Dot Matrix

BTW Here is the post of your shy first time poster: First post snaps at Oakspear, dissmisses all the FIRST hand accounts of people and seems a little aggressive for someone who has been lurking for 3 months and has seen the ropes... Many of the responses back to her were much kinder than the tone of her post...

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Jon Exposure of the truth and recognizing the destruction helps people weed it out. Pretending it did not happen allows it to hide and fester. Your view is smaller because you never got as involved as some of us. What was your involvement? Going to twig? Not meant as a slam but as a point to show maybe why you and I are always miles apart. Some people are still weeding out the effects, as the effects were that huge and that woven into us. You are fortunate you were not targeted, crippled or confused for years to come out and wonder ?what happened?? Heck, I met a corps guy who became homeless and lived on the street because of the chain of events that happened to him. Could God have helped him? Of course, John. But when you are so beaten into thinking God cannot even hear you anymore because you left or were thrown out of the corps it does have negative impact on you. Some longer lasting than others. Until this can be talked about, sometimes over and over again, people are isolated in their corner of the world. Perhaps, they still believe they are worthless due to a public lashing by LCM, or having a letter sent out about them by Loy ? I guess there are people who need to declare their allegiance to VPW. I still think they are worthy enough to hear the kind of person they hold in admiration. Then, they can decide if they wish to be like you, Mike and Oldiesman. If they hear it all and decide I love VPW anyway, I guess you do have a point. If a conman is exposed and someone still wants to write a check it is their business and right. But I still think it would be complicit for those of us who know, not make them aware of whom the recipient is. Don?t be angry, be thankful you were spared the grief others lived through. And the same way you think we should not continue to discuss the nightmare on Elm street called ?TWI? you continue to deny what they covered up. So, as annoyed as you are at us, we are at your posturing. I actually read a study on how some cult members need a cult. They NEED it to have a life. Even if presented with what they are involved with, they will not let go because they need it. So, I hope those out there do not crumble who are in need of a cult?. You have shared some painful things that you endured. I hope holding on to a cult leader is not what keeps you going, I mean that. I do not want anything bad to happen to you when it all finally hits home. Shaz, if you were offended I apologize. Kit, I am angry about what goes on in the Catholic church but I love you and my dearest friend here in Atlanta is also Catholic. She is my prayer partner and we discuss God?s love all the time. I think you know that just because one is upset with the actions within an organization, it does not mean all of its members are guilty or frowned upon. However, if you lauded THE perpetrator to the sky rather than God, we would probably disagree. (((((Shaz, Kit))))) Oak, this thread was healing. Behind the scene people who were hurt by the same group are finally seeing what happened to them. Thanks for letting it go on its path. edited for typo's [This message was edited by Dot Matrix on January 01, 2004 at 16:12.]

Thanks I am still laughing! In my mind I was picturing the poopy stuff! Happy New Year!

What? I thought you were answering the topic by speaking of the sex that involves the pooper shoot. Thus the comment - I need to wash the "crap" off. I thought it was funny and in line with what I thought you were being funny about. So, I thought you were funny and replied funny. I am still not clear how it looked like I was taking it personal.... No problem, I wasn't. Just thought you were funny and replied in kind. (Sorry, thought you were speaking abstractly about the anal stuff... :D-->) I reread your post and my answer and am Laughing!!!! I guess you were not talking about the poopy sex!!! Hahaha, boy I missed that one, no wonder you didn't get what I was saying.... Hahaha.... Red face on me... hahahaha "insensitive placement of 'said-plug'!" I am snorting out my coffee)

I know of a few that had break downs... I was told of the suicides. Something they never announced at lunch!

It is a strange world we live in---

Sunesis Weren't you the one that told VP "No" and he belittled you infront of the whole corps -- just to kill you credibility in case you spoke up? Was that you or Valerie? That kill the credibility was tormenting. I heard there were suicides by girls who tried to endure all of this. I was almost among them.

You called and I could not hardly speak. I often wondered if they were making an example of me in rez and you knew you had to call. You kept saying, "Are you alright? Talk to me." I told you, "No" I was not alright. Then, told you how I was told I cannot trust my mind. That the men I saw her with were not really there, etc." You told me not to let them steal my mind, that she was a known "pig" and screwed everything she could, that what I saw was there and not to let them gang up on me and tell me I was crazy -- on and on. You were a couple steps closer to seeing the big picture than I was... You had also seen her bed many people and you knew your mind did not invent that. To hold fast to my own mind as she was evil. Only, you did not have ALL the pieces yet either. Funny thing is two men were going with me to report her. All of a sudden, they back down. Later P told me that he couldn't because they were not going to let him into the corps if he continued. He had a pained look on his face. I think he was piecing things together like the rest of us. No clear picture yet, but alarm bells and the begining of the shocks we would see in rez. He was a GREAT guy and I know he would have never tried to HURT me. But his silence and the other guy backing off threw me into the pit against her -- alone. She was more harmful to me than anyone I have ever met in my life - ever. Then of course I met "her boss" naked. Funny, but right before I went to leadership to "help" her (which they were all in on it, but I did not know) God spoke to me, not audibly like Daddy dearest, but it was one of the longest pieces of info I got that way. He told me somethings that I held onto as 300 people were all talking about my devils... But then I just broke. How could I live if I did not even know what shirt I put on? They were crippling to me. Intentionally... In that desperate state you called and told me I was not crazy - you had seen it too... Don't do anything rash. There was much evil surrounding her.... etc. etc. We were still not clear on the BIG picture... Naive, I went to the coach after being summoned, to solicit VPW's help to fix the things that were happening. Only to see they were happening because of him. It ripped my heart out. I went to a quiet place to fall apart. And cried my guts out... Praise God for the Schoinheit paper etc. to open the door to let us out, so to speak. With a large group leaving, it was not as hard as it would have been by ourselves.

Brady You must be a hottie, someone mentioned it on another thread! Post that picture down in the Picture section!!!! ;)--> Vickles - Thanks for the e-mail. You could not recall her name, but you did describe her -- Sounds like the same woman we are all talking about.... Count yourself lucky, her pitch fork and tail were hiding under her smile and fashionable clothes. She WAS a recruiter. You were being targeted. Next stop - the motor coach...

Dang little Tea cup, I need to go dip myself in some peppermint bath water and get that crap off of me--- ;)-->

Rocky, Whie Dove Those are good examples! So are yours Rottie!

Dang CoryDJ I just looked that up and it is one nasty nasty song - girl. Whhheeeeww, I need to take a shower after reading it!

Here is one: Seasons In The Sun( Terry Jacks ) Goodbye to you my trusted friend We've known each other since we were nine or ten Together we climbed hills and trees Learned of love and A B C's Skinned our hearts and skinned our knees. Goodbye my friend it's hard to die When all the birds are singing in the sky Now that the spring is in the air Pretty girls are everywhere Think of me and I'll be there We had joy we had fun We had seasons in the sun But the hills that we climbed were just seasons Out of time...... Goodbye Papa please pray for me I was the black sheep of the family You tried to teach me right from wrong Too much wine and too much song Wonder how I got along. Goodbye Papa its hard to die When all the birds are singing in the sky Now that the spring is in the air Little children everywhere When you see them I'll be there. We had joy we had fun We had seasons in the sun But the wine and the song like the seasons Have all gone. We had joy we had fun We had seasons in the sun But the wine and the song like the seasons Have all gone. Goodbye Michelle my little one You gave me love and helped me find the sun And every time that I was down You would always come around And get my feet back on the ground. Goodbye Michelle it's hard to die When all the birds are singing in the sky Now that the spring is in the air With the flowers everywhere I wish that we could both be there We had joy we had fun We had seasons in the sun But the stars we could reach Were just starfish on the beach We had joy we had fun We had seasons in the sun But the stars we could reach Were just starfish on the beach We had joy we had fun We had seasons in the sun But the wine and the song like the seasons Have all gone All our lives we had fun We had seasons in the sun But the hills that we climbed were just seasons Out of time...... We had joy we had fun We had seasons in the sun

Cory DJ So glad to see you one of my favorite posters!!! Happy New year! Yeah, Rottie - strange stuff. Onegod That Timothy thing was weird -- eating him and all...

Another example: The Shangrila's The Leader of the Pack back to LYRICS index Is she really going out with him? Well, there she is, Let's ask her. Betty, is that Jimmy's ring you're wearing? Mm-hmm Gee, it must be great riding with him Is he picking you up after school today? Uh-uh By the way, where'd you meet him? I met him at the candy store He turned around and smiled at me You get the picture? (yes, we see) That's when I fell for The leader of the pack. My folks were always putting him down (down, down) They said he came from the wrong side of town whatcha mean when ya say that he came from the wrong side of town? They told me he was bad, But I knew he was sad That's why I fell for The leader of the pack. One day my dad said, "Find someone new" I had to tell my Jimmy we're through Whatcha mean when ya say that ya better go find somebody new? He stood there and asked me why, But all I could do was cry, I'm sorry I hurt you The leader of the pack. He sort of smiled and kissed me goodbye The tears were beginning to show As he drove away on that rainy night I begged him to go slow But whether he heard, I'll never know Look out! Look out! Look out! Look out! I felt so helpless, what could I do? Remembering all the things we'd been through In school they all stop and stare, I can't hide the tears, but I don't care I'll never forget him The leader of the pack The leader of the pack - now he's gone The leader of the pack - now he's gone The leader of the pack - now he's gone The leader of the pack - now he's gone

Remeber the old songs with teens killing themselves or dying? What a weird period in music. Here is one: Patches Dickie Lee Down by the river that flows by the coal yards. Stands wooden houses with shutters torn down There lives a girl everybody calls Patches Patches my darling of Old Shanty town. We plan to marry when June brought the summer I couldn't wait to make Patches my bride Now I don't see how that ever can happen My folks say ?No,? and my heart breaks inside. Patches, oh what can I do? I swear I'll always love you But a girl from that place will just bring me disgrace So my folks won't let me love you. Each night I cry as I think of that shanty And pretty Patches there watching the door She doesn't know that I can't come to see her Patches must think that I love her no more. I hear a neighbor tellin' my father He said a girl name of Patches was found Floating face down that dirty old river That flows by the coal yards in Old Shanty Town. Patches, oh what can I do? I swear I'll always love you It may not be right, but I'll join you tonight Patches I'm coming to you. -------------------- Got any?

Dm Good point! :)-->

Hahahahaha But true! MO you are the anti-Mike! :)--> Love you!

How can our bad behavior cause these things? I read in Guideposts magazine a few years ago about a tornado that hit the church Easter morning and killed all kinds of people who were worshiping God. If that were true, why didn't it miss the church? Of course TWI would say because they were not real believers or something... Oak - that was funny!

Profile of a Sociopath A number of mind-manipulating cult leaders may exhibit many of the behavioral characteristics of a sociopath--an outstanding ability to charm and seduce followers. Since they appear apparently normal, they are not easily recognizable as deviant or disturbed. Although only a trained professional can make a diagnosis, it is important to be able to recognize the personality type in order to avoid further abuse. These traits also apply to a one-on-one cultic relationship. http://home.datawest.net/esn-recovery/artcls/socio.htm

Vick I am trying like heck to figure out of whom you speak -- e-mail me. Oh yes, she was a recruiter if she came out of the blue and started to test the waters. VPW must have had his eye on you. Praise God you were horrified so they backed off. I am so sorry they threw you out, however, the stigma of dropped corps was A LOT to deal with. And yet, in being tossed it took you out of a GREATER harm's way! Boy, what a bunch of crap we all lived through. It is amazing we aren't all in the nut house! PS the same way Alphacat and friends saved you, I am tellin' you Ex called me. She was in her first year in rez. -- ya know how broke everyone always was, I have no idea why she called or where she got the money, but I do think I would have done it if not for that call... So, I know how far they pushed you. They were breaking your mind.

We went through this not to long ago in a thread started by Rottie

Yes, I agree I learned a lot on this one. Especially from The Evan.