all, he killed them because "he ate too much junk food and the sugar is to blame…. Twinky defense” Larry did this to Larry. People did not like being insulted. They came to that conclusion ON THEIR OWN. IF someone tells you, “if you pass the basket I will spit in it!” Do you need “groupthink” to understand you were insulted? Do you NEED a pm so you can figure out Larry insulted you? And if a few people had ENOUGH at the same time, is that ganging up on someone? He insulted people and ran all over the board ruining discussions. Larry did this to Larry. Larry happens to be x-way but he is also a “troll” so-to-speak. The arguments protecting him are weak and insulting. First Larry insults us, then the defense reiterates that we are weak and easily led, not even smart enough to SEE on our OWN that we were insulted. What a Twinky defense…. Sorry kids, I am not interested in swamp land in Florida either. BTW Great insight Word Wolf Good post Sunesis, I agree

Re: Pm's Welllll Nowwww.... Hate to say it, but... That is also insulting. Does anyone see themselves as so WEAK that getting a pm would make you dislike someone? You could each write me 100 pm's about how great Larry is, it will not sway me. I find him to be offensive. Likewise, 100 of you could write to me bad things about Sunesis and I would still like her (nobody has Sun) Is anyone that weak? Do you view yourself as that weak? I think most of us ADULTS here are old enough to formulate our own opinions. Case in point, for years people have told me how great VP is, I still think he isn't. If it WERE that easy, with this crowd, Oldies would burn his PFAL books, Exxie would hang a picture of VP in her den, and Mike would become a dedicated Catholic. This is a forum not a sandbox, although at times..... No, Larry got what he dished out and there is no "abuse excuse" to give him any wiggle room. IMHO No, Twinky excuse! I don't buy it, sorry....

Happy Feet are dancing everywhere!

RG No offense, but I do not think I need to go on an excavation to SEE someone who is mean and insulting. It is not my job to dig and try to find the caramel center. People can if they want to do so. But you come in like a skunk, who just lost a load on everyone, then you get what you get. There are many more wonderful people here who are “just wonderful”. If anyone needs help THAT badly then go see someone. (not speaking OF you, but TO your post, thanks :) ) (((EXXIE)))) (((((CMAN))))) I agree I kept waiting and waiting as he decked Rascal then Sunesis, then Buklwinkl, then Dmiller.... Enough is enough.