Dot Matrix

Thanks folks It was such a dream. I really do want to write him. Dot Matrix

Any one know where they are? I was WOW with Bonnie who became 14th corps. Knew Jane and Annie in rez. Wondering how they are?married? kids? happy? If you read this folks ~ here is some love going out to you~ :P--> Dot Matrix

I was WOW with her in Arkansas and she holds a dear place in my heart. Anyone know where she is? Last I heard she was back in New York. I told her about TWI and sent the Sheonheit letter but she choose to stay with TWI. She is a smart lady and Ron a sharp guy! I am sure they figured things out, but I have lost any connection to them! I wanted to say "Hey, I love you!" and check in! Dot Matrix

I know some of you thought he was in Chicago or something before GS changed forums. I did not find him and had a dream about him last night. I was wondering if anyone has an e-mail or can private topic me an address? Thank you! Dot Matrix

Thanks for the info! Does he have kids? How is he? Being as I do not like to go to spin offs I am not sure I should say hi, unless someone has his e-mail! Dot Matrix

I was studing psych nursing and THERE is a change in the patients. There is also a change in the elderly around 3pm to 7pm it is called "sundowning". People could be speaking in very pleasent tones and be lucid ~~ Then, all of a sudden flip out becoming violent and confused. I worked the 3-11 shift and it was a very REAL thing as is the full moon bad behavior thing. Head knowledge wise Zix you may be right, you usually are. But by experience, these are very real things. George about your sign -- that was a VERY funny post! Dot Matrix

Lindy You will be a great Dad! I always love your posts! Congrats! Dot Matrix

JJ- I bought Innova because the health store that carried was closer then the one who had Canidae. My friend uses California natural I know nothing about it however. Innova is A GOOD food! But my dogs spit it out and did not like it! Oh well, so I drive further and get Canidae. WayW- good sites the last confirms all my vet has been saying!(I wrote her to include Canidae and Wellness and although Solid Gold is good I have been told it dropped a bit in quality) Amazing info isn't? Thanks for the site, I am on a personal crusade to tell everyone what goes into commercial dog food! I was SO angry that I spent money on food and gave it to my dogs when the producers KNEW the food was NOT healthy! They may have pictures of chunks of beef and fresh vegetables but that is NOT what is inside. It is moldy, diseased, rancid and toxic! Shame on them! Thanks to you my fellow dog lover! The Petsmart stuff is not human grade (I called the 800 number on their best bag and it was not human grade, the clerk was not sure that is why I called before buying it) -- except they just got human grade treats called Healthy Pro. One of my client's swears by Flint River, I have never seen it sold anywhere. Dot Matrix [This message was edited by Dot Matrix on March 12, 2003 at 9:43.]

Psalmie I had written the info months ago and id not want to retype it. I just cut and pasted the infor and I was not correcting you regarding the "people food" comment. PLEASE do not think I was doing that! Okay, gosh I would not want to sound harsh over something so innocently spoken! Here are some holistic/medical vets http://www.theavh.org/members/AVH_list1.htm (mine does chiropratic as well! the other vet wanted to put my dog down after her back went out. I found my animal chiropractor at the holistc vet/medicine place! He popped her back in and she lived for years!) Dot Matrix

Well, Simpleton thanks I called the holistic vet about the grapes as I have never heard they were toxic and cracked and gave them to my dogs all the time! They said there is a huge debate going on right now as to whether or not grapes are toxic so do not do it until further studies are performed! Thanks for the INFO! That was a new one on me!!! Psalmie - I am sorry about kitty! Weird how the very shots given to protect them showed up later as what was killing them! Dot Matrix

Jesse Ya know, I am actually bad at sales. But I do harp about stuff I believe in -- My peke Baby was the one whose legs were messed up and her coat was so dry she looked like a POM! My one chow mix had hot spots all over and was miserable biting them all the time! After my vet shared the TRUTH behind the dog food companies -- I felt so BADLY! Canidae helped. And Canidae is good from puppy to senior years -- I have 5 dogs at varying ages -- so it was better for me to not have to deal with Puppy formula, adult and so on. Canidae does all life stages (in one formula). But if you cannot find Canidae you can try Wellness. It is healthy, but my dogs (all 5) preferred the Canidae. (you can ask for samples and which they prefer) I have seen such messed up dogs at the salon! Wow, my heartbreaks! I tell ya someday a class action law suit will be filed. People have no idea that they are giving their dogs diseased meats and moldy grain etc. I know I felt horrible when I found out! Especially because my dogs health had been suffering and I did not know why! Rottie If you cannot find Canidae here is Wellness Search Results your profile says Chicago land so I pulled it up! Wellness OMH Neura Dog Patch 1108 East Ogden Avenue Naperville, IL 60563 United States of America Phone: 630-420-2120 Glen Ellyn Pet Center 682 Roosevelt Road Glen Ellyn, IL 60137 United States of America Phone: 630-469-2114 J&M Feed & Supply, Inc. 6928 S. Wolf Road Indian Head Park, IL 60525 United States of America Phone: 708-246-3333 Look N Dandy 422 North Ardmore Avenue Villa Park, IL 60181 United States of America Phone: 630-279-1234 Scott's Pet Shop 3054 S. Wolf Road Westchester, IL 60154 United States of America Phone: 798-562-5000 My dogs did not like the Wellness but did like Canidae- See if they have samples Here is Canidae in the Chicago land: Company Name Address City State Zip Phone Suzan Seifert 1121 Grave Ct Naperville IL 60564 630 904-0120 Barking Lot-Wheaton 217 South Main St Wheaton IL 60187 630 752-1612 Barn Feed & Garden Center 11127 Heggs Rd Plainfield IL 60544 630 904-2175 Go West 826 Raintree Naperville IL 60540 630 961-1110 Pet Supplies Plus#107 1261 Lake St Ste F Aurora IL 60506 630 801-4115 Pet Supplies Plus #34 915 Roosevelt Rd Wheaton IL 60187 630 510-1111 The Dog Basket 1033 W. Ogden Ave Naperville IL 60563 630 548-9757 Pet Supplies Plus #107 1261 N. Lake St Aurora IL 60506 630 801-4115 Company Name Address City State Zip Phone Alsip Animal Hospital 11843 So. Pulaski Alsip IL 60803 708 385-6930 Scott's Pet Shop 3054 South Wolf Westchester IL 60154 708 562-5000 Ted's Hatchery 3138 180th St Lansing IL 60438 708 474-3000 Pet Supplies Plus #46 8717 S. Ridgeland Oak Lawn IL 60453 708 430-5881 J.R.s Aquatics P.O. Box 243 Tinley Park IL 60477 708 633-7333 Ain't No Creek Ranch, Inc. 1655 Union Ave Chicago Heights IL 60411 708 754-5680 Orland Park Boarding Kennel 15701-B Wolf Rd Orland Park IL 60467 708 349-9424 Tree House Pet & Food 309 N. Rte 50 Peatone IL 60468 708 258-9913 Dot Matrix [This message was edited by Dot Matrix on March 10, 2003 at 20:37.]

It IS Great stuff! We are cute arn't we? Dot Matrix

Wow behave I was just telling Psalmie about Wellness on a private topic! Psalmie here is the store locator and it is also EXCELLENT! http://www.oldmotherhubbard.com/locator/locator_form.asp A friend of mine had a dying cat! BEEN EVERYWHERE -- did the Wellness cat food and her cat recovered! Another friend's cat was near death and did the Felidae (from Canidae) and recovered In some of the info I got on HOW bad grocery store food is for pets, it spoke of an 18 month old child who would grab the cat food and eat it, the kid did it a few times and got sick THEN, another time DIED! The hospital found it was due to the antibiotic level in pet food being 400 times the amount needed for animals or people!!!!! (cause of the diseased food products!) Dot Matrix [This message was edited by Dot Matrix on March 10, 2003 at 19:15.]

Psalmie I fit does not SAY human grade then it isn't You may want to try the health food stores -- ours carry dog food, human grade! PSALMIE CHECK PRIVATE TOPIC! thanks! Dot Matrix

Jesse/Rottie They did find the cat vaccination for something - had an aditive that went along with the shot -- that then cause rapid growth cancerous tumors when the cat aged! All kinds of cats 9-13 years old are coming down with it. Amazing, the plate scraps are very healthy! (no onions! who knew? It blew my mind when I checked it out!) I posted on that before, let me see if the thread is around. But Eukanuba has altered the formula as it was bought by Pillsbury (I think) Canidae is the number ONE holistic /med vet suggested dog food. Try it Jesse it is amazing! Try for 2 months and let me know! Here it is! This is some of the holistic info! The Best Food For Your Cat/Dog is human grade food. Fresh chicken and turkey and beef. Fresh raw vegetables (carrots and green beans) and fruits (apples and banana's for example). Brown rice and oatmeal. Fresh non-sugar yogurt, eggs, and cottage cheese. These are not "people foods." By calling fresh food "people food" makes it sound as though people are the only living creatures who need to eat fresh foods. All living creatures love fresh foods. Your dog has a sensitive nose and taste buds. That's why he gets so excited when you take fresh food from your shopping bags. He is not begging for "people food" -- he is simply craving real food and a little variety, just as you do. Generations of dogs lived to old ages on fresh foods...before pet food companies came along. Commercial dog food has only been around since the 1930s. Circa 1930, big cereal companies were trying to find something to do with their rejected grain...their wheat and rice and corn that did not pass USDA inspection, the reason was usually because of mold. They discovered that the meat industry faced the same problem. Leftover meat not fit for human consumption, usually because the livestock was diseased. (or parts not fit for humans such as feathers and bills) The idea of mixing the rejects together, calling it "pet food", and making big profits off of it, was created. Clever advertising planted this term in the public's mind, but no living creature was ever intended to obtain their nutrition from a bag or can. A well known vet says: Almost all artificial diets are based on grains and cereals. The problem is, dogs are not cows. Your dog has a short direct digestive tract meant to digest meat and protein. Grains and cereals are carbohydrates that require a longer digestive tract. Think of a cow's several stomachs and its long, winding digestive tract. Worse than that, many dogs are allergic to grains and/or cereals. They develop chronic digestive problems, or itchy skin characterized by foot-licking or rubbing their faces. You might never think to associate these skin problems with the cereals in your dog's artificial diet. Each day, unhappy dogs parade through veterinary offices. They suffer from rashes, itchy hotspots, foot-licking, loose stools, gas, flatulism, greasy coats, flaky skins, chronic digestive upsets. What are these dogs eating? Strong possibility it is their artificial diets. There are two different philosophies of veterinary science. Most vets who belong to the AVMA sell Sc--- Diet. Of course, they received their nutritional training from The Company...who make Sci---- Diet. Most vets who belong to the AHVMA have done their own independent research and DO NOT recommend artificial diets. Pet food companies and some vets will tell you: "Table scraps are bad for dogs." Now, if they mean hot dogs, chhse whiz, pizza, french fries, and buttered and salted scraps, they're right. Such greasy junk is not fresh food. Fresh food means just that. You feed the same food groups that are in artificial diets...except your ingredients have passed USDA inspection and your ingredients are based on meat, not grain. For anyone to apply the derogatory term "table scraps" to your homemade diet of fresh meats and veggies and oatmeal and other wholesome foods is absurd. Pet food companies and some non-holistic vets will also tell you: "You will not balance each meal." No animal (or person) needs each and every meal balanced. No living creature eats like that. We simply eat a variety of good foods. General balance occurs over weeks and months. The concept of a "complete and balanced diet" is a marketing gimmick to persuade you that you're too dumb to feed a dog. That would come as a shock to your ancestors. They had no problems doing it. Their dogs lived 15 to 20 years on good meaty bones, vegetable stews, and whole-grain breads. Did you know according to a Holistic Vet Med journal, that most commercial dog food companies accept meat that has come from campaigns to erradicate disease form zoo or farm animals. It can contain, although marginal, cadavors of euthanized pets. They also buy the VERY out dated parcels of meat from stores. The meat is in packages the same way we purchase the meat. That meat is then thrown into the preperation with the wrappers and styrofoam plate still on it. You folks maybe interested in Canidae, Wellness, PHD or solid Gold dog or cat food. It is made from human grade meats and other wholesome ingredients. There are also recipes you can make dog/cat food from. Remember NO onions in pet food. If you are interested you can locate a holistic Vet through the internet. I changed to a holistic vet 5/6 years ago and it saved my pets lives at the time. One was loaded with hot spots and the other had extrememly dry skin and trouble walking (there was no oil in the grocery store pet food Petig---- I had been feeding them.) If you have animals please take the time to investigate this information. Dot Matrix

You cannot go wrong with Canidae. It can stand alone. It is easier then cooking and mixing and keeps dog's healthy! Dot Matrix [This message was edited by Dot Matrix on March 09, 2003 at 11:34.]

Happy Birthday! Dot Matrix

Oh behave We look alike! What kinda dogs you have? Firebee - Hello little bee! Dot Matrix

GREAT TOPIC!!!! I do not think the passive acceptance in TWI is really any different from the Catholic Religion (for example). In TWI we were always knocking the Catholic religion. But hey, we were no better. The Catholics push the nuns and priests not to marry The Way pushed couples to wed and not to wed. Corps marry corps! Believer you cannot marry your unbeliever boyfriend. In my opinion they have no right to tell you whom to marry. They can read the bible and say to "be evenly yoked". Or if you can serve God by not being married you are more free to move around in your service. Therefore, they can "suggest things" or share the verses but they both crossed the line in making things edicts. I know Catholics that married Lutherans -- a no-no. They just did not go to confession anymore or maybe church at all. So, the Catholics lost members. The Catholics have known for A LONG time there was sexual corruption going on. They choose to ignore it in their leaders. I worked for an x-nun who told me she quit because they wanted her to be Father?s plaything and whatever Father wanted he got. It was also kept quiet and winked at. TWI the leaders had secret sexual practices. I will not get into as we have covered it in other threads for years. TWI told people they could not go into debt. Some people bought homes anyway. Catholics used to NOT be able to have MEAT on Friday but I knew some who did. I know Way members who still thought there might be a trinity and Catholics who never believed Jesus was God. Neither spoke up. I like what Oldies man said TWI should: Start teaching that adultery is a sin, and really mean it. No more excuses. No more fear motivation where tithing is concerned. As a matter of fact, no more fear motivation, period. Have BOD term limits. In the Catholic church they do not elect the ?Pope? They do not even rid themselves of child molesters. My point is I think for some reason because God is a little ?mysterious? to all of us that when it comes to spiritual matters, we are more willing to be passively accepting of things. Even if we do not agree with it all. Somehow we think ?those in charge know what they are doing? or something of that ilk. Why, when it comes to God, can we loose all sense of reason? Jim Jones had the people drink the kool aide http://www.religioustolerance.org/dc_jones.htm David Korash had all women sexually in his group and the men and women allowed it http://www.rickross.com/reference/waco/waco4.html The Heaven?s Gate cult http://www.cnn.com/US/9703/27/suicide.update.am/ http://www.heavensgatetoo.com/ http://www.heavensgatetoo.com/misc/intro.htm Those are examples of over the edge cults. But what about the Jehovah Witnesses -- they cannot celebrate Christmas or Birthdays. I think they were a more subtle cult then say Heaven's Gate where they removed genitals so they would not sin. I think many of us had trouble thinking we were a cult because we were not more strange than the Catholics and surely we were not like those Heaven's Gate folks -- but we still let other people tell us who God was and what he wanted. Passive Acceptance. Now, we do not think of the Catholic religion as a cult per se but maybe if it started up in the past 40 years with world wide news we would all be watching in horror as woman ?marry God? and men ?speak for God and absolve sins? Just because it has been around we accept it. I think it got established in part to passive acceptance. Heck, Luther got us the Bibles so we could read for ourselves and we still went LOOKING for someone else to tell us what it meant. America was settled by the Pilgrims seeking religious freedom ? they did not want to join a cult (the Catholic church) So, how strong is this passive acceptance and what has it created? Look around. For some reason we all want someone else to explain to us who God is and what he wants?. It is dangerous. Dot Matrix [This message was edited by Dot Matrix on March 08, 2003 at 17:09.]

Hey I don't know why I thought California! I used to live there -- Oh well! The hooves were suggested by my holistic vet. He said they need something hard to chew on. Helps keep the teeth clean and keeps them from chewing table legs! Dot Matrix

Yes, I throw out the hooves when they get small as well. Apparently the factory was in CA and the UPS charge for bringing the bags is what kills the price. California a 40 pound bag is about $28.00 Here it runs around $39.00 I thought you were a CA gal. Toe nails - I went to buy a hoof once and the shop owner said "toe nails" so it may just be his stupid shop. PS the PHD was made for the RAW diet: Dot Matrix [This message was edited by Dot Matrix on March 08, 2003 at 13:52.]

LOL LOL The grave thing I am rocking! Shhheeettt Okay, bonemeal- health food store Onions - yes once a girl told me that and I thought it to be a lie. Called the vet, the tech said oh that is a LIE. I said check anyway please!!! She came back and said YES! It will shut down their kidneys!!! Yikes! She asked if my dog ate an onion and suggested I come immediately! Olive oil is okay -- Flax seed oil much better (has the omegas in it) Dot Matrix

Can (like how you buy soup a ( like it is a warm day) day (" " " ") I tell you, I got that in the salon and have people using it -- Dogs with awful skin problems etc. and they were healed VERY quickly. The evils of grocery store dog food is something I think there will be a class action lawsuit someday. (Go to private topic) Try a butcher for the bones, I do not do bones I use the "Toe nails" and hooves. Let me know how the bone works, my dogs always hide it and then it is no longer a FRESH bone but a rancid thing. Canidae is the BEST stuff and in California you can get it MUCH cheaper than I can here on the East coast! Dot Matrix

My dogs did not like the RAW meat at all. The raw chicken bones are pliable so they SAY they are okay. Here is a site that may help you PHD dog food, they teach about using the raw meat and adding this PHD formula for kelp, vitamins and the like. Hope it helps: http://phdproducts.net/natural_dog_food.asp I give my dogs carrots and apple slices for treats and I make my own dog food and mix it with Canidae. When I whip up a batch of homemade dog food I put the carrots and an apple (no seeds - they contain a natural arsenic) in the blender with the meat, a bit of water, flaxseed or olive oil (in a pinch). Then, I blend it and make it into a runny mixture. Next, I mix it with the dry HOLISTC Canidae dog food. A HUMAN GRADE dog food - http://www.canidae.com/ I was told at the health food store that Eukanuba - Iams was bought by a BIG company 2 years ago and changed the formula. They now use meat and grain - NOT FIT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION. That usually means diseased meats amd moldy grain/rice. That is why dogs who used to live 15 - 20 years now live 10 - 15 years. TRY CANIDAE if you do not want to make your own. If you want to make your own you can supplement with PHD. My holistic vet did want me to do the raw meat andI had the same fears. He told me as carnivores, the dogs needed a bit of bacteria in their system to keep themselves healthy. I tried and the dogs HATED the raw stuff so he gave me a cooked recipe which I make (and mix with Canidae -- but if you do not have time or want to mix the cooked recipe with something crunchy (human grade) try Canidae or Wellness by themselves. Recipe: 2 parts meat (hamberger, chicken or turkey COOKED) (If you want to try raw go ahead - I had the same misgivings) 1 part vegetables (carrots, or green vegtables with natural chlorophyll for breath such as string beans, a garlic clove -NEVER onions as they can kill a dog) 1 part natural brown rice cooked 1/2 to one whole no seeds/apple oil - that which would come to about a half teaspoon a cup of food Then, you can add a half level teaspoon of bonemeal per cup one half to one level teaspoon of brewers yeast per cup. And 1/4 teaspoon liquid vitamin per cup of food (you can use human vitamins like miracle 2000. nasty taste - good job I mix it all in the blender, remove it, then I stir it in with the dry Canidae. If your dog gets fat leave out -- one of mine could not handle the carbohydrates so I left out --the rice (you can also use natural oats from the health store) [This message was edited by Dot Matrix on March 08, 2003 at 13:54.]

TGrayN- WOW Great Post! You are right there is nothing in place that makes the BOD responsible to its members because you cannot join TWI. What a snare! Dot Matrix