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You might be making this up just to hurt Dylan. I do not believe you, I think your thoughts might be fuzzy. I am not calling you a liar, its just there is no proof of anything you say, so I choose to think it is not an accurate post.

I agree

I vote Boot them if they can not even bend a little bit

See that is the EXACT crap that p ss es people off WD - to cast doubt as if it was/can be a fuzzy memory You degrade people, you cleverly call them liars with your constant crap. Thus a thread like this was started. Didn't it even make you take a step back and MAYBE for one minute think you have become MEAN? You have a lot of people sick of you, I dunno maybe it is time to take a step back and look at what you are doing....

My memory is not FUZZY I have told how VP told us what HE did to his kids. And it has been deleted. Excath was there and HEARD the same sharing from VP's own mouth. He was teaching the corps it was OKAY because he did ...... He taught his..... by showing her how her ........ get hard.... by him touching them..... Then, he brought up culture. and how some African tribes "deflower" their daughters.... etc. I will get deleted. No fuzzy sh it about it. It made my skin crawl

It is reminiscent of the Mike days when he argued about PFAL Only it is WD and he is stuck on this Court of law thing. Between the two (WD and Mike), I am not sure if one is more destructive (certainly both have ruined threads). And yet, I do not think either one is necessarily a bad person -- WD was very sweet when he first came, it is like he morphed into this "Webster dictionary" . Not a better human being, but one who gravitated to legalism - and the legalism is to defend a cult -- not a church with a couple flaws but a cult. It amazes me. And he truly does not see the harm he does to injured people. I think the WD who first came here would be shocked at the WD that presents today. Where OD has shown growth, IMO. Cults are bad. Defending them idiotic - to me. Then, to say you are not defending them BUT in a court of law... Seems to be a bent, hard-hearted, perspective especially, when people who were injured, suffer all over again.

Song to relax http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSdKMzVbQdI Michelle Tumes - Lovely

Linda, you DO have a strong point Oldies does seem to show some heart toward the victim but WD is like talking to a brick wall.

Rocky!!!! OMG!!!! Brillant!!!!!

I am the one who called you a BIG leader! You were...

Your precepts are reasonable, perhaps ecclesiastical, definitely noble but have not been followed... So, although lofty and easily read on paper, apparently impossible for the apologist to observe considering the LONG history of attacks on the victims - as the architecture of social mores seems to elude them. And that is where Groucho is- When the people do not hold their tongue and attack victims telling their stories is endless... then he is suggesting an action on the victims behalf, such as the boot to those who cannot control themselves REPEATEDLY. Not now and then having a flare, but severe violations on a consistent basis. I think their violations help to expose TWI for the warped thinking with which it has plagued its followers. But he is proposing an even more severe resolve. I think it a merited suggestion even though I am not saying I agree with the boot "today" but if safety precautions are established in telling of ones story and they continue to violate that, then I agree with Groucho. Groucho does not have a need to compete to be right at all costs, nor to pontificate his brand of logic. He does not need to have the last word or is even seeking favor in the eyes of the reader. He feels for the victim and is sick of the abuse, as are many. (period)

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Rascal :) I love ya!

And I knew Marsha who was ripped to shreds by those apologist guys Oh, and responding to you in the same ilk - Abi You might be Rosie posting as Abi to defend the defenders of VP -meeting with WD who might be Craig and Oldiesman who might be Howard... in your own mini-ROA to exchange Strategies - responding in kind to your words - afterall, it is the net... Where does it all end?

I was in the corps with Sky he is who he says he is. I was in the corps with son of the master he is who he says he is. I was under Don't worry - he has done what he says he has done I knew and hung out with Jim Dopp he did do and live through what he said he lived through I was on limb staff and in the corps with Excath - she lived through what she says she lived through I know Sunesis' friends in the 7th corps who laid down for VP and then the women were ordained - I was on staff when they were in my state I lived with an early corps female Rev. who was a VP pimp and the most disgusting creature in the corps. And even if YOU or anyone out there does not know me personally -- And if I shared who I was - that would help how? does anyone really think that all these strangers got together to say the same thing over and over - that is a bigger stretch than just believing perhaps the things shared here are true. I will not excuse them out of their behavior towards victims - do I see how they fell into the dark abyss? Certainly. Does that give them the right to try to keep others from climbing out? NOT at all.

Lifted said I do have a problem with the apologists and THEIR apologists, although I like most of your posts Lifted up. I have never seen such cold-hearted, stick-their-head-in-the-sand cultists as I did in TWI and the very few here. We have had countless give testimony about VP's behavior and YOU people think it may or may not be true? Son of the Master told of all the women hurt and countless of first hand stories he heard, Don't worry told us. Skyrider shared things as a BIG leader in the Cult - but that was not enough! EVEN Jim Dopp shared what happened!!! Then, the women, incl me, shared account after account of the abuse FIRST HAND and that was not enough. What kind of MIND does not GET THIS? YOU HAVE THE FORMER LEADERS TELLING YOU WHAT HAPPENED. THEN, THE FORMER VICTIMS and STILL you take a drunken scumbag and believe he is blameless and what ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE HAD WHAT? A mini- private ROA to discuss how to come on here and "group" lie to convince the small remedial minds of the few that there was evil in them there hills? Give me a break Most of the apologist’s logic? They learned something in PFAL. So, we showed you that the class was stolen -- if you were delivered whom to actually thank... Then, even with side by side pages of books that have been shown here - the apologist argue - yeah, well the Bible is for everyone and they could have come up with the same teaching? Even though VPW called Johnny Jump up and Maggie Muggins from BG's class... Dear God, the DNA test of the sperm deposits on the raped women would not convince you people. You would retort the sperm might be from a willing participant because sperm cannot talk. So, when people are being delivered and set free by talking - LEAVE THEM ALONE. HAVE ENOUGH heart to back off and that means the couple guys who believe they have a form of godliness in their expression of indignation to the accounts sited by these former leaders and victims. What part on insensitive, heartless and mean are you having a problem with? You think we are when we say VPW was those things - and yet you are all of those things. Now, like any good apologist with a Webster’s dictionary I suppose ONE apologist will come on with the meanings of a few words I choose. Or to ask for specific places he said EXACTLY this or that.... It is an on going tortured endless stream of meanness toward the victims, Groucho has a problem with and so do most people I believe.

Groucho just wrote this on WD's thread I absolutely agreeRocky said I absolutely agree

Interesting... I thought they were showing it in a skit - no where did I see them making fun of it They showed it then the people worship at the end, going from created to worshiping the creator

for your viewing pleasure http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?view...8b08e8d8a5f1705

As always great post

Strong point Rummy

I like the song- Do you like her hair? My girl did my blonde with all the dark in the back underneath part and I think it looks stupid http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?view...20your%20friend.

Oh hahaha

kisses!

To me this video shows "our GS sister" wanting to be set free.... And the "father" who does it for her, is those who have fought for her to be "free" But there are those who would deflate the boat, flatten the tire, or put thorns on the path so that this crippled soul might never be free. This is how powerful I see Paw's ministry - and ours - here. And how destructive the apologists can be... They actually hinder or try to hinder the beauty of the stories of deliverance or worse - try to stop it from happening again http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?view...faca5dd9ea45513