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Suz You were a blast! Wish I was in twig with you!!! :D--> Dot Matrix

Tom You couldn't have done anything. The moment you spoke out you would have been throw out and they would have made a speech at lunch about how you allowed devils to enter your brain. Each corps had those that knew, those that participated (they became the future leaders), and those that never saw. A 9th corps girl warned me to never got to the coach alone. But when I was summomed I did not know how to take someone with me. I was going to meet Oz, it seemed rude and to disobey the wizzard. There were women who were repeatedly abused by Craig. They were made big leaders, then when they began to crack under the pressure (the pressure of the dirty little secret that he was sexually abusing them every chance he could), that PIG pulled them off the field and made lunch announcements about how they failed in their assignments. I know of one girl who almost had a nervous breakdown over it all. Too Gray Now- I was working at the limb when Marsha had a "breakdown" or so it was reported. They trashed her saying she was possessed. I never knew what happened to her, I heard she had taken her own life and was sick about it. Then, I was directed to her note and praised God for her life and survival. VP used to have Geer get him "the first pretty girl who walks by". Those little eager newbies were like newly hathced chicks to a wolf. It was sickening. There are other letters on that site that are interesting as well. Dot Matrix

Pirate Thanks! Too cool! Dot Matrix

Bowtwi Is his sister Leslie? I just love her! Got to be one of the coolest nicest people - ever. I miss her singing. Anyway, her last name is Pavel and she can be found in People search under her husband's name "Chuck" they are in CT. If who you seek is her bro, a few years ago the rest of her family was still in TWI. I do not know if that is still true. Dot Matrix

I love Rita Smith and sang with her. Did you know she was a back up singer with Isaac Hayes? She was a hoot! Anyone know where she is now? Dot Matrix

Is Bonnie Schaefer out? Last someone told me they were in Aussie lamd, i was wondering how and where she is. Please tell me they are out. Dot Matrix

Anyone know Nancy Gudorf? She was friends with one of my Wow's and was a real nice woman. Dot Matrix

Alfa I messed up your order. Dot Matrix

I am posting this so that we are ahead of the 9th corps thread, because it seems to bug them... he he he he Dot Matrix

P.S. I DO apoligize for butting in, sir, but its just another way of irritating the 9th corps people...they seem to have a fit when their thousand post thread gets two or three down from the top Lifted Up - that is so funny and yet so true. Dot Matrix

Are there no 13th out there? Hey, I am 11th saying hello. Al Poole aren't you there? Dot Matrix

Lindy My hubs and I were just looking for a drive-in. I loved those things! Lots of good kissing that went on in the car. Dot Matrix

Vickles have you ever read Marsha's story (of the 6th corps)? http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/ltr_marsha.htm It is like a b-rated horror film instead of a church. Dot Matrix

Too Gray Now Why apologize? I LOVED your post! As Alfakat said Dot Matrix

Thanks! Dot Matrix

Ex You know how hard it is to go to work and leave your kid, can you imagine going LEAD and leaving them? Too difficult! Vickles You do observe things. I just think be our last year many had been approached and were then "aware". I dunno if that is true. Dot Matrix

I am so relieved that I did not hurt you! (Whew, wipes away a bead of sweat) You can whine, I certainly do and did. Somehow I feel safer speaking with some of the people that lived through the corps. I feel they understand better the HE LL we lived through. WHY were they so weird about illness there? I got a virus and was very sick. I never had this happen before or since but it seemed to settle in my knee for a day and my leg was jerking hard snapping my knee. To this day my knee is weakened. The assistant corps leader woman saw me corps night as I ran out to vomit and said ,"Why are you out of bed." I told her I was told to believe and go to corps night. She said illness is illness. If you are down for a few days that is just normal, you go back to bed. I loved her! She was the only reasonable "Big" leader I saw there. It just seemed like people were unreasonable and delighted in getting others in trouble. ( I saw it in other places) but my experience there it seemed to be a dominant theme. TWI was crazy period. I am glad we survived! :P--> Dot Matrix

Vickles Do you think all the women knew? I had a dear 9th corps friend named ST. She told me NOT to ever go to the coach alone. She said take someone even if he sends for you. SHE KNEW. She was doing her research paper on adultery and was told NOT to do it by VPW. Dot Matrix

As I said from seeing you here I probably would have enjoyed you. My dislike of the campus had nothing to do with you personally or the children. I had to watch kids often at HQS. Perhaps I am wrong, but I feel I have hurt you and I wanted to apologize for it. The kids, the fact that there were single Mom's there was not my bad experience. Here are some of them: We had a guy who was in the LEAD accident in the truck that went over the cliff. His back was a mess and he was in pain and when he bent over to do certain things he had nerve pain shoot up his back. He was praying quietly outside for healing. He got a thought and acted on it, thinking God had healed him. He did a cartwheel, like the man in PFAL raised his arm. Immediately, he KNEW he was not healed as he had severe pain. He no sooner did the cartwheel when some FC ran to BM and said he had been faking his injuries. BM called him into the office and went off on him. The 11th C guy kept trying to explain but BM would not let him speak. They were ready to toss him out of the corps over it. The gossip went around the FC and people were all making comments to him. Another 11th corps guy got very ill. I asked what happened to S, have not seen him for 3 days ? I was told he was VERY sick. I went up to see him and he looked terrible. I asked if anyone had been to see him or bring him soup or anything. And he said no. (The problem was BM made the edict that you could not eat if you were too sick to come to class.) He was so ill by then and feeling guilty of his illness. He was in rough shape. I asked him if he had been drinking water and he handed me his empty bottle and I filled it. He wanted some fruit. I went to the kitchen and was going to get him some fruit but an FC was there. She snapped, "you can't just come in anytime you want and expect to get food!" I told her someone was sick and only wanted a little fruit. She quoted BM and snapped how I should not defy the MOG. Well, I got him some fruit after she left. I tried to get him some medical help but none of the leadership would listen. So, I called Mrs. Weirwille. She had a car sent over to pick him up and let him recover in her home. Turned out it was SERIOUS what he had. His legs had swollen to two or three times their size. If it had been let go it would have been bad for him. Another night, I had to clean the bathroom. My work person TOLD me to not let anyone in the bathroom. No matter what even if they beg. She told me NO EXCUSES. She had been a never ending thorn. My review had that I did not listen to leadership on it. So, a person gets up and comes into the bathroom. I tell them I am sorry but you need to use the one down the hall. She flipped out on me. I explained I did not really care if she went or not but I was told to NOT let anyone use it. I was sorry but I was trying to follow my orders. Person continued to yell, I told her look by the time you are finished yelling you could have walked to the other end of the hall, it is not my fault you cannot use it. She said, "Well, I am using it." And she did. Now, I didn't REPORT her. I let it go. She reported me. I was called in because I told someone they could not use the bathroom. I said, "What do you want from me? When I listen; you yell. When I use common sense; you yell. I have no idea how to win here. Then one day, one of the woman there had put some of her freshly washed sweaters outside to get the nice breeze smell. I thought it was a good idea so I put a few of mine out there. I was pulled out of a meeting and told I made the place look like a New York slum house. I told her I was sorry I had seen someone else do it and thought ot looked like a good idea. I am sorry I wouldn't do it again. She followed me outside yelling, back inside yelling and down the hall. I told her if you have a problem go tell leadership because I am not going to have you continuing to yell at me. So you see nothing was personal against you. And nothing against kids, but I was offended and still am over how many kids I saw hit by them. Again, this has nothing to do with you. You may have NEVER struck your children. I am sure having kids in the corps was difficult. I respect the difficulties. But this was not about that. It was about the things I described and more like them. I think I do recall you, there was another hairdresser in the "shop" who was easy going and kind. When I went in for Sue I met her and she was warm and inviting. Joanne and Bo! That is them. They were not legalistic but very cool and easy to get along with. When I told them some of my experiences they were understanding and He said something like, "Some people are a$$ holes." I am unclear why you made it so personal, or perhaps I misunderstand the tone of your post. I never meant to hurt you. If you told me there were some babies in the 11th and some rat finks I would have agreed with you. Perhaps, you were fortunate to be around "cool" people at RC. Thank God! Because all you had to do would have been exhausting had you have had to deal with the legalistic situations I ran into. As I said in my post: But even though I sympathize with you on how hard it was to do all you did, my experience there was still a bad one. I could tell you all the stuff we did at Emporia, and it would not alter your experience. I wan't real fond of Emporia, truth be told I liked my time at HQS the best. A lot of leadership there or staffers were folks I grew up with in the word. Make no mistake there were a$$ holes there as well. You did not like Emporia, and you did not like JL. I accept that and it really does not matter to me. Because your dislike of Emporia has nothing to do with me. I hope you can see my dislike of RC has nothing to do with you. I seem to have pushed a button that makes you feel as though you need to defend RC or the F-corps. I did not mean too and I hope you have recovered from feeling it was a personal attack, if I am hearing the tone correctly, I seem to have hurt and angered you. PLEASE accept my apology, I never meant to hurt YOU. Again, you are probably a wonderful person. But I still hated the RC campus. These statements are independant of each other. Somehow I think you heard I hated my time at RC and met legalist people = I dislike and do not respect YOU. Let me assure you one has nothing to do with the other. Again, I am sorry my words were not written better so I didn't hurt you. Sorry. BTW, We were all in a cult. I hate that too ;)-->. Dot Matrix [This message was edited by Dot Matrix on August 27, 2003 at 20:33.]

JL with all his faults was better as a leader IMO then BM or that jerk out there at the ranch or LCM. I think what appealed to me about John was he was not a frightening person. As the years went on he,IMO, became an egotistical weird duck. But our first year he was decent. The corps became a ball of confusion to me as the first year in VPW tried to get me when he asked me to his coach and I declined his advances. My biggest fear was to be talked about behind my back and set up as a terrible person because I declined the MOG. I cried a lot. When I was not worried about being disgraced by those lunatics we all admired, I quietly found some great people. But I lived with the fear of having to be with those that were into the sex stuff and having them slam me because I would not partake. Now, I am proud of my stand. Back then I felt like I had a sign on my head. How many of you knew in res. about the "sexual freedom, bless the MOG" kind of thinking? Not trying to stiffle your humor TGN, but I just wondered how many folks had no clue and were able to carry on. One day at a lunch table it was all 11th corps women and we began to gingerly (checking each other out for saftey) speak of the things going on in the leadership. I got the impression we all knew and all hated what we knew at that table. Did you guys know? Because I think not knowing would have been a much more "fun corps" then those of us who "knew" corps. Just always wanted to know... Then we can go back to TGN's fun and Vickles giggles. Dot Matrix

I went to Rome City IC and I hated it. If the F-corps (1983) wasn't hitting their kids with wooden spoons the leadership (BM) there was making insufferable edicts, i.e. "If you are too sick to come to class you are too sick to eat and he did not let anyone come to meals if they missed class." I did LOVE the couple that was my twig leaders but I forget their names. She was a hairdresser, I think from California. And the assistant corps leadership -- the woman -- I forget her name but she seemed grounded. One woman who worked as a hairdresser there was dear and I forget her name as well. I think I forget because the over-all experience was not a good one. To me, there were nasty legalistic people everywhere and with few exceptions I found no enjoyment there. Ugh! Many of us 11th would get together and discuss how we thought we were in he!!. I am sure Suz from meeting you here, I probably would have loved you if I had gotten to know you. I wish I was in twig with you for those nice times eating cookies and drinking coffee sound GREAT!!!! But that campus was one of the WORSE parts of my corps experience. Sorry, I truly am. Nothing personal to you, I bet you had trouble with some of the same people. And I am glad you made some of the 11th's visit sweet. If you liked Eric then we would have enjoyed each other. Eric and I were LEAD together. He chased me around with a torantula (spelling). And was a laid back fun guy! Dot Matrix [This message was edited by Dot Matrix on August 26, 2003 at 22:05.]

Def59 Oh my! I hate to see you leave, I have enjoyed your posts. Please visit! xxxoooxxxooo Dot Matrix

Happy Anniversary! Dot Matrix

Gosh, I am so sorry. Materherbalist visits here often, I do not know if she has an e-mail in her profile or if anyone knows how to reach her.... But if someone does, maybe they can ask her to check in she may have some good suggestions. Dot Matrix

Ex What does this mean? Dot Matrix