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Cman That is very interesting

Socks, you also made good points and I do think it is significant that divorce is NOT in the 10 commandments but adultery is..

You are right - he who runs with rum: It comes down to love your neighbor as yourself (and implied YOURSELF as your neighbor) I cannot imagine telling someone to go ahead and go home into the "h e l l hole" of a marriage and God will bless you because you did not break a "vow" If there is abuse as you spoke of -- then get out. And if God is a meany who only blesses you if you keep a vow? Well, then get out and ask for forgiveness. IMHO

I like this Mia girl more than I like My Chemical Romance but it is their song My Chemical Romance I Don't Love You Lyrics: Well, when you go dont ever think I'll make you try to stay And maybe when you get back I'll be off to find another way When after all this time that you still owe You're still the good-for-nothing I don't know So take your gloves and get out Better get out While you can When you go Would you even turn to say "I don't love you Like I did Yesterday" Sometimes I cry so hard from pleading So sick and tired of all the needless beating But baby when they knock you Down and out It's where you oughta stay And after all the blood that you still owe Another dollar's just another blow So fix your eyes and get up Better get up While you can Whoa, whoa When you go Would you even turn to say "I don't love you Like I did Yesterday" Well come on, come on When you go Would you have the guts to say "I don't love you Like I loved you Yesterday" Say,I don't love you Like I loved you Yesterday Say, I don't love you Like I loved you Yesterday Lyrics: I Don't Love You, My Chemical Romance [end]

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I am a Bapacostal So, when I go to a Baptist church they are great but lack power as they hang back to the left of pentecost. So, then I go to a pentecostal place and well, they have all been a little too much for me the other way. Something spiritual and I am not sure which spirit... One I went to had "barking and howling". And at first I thought I had found my place!!!! Then, I nearly knocked people down running out the door :) So, I went back to the Baptists but if someone gets sick they just make soup and do not minister prayer..... Back and forth I go... Then, today as I was complaining to God I realize that I am never going to find the perfect place and perhaps as long as it is not too far to the left or right I can go and just WORSHIP God.

What if you were slapped around by your family and forced to marry someone? You NEVER loved them. You pray that the lord take you home and you keep “your arranged marriage” as some kind of dirty secret?. Are you married? To me, you are no more married than if you were held at gun point and forced to perform a homosexual act – then you are expected to be homo sexual. Yet, Christians found in arranged marriages from other countries have gone to counseling to the church and been told that God will not “approve of their divorce” and if one divorces the other God will not “allow” then to get married again. You might think “oh so what?”, but suppose it is a Chinese or Indian or African Christian Minister who is so unhappy he prays to “go home” and nobody knows. Arranged Marriages and Divorce. When do we stop telling people what to do? Will God allow these people to get divorced and fall in love? Look how desperate these people are -- Dad kills daughter who wanted out of arranged marriage http://www.topix.com/forum/prisons/united-...88K15QAGGCSDV2N Dad charged with bride's 'honor killing' A Pakistani man accused of killing his daughter because she wanted out of an arranged marriage told a judge Tuesday that he had done nothing wrong. http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/08/honor.killing/index.html "Apparently she and the father had argued over the marriage and the fact that it was arranged, and at some point during the altercation he did end up killing his daughter," said Clayton County Police spokesman Tim Owens. http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/queen...1696058391.html Arranged marriage ends in murder He claims he was provoked into the attack by his wife's admissions she was having an affair and had never found him attractive during their arranged marriage. 'Vile murder' of girl set for arranged marriage.(News) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime...red-769724.html A MUSLIM teenager who feared she was being forced into an arranged marriage by her parents suffered a "vile murder", a coroner said yesterday. Coroner for East and South Cumbria Ian Smith said the concept of an arranged marriage was "central" to the circumstances leading up to the death of 17-year-old Shafilea Ahmed. Her body was discovered after heavy floods washed away the dense undergrowth it was http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-56...oms-murder.html Arranged marriage bride and lover arrested over teenage groom's murder Arranged marriage http://en.allexperts.com/q/Breakup-Deal-Br.../Confused-13.ht

Sorry, this whole thing struck a nerve The terrible thing about a religious conman/woman is what they rip from the soul of the vulnerable person who humbly seeks the Lord. There are many conmen/woman and I am sure most of us have seen "America’s Most Wanted" when they have shown a sweetheart swindler and felt for those poor “bewitched” people. And at the same time perhaps thought how you could NEVER be that stupid. I guess it just depends how desperately you need something. Or how long you have wanted it and how long you have lived without it. I had a man tell me that heart bandits usually hit on women who are a little over-weight. Maybe newly divorced and who have not had a compliment in years. They are still off kilter and so vulnerable. All you have to do is tell them they are pretty, make them feel loved and important and before you know it they are in “love”. They will believe anything, give generously, and put up with all kinds of crap for small verbal tokens of feigned affection. “Good morning gorgeous.” “Let’s look at some houses on line and see where we would like to live.” “What do you want for your birthday?” “Oh, I am sorry, I forgot.” “Listen, I am a little short this month…” Then, if they tire of you they just cut and run - to the next mark. Now add God to that. “I was praying last night and I know you are the woman for me. God showed me a plan for our lives.” “God wants me to teach you about love” “God showed me, if we are going to be together you have to learn to submit to my voice.” and the like. Then, if and when one might tire of you -- "God told me to break up with you!" "God showed me you are not THE one." "You are not spiritual enough to support my ministry" and things of that ilk. http://www.bookrags.com/wiki/Elmer_Gantry Or if your child is sick and you need divine healing, as the Doctors shake their heads and say there is no hope, and someone seeks you out as a target for money. It is all horrible. "God showed me I would be the one to heal your child. Did you tithe off the money you got from the land you sold to pay the hospital bill?" But what is the worst, IMO, is it takes beautiful people who have tender hearts for a wonderful God and attacks the trust and the sweet childlike innocence of people who truly need help. And our wonderful God-- who CAN truly help them-- and REAL people --who truly do reach out their hand in loving faith-- get scoffed, mocked or discounted in the pile with the frauds. We miss so much of the genuine because of the pain these counterfeits cause --it is nutty. It seems like we should rise up and say I do not care if 100 of you imbeciles send your snake oil, I still believe that there is a Jesus who loves me who has the genuine love and if I spend my whole life looking and still do not find “a group” I still know HE loves me. But somehow these snake oil salesman eat our internal organs when we are maimed and we forget to fight our way back up. Or we are too weary. And if we do not fight our way back up then all the Elmer Gantry’s, sweetheart swindlers and creeps everywhere win. I don’t want them to win. Jesus not only died to give you a NEW life but he died for the pain that someday you would feel as a result of this stupid cult we were in. And all these Elmer’s win each time someone decides to fall and is too weak to stand again, or too hurt to try God’s love again because the fraud’s have convinced them it does not exist. This is what breaks my heart. When the Elmers convince people God is a mean God who is only interested in sex or money and is self serving. God is a God of love. GOD LOVES YOU!!!! HE WOULD NEVER HURT ANY OF US!!! Remember: Let all things be tested; keep to what is good; Bible in Basic English 1 Thessalonians 5:21 The Christian test: Mathew7:22-23 21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me,you evil doers!' (What proves you are a Christian? hmmmmm not great prophesy, or casting out of spirits, or even miracles) Remember what Jesus said. John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. (Not if you prophesy or have great revelations.) So what is the proof of Christianity? It is love 1 Corinthians 13: 4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 8 Charity never faileth... (Sorry for the loquacious post.)

Thanks Ex that is my FAVORITE song Thanks Bul Good time, eh? I am so glad you had a great time!!! We are still 17 at heart. huh?

One of the saddest songs I've ever heard. Bul What is the name of the song? I went to put it on favorites to send it out as I like it and I do not see its name

I stumbled on this http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...endid=176765962 Press down album!!! Pressed Down, Shaken Together And Running Over

Belle You are gorgeous! For your birthday: "Life is short, Break the rules, Forgive quickly, Kiss slowly, Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably, and NEVER regret anything that made you smile. Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here, we should dance". Dot

Jeff We brought Arrogant John out to CA to talk after all of the stuff was openly known. (sex etc. stuff) John sat and told me how he was NEVER ever involved in any of it. He was very convincing. Only I KNEW he was and I confronted him and told him with WHOM he had had been "involved". He asked, "Who else knows this?" I said something like half or most of the 11th corps. THEN He came out with some sort-of acknowledgement letter or tape that he HAD been involved in it and how sorry he was or whatever. At the moment I just cannot recall, I think it was a letter. But to me, it looked as if he had no intentions of ever revealing his involvement let alone recanting its adversarial affects on the body of believers. HOWEVER AFTER, I put his feet to the fire then he had a “sudden” change of heart. Which makes me skeptical if it had anything to do with an issue of the heart or was more about his personal survival. (money, livelihood, what to do with his life, his profession as a minister if you will). Since then, and many moons have transpired, he may have had a legitimate change of heart. I no longer know him and frankly he would be a stranger to me now. I do not know if he is still arroagant or just looking for answers in the swamp lands like the rest of us. Ex I am glad you said that, I thought it was my 'puter. Mine is jumping as well. What is that?

Since last night at 8:00 pm to 2:00 am in the morn I have done nothing but listen to Celtic Thunder Then, I got up at 9:00 am and started all over I am addicted We have so lost the deliciousness of lyrics, the art of telling the tales of the heart in music with our stupid songs about killing cops and banging broads... ya know? Anyway this is a musical presentation. There are about 25 songs by them on youtube I hope you enjoy them. My favorites Like a Bird without wings http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La_mo0HdR18...ADE&index=8 Like a bird without wings That longs to be flying, Like a motherless child Left lonely and crying. Like a song without words, Like a world without music, I wouldn’t know what to do I’d be lost without you Watchin’ over me. (George sings harmonies here) I get so lonely, when you’re away I count every moment, I wait every day, Until you’re home again And hug me so tight That’s when I know Everything is alright. Like a bird without wings That longs to be flying, Like a motherless child Left lonely and crying. Like a song without words Like a world without music, I wouldn’t know what to do I’d be lost without you Watchin’ over me. (George sings harmonies here) Find More lyrics at www.sweetslyrics.com You’re my guardian angel My light and my guide Your hand on my shoulder And you by my side. You make everything beautiful, You make me complete. Everything in my world I lay at your feet.. Like a church with no steeple, Where a bell never rings. In a town without people, Where no voice in the choir ever sings. If a boat on the ocean Would be lost with no sail, Then without your devotion Surely all that I dreamed of would fail. (George doing harmonies) Like a song without words Like a world without music, I wouldn’t know what to do I’d be lost without you Watchin’ over me I wouldn’t know what to do I’d be lost without you Watchin’ over me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgV0sZ5I_30...DE&index=27 Caledonia I don’t know if you can see, the changes that have come over me In these last few days, I’ve been afraid, that I might drift away I’ve been tellin’ stories, singing songs That made me think, about where I’ve come from And that’s the reason why I seem so far away today. Let me tell you that I love you And I think about you all the time Caledonia you’re calling me, now I’m goin’ home But if I should become a stranger Know that it would make me more than sad Caledonia’s been everything I’ve ever had. I have moved, and I’ve kept on movin’ Proved the points that I needed provin’ I Lost the friends that I needed losin’ Found others on the way Find More lyrics at www.sweetslyrics.com I’ve kissed the girls and left them crying Stolen dreams, yes there’s no denying I ‘ve traveled hard sometimes with conscience flyin’ Somewhere in the wind Let me tell you that I love you And I think about you all the time Caledonia you’re calling me, now I’m goin’ home But if I should become a stranger Know that it would make me more than sad Caledonia’s been everything I’ve ever had. Let me tell you that I love you And I think about you all the time Caledonia you’re calling me, now I’m goin’ home But if I should become a stranger Know that it would make me more than sad Caledonia’s been everything I’ve ever had.

This is the song Bow of Daughty that I love "Sorry" on youtube

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Paw I read your account of this and it gave me bumps all over!

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This is all I hear about with the pentecostals. And so I read about it. http://www.oasisfellowship.us/spiritual_covering.htm How exactly does this work? Doesn't God love and protect me without a leader "covering" for me? Kind of sounds like standing in the gap to me. I am not mocking it. And I had it explained, I just want to see what you all think.

Good stuff!

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Anyone? I am just curious - Seek the FACE of God. It tells us to seek or look with all our hearts - does not say seek the heart of God from what I saw -- Put on the mind of Christ... But seek the FACE of God. Why?