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I surely feel it was over used in TWI And I do think in some circles it is misused today. The term seems to connote a special place - perhaps a place of reverence you hold for that person. Not always wrong as Geshia pointed out "best friend" but something does change when it is "Father IN THE WORD" I think we are instructed to avoid that. What great replies!! thank you!!!

Now I posted this and it did not show up - so if I post this and it appears twice I am sorry. Then ignore this one and do the other. Why are we told to "seek the face" of God? Is it because as you are face to face you cannot hide anything. You are open to he who looks at us? Why not "seek God" Seek the LORD and his strength, seek his face continually. -- 1 Chronicles 16:11 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. -- 2 Chronicles 7:14 When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek. -- Psalms 27:8 Seek the LORD, and his strength: seek his face evermore. -- Psalms 105:4 I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early. -- Hosea 5:15 Here are some things that happen in a face to face John 6:40 Will of God: "every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life." John 14:21 "he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him and will manifest myself to him." Matt. 5:8 (3 Ne. 12:8) the pure in heart shall see God Heb. 12:14 "follow peace and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord." Gen. 12:7 Lord appeared unto Abraham Daniel 10:5,6 Daniel sees the Lord; describes his appearance. Ezek. 1:1 Ezekiel sees "visions of God." Acts 7:55 Stephen sees "God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God." Gen. 26:2 Isaac sees the Lord. Gen. 28:13 Jacob sees the Lord in a dream. Gen. 31:24 "God came to Laban the Syrian in a dream by night" Gen. 32:30 Jacob: "I have seen God face to face" Gen. 35:9 "God appeared unto Jacob again." Exodus 3:2 Moses "angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire" "the bush burned with fire [but] was not consumed." Exo. 24:9-17 Moses, Aaron, Nabab, Abihu, 70 of the Elders of Israel, and nobles of the children of Israel "saw God . . . and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of sapphire stone; and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness." "sight of the glory of the Lord was like devouring fire on the top of the mountain in the eyes of the children of Israel." 1 Kings 3:5 "Lord appeared to Solomon in a dream by night." 2 Chron. 1:7 "God [did] appear unto Solomon." Num. 11:25 "Lord came down in a cloud" Num. 12:6,8 "If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream . . . and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold." 1 Sam. 3:21 "And the Lord appeared again in Shiloh" to Samuel Ezek. 1:26-28 Ezekiel sees throne of God, sapphire stone, as the appearance of a man, brightness of a fire, as the appearance of a rainbow around. Amos 9:1 Amos sees the Lord Acts. 7:2 God appeared to Abraham 2 Chron. 18:18 Micaiah said, "I saw the Lord sitting upon his throne, and all the hosts of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left." Moses 7:4 Enoch sees the Lord Abr. 1:15 Abraham sees Jehovah Moses 8:22 Shem, Ham, and Japeth "walked with God" Daniel 7:9 Daniel "beheld...the Ancient of days...whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool: his throne was like a fiery flame...thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand [100 billion] stood before him: the judgment was set" Daniel 3:22,25 after Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were thrown into the fire, the king's counselor said, "I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire . . . and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God." Moses 1:5 "No man can behold all my woks except he behold all my glory, and no man can behold all my glory, and afterwards remain in the flesh on the earth." 1 Ne. 2:16 the Lord "visits" Nephi. 2 Ne. 2:4 Jacob "hast beheld in they youth his glory" 1 Ne. 1:8 Lehi "saw God"

Rummie I am laughing my azz off!

M--list You write so well and what a great post

I also thought I hit a button or something - all of a sudden it looked like the board needed vitamins. Rocky mine either. But I like the blue better than the fade green I only have default which makes it blue and denium which makes it pale green I don't even recall what it was before - wasn't it gray or something?

But Kim what if the intent of the heart is wrong and people use scripture to hold others in spiritual servtitude by becoming "their spiritual father" I want to know if it is biblically based for very real reasons (that which I posted is not the whole story). You can call anyone YOU want "Father in the Word" or "mother" or worship a pancake with the likeness of Christ. :) that is your choice but I want to know IF SCRIPTURE supports the "father in the word" being used. Thanks Word Wolf and George.

Am I wrong here - Now the confusion may lie in Paul’s relationship with Timothy. But again PAUL is the one who recognized TIMOTHY as his “son” in the faith. Not the other way around, plus this did not happen often. It was very infrequent. How many times did these peoople refer to themselves as father in the word? Plus what happened in this church was a woman referred to the "guest pastor" as her father in the word

Everyone see what I see? Pale green and some purple? Just making sure

Is father in the word biblically based? I heard someone else use it at church recently -- wigged me out a bit

I love your story!

I get them and yes I was told it was spirits

says Type 2: The Helper. The caring, nurturing type. I dunno...

Happy Birthday to a very "young" man! (((((( you)))))

Oh gosh! I wanna go. Let me see what I can figure out...

Seems to me that God allows for divorce but not adultery. There is no scripture that says under THESE conditions - go ahead and sleep together. But he does say there are conditions where you can divorce ... and a spouse commiting adultery is one. Seems like IT is worse.

I found the article interesting, I do not agree with it all. Thought, as they brought up, Satanic blindness - it might be an addition here.

http://bible-truths.com/lake9.html?gclid=C...CFQYdswodqG1sqw

Love this Good to use if you ever need to say you are sorry

Don't get how to post the little box so I hope this gets you there Love this commercial!!! Youtube.com Fart in bed AND THIS Youtube.com farting in bed !!!!! I saw this years ago and I still laugh!

Bow- I love what you found!!! All these guys/gals who run around and say they cannot divorce because... But they can screw around... George I am laughing at your post.

Sunesis - to your opening post On another Forum I go to they have a section "Christians only" Maybe we should have a section like that. And one for people who still favor TWI When we want to brawl we can go to the about the way or a more open forum I hope Geisha sticks around

Geisha I recall TWI talking about "another Jesus" and it took me awhile to figure out they were the ones teaching about the unpowerful, tag at the end of prayer, one. They had me convinced, around the time of the Jesus Freaks, that anyone speaking of Jesus too much - or talking about HIM more than God were worshiping the creature more than the creator. I think I know where by you speak. I had Jesus patches on my blue jeans and worshipped Jesus directly. I was corrected - by TWI. The Jesus they taught was my brother, equal to me, a requirement in Romans 10: 9-10 to be born again and a tag at the end of a prayer. I switched my prayer life to "Heavenly father...." From "Lord Jesus...." as a result of the instruction I got.

Cry on my shoulder http://www.imeem.com/pkl/music/9FN9pXP9/cry_on_my_shoulder/

Penguin - I really GET that!! Eyes I soooo get that as well!Sun - I have an NIV but I like the one he sent me so much better - did you know there is also a soul care Bible so you can help people?

Kimberly! That was cute, of course post away - I just did not want the TWI doctrine lovers turning this into another of their circus threads Too many people have struggled with the inability to read the Bible after TWI and I wanted to talk about that...