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I invited them to make a guest appearance. But now Al is pretty wild so get ready!!! Washington W - Is very smart so we need to study up for her appearance. Oh boy! Guests! Vickles you set the table, TBN you get the music going, Suz you can figure out the menu and I will string the chairs. Life is too short for bad coffee! Dot Matrix

TGN LMAO :D--> We need a "guest speaker" Let me see if I can get Al poole as a guest. He is always fun. (13th corps) Also Washington Weather! Life is too short for bad coffee! Dot Matrix

grou... If you ever run across a concordace with some messed up pages cause I pressed a flower, it is mine. I wish I had not sold it... I think it is cool you found that and are asking about the people, like finding a bottle with a message in it. I would have been curious. But I cannot help you, as I do not know them. Life is too short for bad coffee! Dot Matrix

Chuck, Phil and I hung out in the 11th our first year. I found Chuck & he is married to a dear friend, but have not heard anything of Phil since 1986. Anyone know how he is? We were a bit of a rebel trio and I think of him now and then and pray. Phil if you are out there I still think of you when I drink decaf coffee.... Anyone know if he is out of TWI? Phil you cool dude, man, how are you? Thanks! Life is too short for bad coffee! Dot Matrix [This message was edited by Dot Matrix on December 18, 2003 at 19:05.]

NIKA I love this: Life is too short for bad coffee! Dot Matrix

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Ex Okay, I have been out a long time. I did not recognize any of these OLD people. Then, I realized they would not recognize this OLD dot either. Boy has time gone by!!! After 20 times, I finally recognized David Bailey and David, Dean and I hung out my first corps year. We could walk past each other now and not even know one another. Funny, he still looks "cool". Life is too short for bad coffee! Dot Matrix

If you have a throne, then I have to get everyone a throne. Dam n it, you can wear the fish mouth head piece but the chair is out. Now, you have to pick a gift ministry. Life is too short for bad coffee! Dot Matrix

Okay, who wants to be ordained? I am doing them a little later. Please show up in your bath robes with a a toliet lid sanitary paper about your necks (to represent the backwards V silk thing they wear.) If you will bow down and worship me I will give you a paper saying you are now ready to cheat and deceive.... Excathedera - you can not bring that dam n chair you drag with you everywhere. Tom - I need your help for the ordination reception -- getting the group beds together and all... Vickles can bring pickles... Life is too short for bad coffee! Dot Matrix

Thanks!!!! Life is too short for bad coffee! Dot Matrix

So nothing more on LeAnn and Shelley? Life is too short for bad coffee! Dot Matrix

Abi- "During my marriage I was threatened, pushed, spit on, belittled, the phone was ripped out of the wall so I couldn't call anyone for help.... I went to leadership over and over again." I lived through that. It was a horror. I am so sorry. I have enjoyed your posts and your fairness in them. Now I feel as if we may have been peas in a pod or at least on the same plant. Wow, I cried when I read the guitar to your head.... Mine pushed me down in front of his truck and tried to run me over. Nobody should have to live in that misery or fear. Oh Abi!!! ((((((((Abi))))))))) Thanks for having the courage to share. Life is too short for bad coffee! Dot Matrix

Actually you guys DO have the thread going! Interesting reading... Life is too short for bad coffee! Dot Matrix

I guess it would be painful for you to read -- sorry! Life is too short for bad coffee! Dot Matrix

(((Tom))) (((Scammie))) Life is too short for bad coffee! Dot Matrix

Geoy WOW, your post was a big AMEN! "Wierwille was a sex pervert. He abused and molested women. He was abusive and ugly to his wife. I think it is quite reasonable to interpret the CF& S class in light of these things. It has nothing to do with dishonesty or anger. Considering VPW's character, I also think it quite reasonable to question his motives in his teachings in this class." This is a gem of truth! "I believe its is less than objective to post and comment on only the good parts about this class and not to consider it as a whole. IMO, the CF& S class is a case of a little leaven leavens the whole lump ( Galations 5:9). There is enough "bad" in this class to invalidate it as a whole." Powerful!!!! And this: "Is it true that "the way to a man's heart is through his penis"? Does this or should this apply to all Christian men or just the elite Men of God of the Way?" I never even thought about that before but BOY did you nail it! Folks, I was at work last week and a girl began to reveal to me that her FATHER raped his three daughters from the time they were about five up until they were 12. I bring this up because the statements her father said to her are like statements VPW said. If you all still believe in spirits he had one of sexual perversion. Her father, who was later arrested when the oldest daughter went to the police, said: "All fathers do this to their daughters. It is love. I am teaching you about sex and how to please a man. It is a gift. When you grow up you will know how to please a man. Girls are put here on earth to please men and I will teach you. I bring you into your own gift of pleasure. This is why you were born." Between Marsha's letter, my experience and others I know, here are VPW's lines: "Your ministry (gift) is sex. You are here to please the body of Christ." (The quote from Marsha's letter ""Why me?" He (VPW) laughed and said it was because of my smile. I said that was funny because most of the time people told me I didn't smile enough. He said, "You smile with your body." He went on to tell me that Satan had so perverted the world that women only knew how to love with their hearts and that men only knew how to love with their bodies. It was a part of his ministry to teach women to love with their bodies, so that we in turn could teach men to love with both their hearts and bodies. Sex was my ministry to the body of Christ." At the meeting in the corps VPW taught of the African Tribe male who "taught his daughter" to "prepare" her for marraige and pleasing a man. He thought it was beautiful. Here is what VPW said using the Bible to hurt Marsha sexually from her letter, "What about Dot (VP's wife)?" was the first one (question I asked). He said that if I were to tell her it would be a bad thing because she would be hurt. But if I didn't she would never know and no one would be hurt. (What about me? He did not even consider what this had done to me and at the time, neither did I.) He told me that she had to have vaginal surgery several years ago and that the doctors made a mistake when she was sown up. Because of this it was painful for her to have sexual intercourse. He said God understood his need and that as a matter of fact even David, a man after God's own heart, had a young woman to warm his bed when he was old." (sounds similar to Mike's logic) When I confronted him he told me, "whatso-ever things are pure.... think on those things" Told me because I perceived it to be wrong then it was wrong. He was going to do it, it was up to me how I thought about it. I left. (This inner circle sinned and believed that they lived above the word of God. It was described to me as a higher plane and only people who "could handle it" were invited to partake. Anyone who objected or reproved their behavior was considered someone who "stumbled" at their freedom in their walk with Christ. Therefore, there was no way to correct them; they exalted themselves as gods deciding what was right and what was wrong. (Genesis 3:5).) Another girl went to the coach and he held her "birth to the corps paper" with the information in it about her years of childhood sexaul abuse. He hugged her and felt her breasts and told her he would "teach her how to be loved." Her paper revealed her vulnerability. When Uncle Harry frenched kiss the limb staff member and grabbed her breasts; we were told by the limb leaders' wife "he was just trying to make her feel like a woman". When I had a region leader jump on me while I slept in a Way home, he covered my mouth and told me "You are blessing a man of God by taking care of my needs." By the way, he was married... When a newbie was sleeping at a believer sleep over, she had not even taken the class yet, the visiting limb leader slept next to her. She thought it was "brother-sister, friend kinda nice" Until, in the middle of the night, he began to feel her body inappropriately. She was barely 18 years old. She was "blessing him and taking care of his needs...." He was also married. (BTW, another inner-circle ordained female was the one who hostessed the party!) There are two other early corps women who were part of the "C" group. (I explained earlier on page #15.) At this time, I will refrain from speaking the adventures I had/saw with them, out of respect to their children. They were recruits who LOVED it, and became recruiters. (As did many, not all, of the other ordained females) The Way Corps was not the school of the Prophets as some thought, but the school of the perverted and pediphiles. And you corps that never "saw" that it is probably because they sized you up rather quickly as "not being able to handle it". Which means you were good and decent people. Such as Ralph D. Those they tried to get? We were perceived as maluable. Many of us in our "birth to the corps" papers revealed certain aspects of our past that looked "coachable". (No pun intended) My paper expressed the story of my first love. It ws a bitter/sweet account of young tender hearts, first "experiences", betrayal and a sad painful ending. As our times dictated to many, the story was flecked with certain items we smoked or snorted. I looked like a "party gal". To me the TWI experience, on the whole, was something devised by a devil-possessed man to teach people how to go forth and hurt people sexually by twisting scripture. Because we have an endless stream of people revealing the "hidden inner-circle" it invalidates any good sound bites a sex class taught by a pervert could possibly have. To revere, in any way, his teachings on sex would be a kin to saying, "just because Jeffrey Dalmer ate people does not mean he did not know how to set a beautiful table..." (IMO) By the way, and for folks to say if it was so awful why did people stay for so long? Well, perhaps you need to ask Elizabeth Smart why she did not tell people she was kidnapped, or even reveal her idenity when questioned by police. Or here is a true story - the woman was kept under the kidnappers bed in a box and when she was allowed to go home on a visit - she returned! "American Justice. The Girl in the Box. In 1977, Cameron Hooker kidnapped 20- year-old hitchhiker Colleen Stan and forced her to be his sex slave for seven years of physical and psychological abuse. At times she was even kept in a coffin-like box under his bed. Yet through it all, she stayed, even when it seemed she could escape. In the end, it would be left to a jury to answer the question: Was Colleen Stan brainwashed or a willing partner in her own enslavement? I do not know where a person breaks. But if an organization sets out to "break people" then can we judge the broken? If I set out to make you a slave and you become one, am I no longer at fault? When do people quit fighting and die inside? I would not too quickly judge those people who stayed 20 years. Samson sat around blindly doing demeaning tasks before he was able to muster enough inner savvy to ask God to help him again - then he escaped through death. Have you ever been in a relationship you knew was unhealthy and you stayed longer than you should? Perhaps you thought you could change things... Your intentions were honorable even if futile. Life is too short for bad coffee! Dot Matrix [This message was edited by Dot Matrix on September 29, 2003 at 17:17.]

It was something about men liking a little mystery... (I think they do.) Life is too short for bad coffee! Dot Matrix

I know other colleges have security and I guess that is what we provided, but were you ever told what to do if anyone was breaking in to the building? Or how to handle anything of a security nature? I wasn't. Hell, we would have had to run to a "pay phone" for the police... We had someone who shot flaming arrows into our wood sign. Oh yeah, let me go witness to them. "Mr. Criminal, those flames remind me of the flames on the say of pentecost. Would you like a cup of coffee? Let's talk...." They used us alright. It must have been HORRIBLE to realize you were being used and be in res. with kids. How would you leave? There is school and needing a place to stay... Single; you could walk out and go sleep on a friends couch if you had to. Not so with kids. What a frightening awakening for folks with kids in res. to realize you have been hoodwinked. Man.... Life is too short for bad coffee! Dot Matrix

I read your post Suz. Now, I have to go take a nap! Do I get areobic points just for reading it? You sure should have counted moving day as a month's worth of points! Wheeeew! Life is too short for bad coffee! Dot Matrix

Jerry That was my point! Life is too short for bad coffee! Dot Matrix

HOMOPHOBIC _________________________ I think the gay community sometimes acts in an outrageous manner and when the straight community objects they are called "homophobic" Case in point: My hubs and I went to San Francisco. We walked hand in hand, ran to get the trolley, hugged -- we were obviously together. The gay men would walk right up to us and "hit" on him. One man asked him, "Would you rock my world?" Another, "Mmmmm, honey would you like to be the queen of my castle?" Yet another, "I could make you squeal with delight..." Mind you we were minding our own business and they walked up to an obvious couple and acted like that. The first time the hubs said he was not interested. The second time he said, "Look I am with my wife, I am not interested." The response, "You don't have to be homophobic, it won't rub off." My response, "We are not homophobic but shocked at how rude you are to approach him while we are together and make a sexual offer." The third encounter was similar. The homosexual that approached us was "indignant over his decline of the offer." If these had been women approaching him while we were together, society would have seen those actions as "wrong". But because we now have to tip toe around everyone's feelings we were suppose to just blow off the advances. We were not MAD because they were homosexuals we were MAD because they were rude. But rather than admit they were wrong, they accused us of homophobia. I think the homosexuals use that word to make heterosexuals feel guilty about how they act around homosexuals, even when their behavior clearly warrants chastisement. (IMHO) Life is too short for bad coffee! Dot Matrix

So we are transworded? I should start a group other members would be God and dogs. I should go take some vitamins, the universe is at my door.... Life is too short for bad coffee! Dot Matrix

Every line of energy and dot of matter in the universe is involved in a relationship of sexual exchange (or wishing it was). ewwwww! What I am having sex with the universe? I should be exhausted. Life is too short for bad coffee! Dot Matrix

Jerry you shared: "He was saddened and surprised that he could stand out for talking about the Bible at what was supposed to be a Bible college." Reminds me of my sister on her second maybe third time WOW. She was at a meeting and a group of corps was smoking outside. I forget what she said in their conversation. Something positive. But they all laughed at her and said, "you still believe that crap? How long you been around? You'll see...." So very sad to break some very GOOD people. Life is too short for bad coffee! Dot Matrix