Dot Matrix

Yeah, this thread was an oldie but goodie!

vic But some of the corps really did seem to be sociapaths and a lot of them were the ones who excelled and became recruiters. People with heart and values were chastized by the sociapaths in leadership corps positions.

That is what is confusing because people blame environment and I know people with horrific childhoods who are wonderful members of society where others with a relatively normal life becomes a killer. It is in the heart. They must accept darkness or something. The book "People of the LIE" goes into this stuff a bit.

Vic I am sure Oak is glad this turned into a healing thread. I do know what you mean. That WOMAN told me what I saw was not really there and not to trust my thoughts. She left me in such a state I would put on a yellow shirt and wonder if it was really yellow. I was afraid of my mind because of what she did to me. Actually, JAL was the one who really helped me there. He talked to me forever one day and assured me that THAT woman was "not right" and I was fine. Of course, that was before they got to him. Glad to hear he is recovering back to being normal.

I wonder as well- What could have happened in LCM's childhood to make him a lunatic today? Or what happened to VP even to make him into a meglamaniac. I wonder, I do not excuse them either. If they apologize, however, it would be accepted immediately. But you are a great example of having a hard life and growing up with no desire to hurt a fly. Yet, another with less hardships may be a victim at first, then become a perpetrador. Why is that? It is in the heart I think... I mean I know people with worse childhoods than Dahlmer's and they did not grow up and eat people. What is the turning point that makes a victim a perp? And why?

WOW That was similar to the crap that happened to me when I went onto the black list.... It is he ll until you find out it REALLY was/is a cult and they REALLY are/were nuts and you REALLY are okay. I am sorry for the head and heart aches that caused. I bet you felt like your head was in a vice. And the embarrassment of everyone looking at you trying to see demons is just over whelming, isn't it?

Well at the bema I can hear Jesus "Will all those that were in TWI step forward.... let's sort this all out..." We will be there for days! :D-->

far out that is a good consideration to the actual topic question.

Ex10 I am glad to hear JAL fessed up. I think I heard Vince did as well... But some of them they believe in the doctrines of devils promoted secretly by the VP machine... Still doing it, still endorsing, still covering... I bet if Jesus came down and reprooved them personally they would not stop. They are committed to it.

WOW Vickles! I betcha it had some input into why you were thrown out. She was testing the waters to see if you would want to be invovled. Thank God they tossed you -- you dodged a bullet.

Gotta tell you K Mal------ of the 3 or4th corps was into that life style up to his neck being under him was another horrible year of my life. But when he found out the "stuff" was wrong. He repented and wrote a letter to all the corps girls he hurt in Pennsylvania. He got it to people in off-shoots and it got to me anyway. I completely forgave him and respect him for admitting he was wrong and apologizing for the pain he caused. He is an example of how to take responsibility and change the course of the destruction he caused. Kudos KM!

I know where she came from the beds of the BOD. I do not care about anything else. She tried to have people kill themselves to keep the dirty secret safe. She came from hell. You know how close I was to suicide when God told you to call me... If you defend her I will defend Weirwille - they are the same to me. She was a recruiter, maybe a victim at first, but like a rapist who rapes because he was raped does not preclude them from the guilt. He would still be responsible for the crime. If you defend her then you must let LCM off the hook -- same thing.

Brady You're cool...

Gaylord phocker comes from the movie "Meet the Parents" Yes, she did act like she owned the red light district. She was a man eating vag_na and she told 300 people I had devils because I could not believe her "walk with God". It consisted of lying to the other female area leader, sleeping with guys she knew for a few minutes at a bar, stealing some of my furniture that my father is still angry about, sacrificing believers so they could have "sex" without reproof, mishandling of money, being drunk, behavior unbecoming of anyone who was to represent God. Now, I am not perfect. But this behavior was out-of-control. She even walked in on my boyfriend and me with another guy and yelled "switch" and grabbed my guy and I was suppose to be with hers. I had never been more uncomfortable in my life. I introduced her to someone interested in PFAL and she french kissed him. He was insulted by it. It was way out of line. Then, I get into the corps and see clearly the guy at the helm is our own MOG VPW. It shocked and just wigged me out. I again was fighting thoughts of suicide. I knew if I left they would announce I did so with devils and all my friends and life was all woven in with TWI. To leave -- well, you would loose so much. Plus I would have to tell my father I failed and he already entertained those thoughts about me. Also, when neighbors went to my parents to tell them TWI was a cult he asked me and I told him it was the best thing that ever happened to me and would be my life. So, he told the neighbors to bug off and supported me -- at the first thing I ever committed to. I sold my house, I alienated my friends who would not sign the green card, I spent my inheritance on my corps sponsorship... I did not know how to get out... Suicide was looking good.... [This message was edited by Dot Matrix on December 31, 2003 at 19:49.]

Alfacat Poor Marsha I was on limb staff where she was her int. year of the corps. Everyone bashed her as having devil sprits and not to listen to her because she was loaded with them..... All designed to have people not believe her if she opened her mouth. Years later, the same woman that spread lies around about her, did it to me when I did not want to dabble in the inner circle. Man, I feel for Marsha. They had an area meeting telling everyone I had devils when I confronted an inner circle weirdo about her sexual practices and drunkenness. It was awful and suicide did cross my mind. I was robbed of dignity and publicly humiliated. I was not believed and set up as a liar. I was told that it would be better to loose one to save many. So, "this woman" sacrificed me. Slaughtered my integrity. And hoped I would take my own life. Today, I think I would sue her. Anyway, as I sat staring at the nothingness I could hardly speak and suicide kept popping up. Out of nowhere Ex called me and asked, "Are you alright?" I told her "no." I told her what happened, as I knew she would believe me. She saved my life. She informed me that this woman was one of the BOD party girls etc. She was a big liar and lived for the devil - not God. All the things I had seen... I was not crazy. And I did not kill myself, largely due to the timing of that call. I still didn't know VPW was at the helm of this wreck. I could not wait to someday tell him about it so he could help this woman and save the ministry from evil. Then the corps and the coach.... But what that woman did to me plagued me. Finally, Ralph D told me that that woman did the very same thing to Marsha. And that woman was one of Weirwille's pimps. She did get girls for him. She was the evil one and stood up at an area meeting and told 300 people I had devils because I challenged her horrible anti-christ life style. Yea, I feel for Marsha. Years later, I read Marsha's letter and saw she went through the same thing with the same people. As Ralph suggested

Brady I think it was duly noted you were just making us feel comfortable and not challanged. I am sure we all felt the kindness in your post. I think Steve was just kinda sharing why we did delete it, I am sure he got your point as your support was obvious. Thanks for your sweet heart. Her story shows so much of the man behind the curtain.

EX 10 I wish your Dad had done so! What a great story that would have been! smile... Al - good to see you!

I know it is about power but i do think each man had a type the went for -- maybe now and then strayed from the type -- LCM - always athletic types. Long and lean mostly. Attractive woman that were sporty or active. VPW - curvy teenagers Both sickos but the girls I knew fell into these catagories. [This message was edited by Dot Matrix on December 31, 2003 at 17:17.]

Rocky That is very romantic!

Missed you too!

You are right, I know it is about power etc. Mr. Dot did a college paper on it. Did you know people who are raped are most likely raped again? A kind of 4th dimentional signal in the air for predators to smell... Your past was definitely perfume to him -- but being built like freakin' Marilyn Monroe didn't turn him off either. It made his ill appetite much worse. He would not stop with you even to the point where you drank something and had an odd reaction. He wanted you like a stalker... It was very weird. I was a little wild (within guidelines however) and he wanted to tame me I think. IT was all about power and control where I was I think. But the last time he tried to "get" me I was getting into my twenties and he lost interest, I am guessing. He barked at me "Show me your legs" I had on a dress. Before you know it I rolled up my dress to show them. I have no idea why I did it - he just scared the sh it out of me and I responded by obedience. Then, he asked how old I was now? I told him (twenty something) and he said, "You are no spring chicken." Unless I am wrong that was the last time he tried...

Raf Isn't your article on the front page of Grease spot on the subject. I read it a little while ago and it was great.

Doze Welcome to the spot - like your post Def You are correct. I was told that very thing by someone on the research staff. They looked in scripture to validate abortion because girls were getting knocked up by Moggies.

Acts 2 You were a knock out - who are you fooling. You were probably too hot for him! I was average attractive and I had a little bit of a racey "Birth to the corps" paper. (I just told of my first love and it read like a romance novel, where two people did a little pot and loved madly.) So, I think he read it and oh I dunno.... took out my compliment to Excathedra due to a nasty comment made by Sunny1 [This message was edited by Dot Matrix on January 03, 2004 at 5:40.]

Okay Garth, way too deep for me... ;)--> Steve- Boy are you right! I can think of five right now.... Like gee were your parents on pot the night you were conceived? Rocky - Champagne would be good! I do not like the whole butter/oil thing as it messes up the sheets.... Am I a prude? One time, I was dating this guy for a while amd he would work late and sometimes drop by. well, one night he dropped by and I was in a black night gown. I answered the door and he never said a word he just ripped the night gown off as I began to protest because the gown was $50.00 (I used to make money) he pulled out $50.00 and threw it on the floor -- where I wound up. Ggggrrrooowwwllll.....