Dot Matrix

Brady you are sweet. Sometimes here on the board if you say - I was forced... Someone will say well you could have left, was there a gun to your head? It gets very ugly for some of the girls who were in this type of situation.

Rocky Got water balloons? Maybe we will fill them with wine this time.

Ah, Mom I heard you yell ride 'em cowboy! And we never picture our parents as once being "hot looking" Heck, I bet they were babes!

Dang Chinson, you are one lucky woman!

One time my husband and I filled water balloons in the tub. Then we bounced around on them. It was more fun than sexy exept one balloon snapped and wacked him. Okay you called the thread explicit -- You warned people, so I hope I am not wigging some litle puritan out.

Steve Dying!!!!

Sunesis I think it maybe more about how they look at VPW. (maybe) I know before I saw the corruption I was in awe. Heck, He got an audible promise that he would be taught the word as it had not been taught since the first century! Okay 1. God spoke audibly! IT blew my mind! I had been in churches begging to hear his voice, Prayed on my knees seeking answers... I never Heard it audibly -- I wanted in on that stuff! Or to be near the man who heard it! 2. Then, he was going to be taught....1st century. I had been to all kinds of churches looking for some sense out of the Bible. So, I wanted that. I was sold. The class did HELP me and twig was sweet -- if I did not go in the corps I would be hard pressed to believe anything I am saying. But after hearing it over and over - heck even Ralph believed it when 11 girls told him.... and he loved Weirwille. So, I wonder if they would think of it the same way if their daughter went to hear Billy Grahm and got to spend some time with him and returned home near dysfunctional and blank. If they watched their kid decline and when they finally got the poor kid to speak -- she said, "I was with Mr. Grahm and he gave me a drink. I felt funny afterward not right -- hazy and zombie like... Then, he climbed on me... And Daddy, I did not want him to, I tried to scream but my mouth was not working everything was weird and I could not stop him." Would one say to their kid, "You liar, you speak for the devil because that man loves God and I have heard him on television for years and always got something from his broadcasts." Or would they go kick hiss a$$ or call the police? I love what Diazbro always says - why do we tolerated behavior from Weirwille we would not tolerate in our friends, neighbors, or ourselves? Long gone and Zixar - good posts!

Lightside They sure as heck did drink at all hours! I believe you. Ex - That is probably why there were no charges or investigations regarding "being drugged" it is hard to prove the drink was laced without the glass and years after it left your system. But when you described what happened to you and were concerned that it may have happened I do think it is questionable, as we discussed. Why else the hazy almost not lucid, non-functioning disassociation after drinking it? And that time his advances were successful (assault- your last words to him were no!) because you were too out of it to fight him back. All the other times you escaped. Makes sense to me.... But there is no proof only conjecture, however when we saw what Marsha said it blew my mind that it was so hazy and similar to what happened to you... I do not put it past him. I forgot you pretended not to wake up when he returned to resume. Wow, what a pig. I am so glad when he hunted for me to go on a three day trip with him that he could not find me. I rarely left grounds at HQS. but I did that day. When I came back I was told VPW had been looking everywhere for me to go with him on the three -day. One person said "Didn't God tell you to come back?" Another said something like, "You blew it. You could have been with the man of God..." I was praising God in my head and thinking God worked it out for me to leave. Praise God!!! I tell you I would have been in jail or the hospital if that fart jumped me. And if I were drugged and recovered, I may have called the police, I dunno. That or had a melt down and need a dribble cup.

Suesis Please fell free to remove your post, you were just standing by us. By the way, what she says is TRUE. Howard was passed VP's left overs. Hard to believe? Imagine seeing it, what would your gut be like then? Twisted into knots? Devastated? You cannot not even think about it... Because to think about it means you have to back into your life and re-examine it all. But if you do, God will still win. You will not loose him... God still loves us.

OM As hard as it is for you to believe it, imagine for a monent, how hard it was for those teens to have live it. They loved God and the Bible and the teacher as well.... that is how they got in the position. That is why the shock and events/experiences crippled them - blew trust right out of thier lives... Broke them on some level... Destroyed the life they should have had becasue they had to deal with all this .... Some are still seeking professional help to help them recover. Some did not make it... So, if it is hard for you to even consider... For one moment crawl in their skin and feel the destruction they felt. Have you ever put yourself in someone else's shoes? Try it here just for an hour. Ask God to see through their eyes... May God help you and show you compassion and release you from the lie that was sold to you... For one hour just consider the lie sold to you is not from us. Just an hour... [This message was edited by Dot Matrix on December 31, 2003 at 6:59.]

Oakspear Sorry, we had to remove some of what was shared. I hope it does not mess up your thread. It was shared to help others -- then of course came the nay saying. Too much to handle at times. Enjoy the thread folks and the arguing about if or if we are not lying. Hard to read defense of a rapist for some. Even if the devil was his battery. Peace...

I think Ralph would have stopped the sex stuff and apologized -- IMHO. I was very upset they choose that lunatic LOY!

Zix You are a wild man! I knew you were one of my favorites for a reason!

Mosh Gosh, no. If someone knew you as a kid that would be too weird.

L'hawk LOL, that was funny!!!!

Simpatico I like the whole skunk pelt thing too! :D-->

YES, it is Rob Thomas! Love him!!!!! Your question? the event that pops into my head.... I was with the love of my life, we took a walk as the soft snow fell. The road was canopied by trees puffed up by an early snow. Anyway, we walked back into the woods by an old railroad track and after a playful frolic in the snow -- made love under a tree.... Soft flakes fell....

I just love the term since I heard Oak use it. Makes me laugh! At the time, I thought Ralph D. should have gotten the mantle -- boy would things have been different!

Sunesis Wow girl! You always check in at the right time! I was waiting on you. Thank you for bringing your accounts to this thread and hopefully it will help others to see.... Or maybe some poor girl out there will find she was not the only one if she visits. I know you told VPW "no!" and dodged him after he tried to "get" you.... It was an awkward situation to say the least. Thanks for showing up it is helpful when others who know lend their credence. Love you always! ((((((Sunesis)))))

Brady - thanks for sharing that! Edited upon request of Exxie [This message was edited by Dot Matrix on December 30, 2003 at 22:38.]

For the record- I was never interested in VPW sexually. He was physically repulsive to me. [This message was edited by Dot Matrix on December 30, 2003 at 22:38.]

By the way, year 2027 is a kind hearted person. He may stumbled over a word here and there but he is compassionate and humble. Most of us learn a lot from the tenderness of his heart.

Sunny you said: I hope you did not write this as a response to my posts. If you did, then may I remind you there are people who did not willingly remove their pants. There are people who knew what was happening was not "love." If you were responding to the thread topic, then your second response just shows me how you were also used and I am very sorry you were injured in the process. Great post WW! Thanks White dove!

OM Ask John Lynn, he is the one who apparently knew of other druggings if you read the letter on the site. But your questions and Mike's are the ones I fear the most. Because whether you mean to or not, by asking it, it implies that "these are only two people and they could be lying." EVEN if there were no other druggings, these two woman -- probably three if you read Marsha's WOW sister lay crying in a bed as well-- were. You always come across like "Well, I do not believe you - who else can validate this accusation." But then more people validate things and you seem to ask for more. You may not be thinking that way at all, but when someone tells the most gut wrenching story of their life, in an effort to help others, you need to be careful what you ask and how you ask. When, in the past someone said it was not consenual, your response was something like, "were they over 18?" You can be 84 years old and when you say "NO" that is what it means. It just always seems you look for loop holes to let VPW off the hook. So, your apparent lack of compassion and your responses that seem to have an "I do not believe you" edge to them, can absolutely send a victim backwards in their healing. The thing is OM, even if you do not believe either of us. If you had some what of a soft heart for people, wouldn't you feel the pain of another human being and NOT post, rather than risk their fragile state for the sake of "one more jab" from you. People think of you as ignorant or without a clue. I see you as an intelligent human being who somehow would rather risk the state of a victim then have to read something negative about VPW. Now, it could be you do not understand how "accusing" you present yourself, but I think you are acutely aware of it. And the effects on people mean nothing to you. I think the way you post is careless and mean in the context of what happened here. If this becomes about "prove it" or "I do not believe you." We will pull our stories. You do not have to believe anything, I am asking you not to challange anything in her post here. Just go away not believing it, please. Don't you recognize when another person is bleeding? [This message was edited by Dot Matrix on December 30, 2003 at 22:04.]

Garth We posted at the same time. Thanks for your heart as well.