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Doze By the way, I loved your story!

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Galen "When I attended the Military Police Academy in Lackland Texas, the FBI instructors taught us that according to their statistics the majority of male rape victims do not live through the experience. I dont recall their numbers but it was an over-whelming majority. Whereas in contrast, female rape victims usually live" One person who spoke with us works with vets who have been sexually abused and the worse case I ever heard was about this young guy -- maybe 19 or 20 years old he was in Viet Nam. He came to the vet treatment center for years and never shared anything. His life had been destroyed by drugs and alcohol... But he would show up religiously and never share. Then one day he broke and shared his story... He was being lifted to a hospital and could hear the medics/Doctor talking about him. They were saying how he was not going to make it. Well, then the physician removed the injured boys pants and began to do oral sex. Who knows why? Sexual gratification under stress? A tyrant offending the helpless... This poor kid had to fight his way back physically then deal with this assault. It did damm near kill him. His life was nothing after the assault and he felt he was robbed of his manhood while he was as low as one person could possibly be, near death, at the hands of the person who was suppose to help him. I wonder how many men had these things happen in TWI that are too ashamed to speak out. It is rough on either sex, but I think men are slaughtered more for opening their mouths than women. If they were raped by a man then they must be a homo sexual.... If a woman raped them... why are they complaining?

Okay, one night at the Limb we were having a - what did we call it when we had wine and bread? A night of healing? Anyway, I went all dressed up and I was the only woman who showed up. Rev. M did the whole teaching on healing and blood/body thing. It was a very serious night. Anyway, in my haste to get ready, I did not have any pantyhose that were in good shape. Instead, I had a pair that was held together by strings and looked like pasta strands with feet. Well, nobody would know -- I wore a great dress ans stylish boots. When I walked up to get my wine, somehow the back of my dress was tucked into my panty hose and everyone saw the shredded mess I was sporting beneath my ruffles. there I was with my butt showing through the holes on one side and in place on the other, my legs had strands of hose and I was a fright! I was red faced! :o-->

Friends of ours gave us passes and we went to see it! I thought it was GREAT. Fast paced, never dull, very good! On a 1 to 10, and 10 is the best, I would give it a 9. Anyone see it?

Lucky girl A brief aside- And Ex maybe you were there that day... When Craig got that God awful perm in his hair? Well, I was on limb staff and from the North east. Ya know, speaking my mind and all. So, these 6th corps were talking about how great Craig was and how good he looked and I said, "I think he looks like a New York fag." One of the corps almost impaled me on a stick! (Apologies to anyone that expression may insult, I said it about 25 years ago and was not thinking about it as it came out. Today, I would have said "gay guy" so I apoplogize, I am not calling YOU a name. Just revealing the story as it happened.)

You are on a roll tonight!

Laughing to death! :D-->

From the attic of my mind -- Happy Birthday! (I still sing that song! ;)-->)

Happy Birthday Firebee. How are you?

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My husband's thesis was on Male rape. It devastates males. especially, if the rapist was female. First, you go to the police and they say things like, "what are you complaining about?" "Got her phone number?" Then, because most of the time they get an erection, they feel like some how they must have liked it. While studying this we researched some examples. Here is one of those examples we got from a rape crisis center: This one man was taken at knifepoint by three women and kept for days and raped over and over again. The police asked him how that could be? He must have enjoyed it! A man can stay erect out of fear. These women had a knife to his private parts and rotated one on one holding the knife etc. This poor guy was a laughing stock by police. There is a great book on male rape called "Victims No Longer" by Lew. In it, a man, while he was a boy, was raped by his father for years. As he grew up he no longer had contact with his father. The son became a Doctor and a very accomplished human being but he always felt dirty and "less than." So, he contacted his father and was going to confront him. The son sat next to him at the bar ready to confront him and the father asked him if he contacted him so they could have another romp in the hay? Many, many cases of males being raped by other men as well as women. The women who were inner-circle were recruiters of other woman and they did hunt down good-looking men to get their needs met. That is sexual abuse. And it did happen in the way via VP's female recruiters (mostly ordained but not all) from the inner-circle. Some of these women went after men sexually to get them to marry them. Talk about the ultimate deception! I know one gal (early corps) who was dating a guy who was not "big" enough in the ministry so she dropped him. She dated one of VP's favorites but he was a player and saw many women. Well, eventually he decided on one girl that was NOT her. So, this woman calls the other guy up and asks him to marry her. Well, he was all in love and had been "involved" with her and thought they had something special. Turns out she was one of Moggies chicks. Sex with her was not special but routine. She would be all over a guy, even if YOU were dating him. There were no boundaries. So, the guy thinks she loves him. He was one of many. He marries her and had no idea she was part of the inner circle! Funny, but I recently heard of a similar story that happened to yet another "good" guy. So, yes men were abused by the women who adhered to these devil doctrines.... I know I am not a guy, but I thought this relevant to your thread. If it is not, please forgive me CW!

I know men that were hit on where it was way over the line. One thing for a Christain woman to ask a guy out, it is another when she unbottons her blouse while asking a guy to study with her. Inappropriate behavior, this happened to a 13th corps guy friend of mine. He was so cool, he said I can find and have sluts anywhere, I am looking for a good girl. He buttoned her back up and sent her away.

dawayback Good post and welcome.

J- thank you for the courage to tell your tale. Boy, you lived through the crap didn't you? And yes, a lot of people who are the "upstanding" in society are the abusers. What about these teachers who go after shcool children? They are talking about a woman who started going after a boy when he was a student at the age of 11. But according to the logic of some I bet he did something seductive. The poor teacher got hot and it was hard to turn off... Puke. Maybe some of these folks on here are sexual abusers, pediphiles or rapist? How would we know? That would actually explain some of these insane responses. I mean, if you are turned on by 13 year olds -- how can you find fault with VP or any other man? I have found that people who EXCUSE sin, are usually engaged in the same sin. If an employee gets a little tippy at lunch - if his boss drinks, he will usually turn a blind eye. That is why with the hard core "excusers" I really wonder who they are and what they do in life to keep saying these things... Maybe they are protecting a "lifestyle" they agree with and are currently living.

BTW, I have a friend who has a daughter who did initiate SEX with an older man. She was very cute and built very well. But she was 15! Now, this guy was not a minister or a Doctor just a good man. Like you hope most are out there. She sat on his lap and began to behave in a very secuctive manner. He told her to knock it off and he called her mother and told her to come get her daughter. He told her mother she needed help. Turns out she did need help. She had been raped by a foreign exchange student who then sought help at the French embassy and was not brought to justice when she was 7. Praise God this man did the right thing. I would like to think 75% of the men out there would. I would like to think that. I find it interesting though how some here seem to think because a young girl acts seductive that she becomes open season. I don't know why OM you seem to think that would be an okay situation in your book. Makes me wonder... Have you been in that situation? BTW, nothing personal here...just expressing my thoughts and opinions

((((Alfa Tom)))) Your red car sounds like great birthday fun!

CW- I agree with what you and Rascal have been saying. I agree with your assessment of the OM. Even when one of the people he "knew" got on here and shared, he still remains in an "I hate the victim" school of thought. We had a girl take Momentus and she got weird like that, nobody could ever talk to her again about anything. She never had compassion again, it was weird. Now, it may not DO that to ALL people but I have seen changes like that in the few I knew that went through EST/Momentus. I had a woman at work try to get me fired and I was angry. She The momentus grad insisted it was not about "that". I was mad about something my parents had done to me and once I faced "it was my problem" I could be free of that evil doer at work. No matter what the problem, if you had a problem it was YOUR fault. She lost all her friends and eventually got fired herself... Funny, it was her fault. It just reminds me of her. She was beyond any ability to reason with. Funny, cause she had her masters in pyscology and was very compassionate until that class. Why argue with him? Same sh it different day. I have a girlfriend who was married to a corps grad and she was to go into the corps for one year with her hubs. They had already made the commitment. Had nothing to do with sinful sex, no birth contol while unmarrieds were frolicking.... They were told "Once you Vow a Vow...." They were told the child may be retarded or bring evil upon them if they did not keep their vows. They were heavily pushed. Fortuatley, her husband was NEVER a "YES" man and he told them to back the F off! But yes, it was pushed on people.

I have a lot of stories but I think they may just be weird more thatn wild... I was in an airplane and as it sat there on the ground all the lights went out. Then, there was NO air! After about 40 minutes, still sitting there, the lights went on and a piece of the ceiling fell down! That was enough for me. I demanded to be let off the flight and do you know they would NOT let me off. All these other people started saying, "If she makes it off we are going with her." I stood there telling them I knew I had rights and I wanted off and they would not let me off. The end is anticlimatic as the plane took off and landed safely -- but I did tell the crew I was reporting them for not letting me off. Okay, so it's not wild. I shared all my stories of meeting angels and miracles and stuff -- I guess I am old now.

Backforty How did you wind up back at his house?

Good stuff, now that there is actually some stories :D-->

Lightside Thanks for sharing that! I loved it!

Tom, We love you!

BTW EX Said She is right. Speak what happened, clear the air of the lies and let people figure it out. We have no obligation to undershepherd here. I hope they get it and feel for them as well... Her post made perfect and balanced sense. Many times we have said things like "I used to feel that way." "I was you." "I would have not believed it if it did not happened to me..." Then, we go on to share things and are jumped. Things we know should be shared. I hope it helps people. I also, at one time, loved Weirwille as the MOG for the world, I defended him to my family, neighbors, church people and friends. I do understand, but what happened happened.

johnny I am glad you had the sense to leave the sewing room... That should have never taken place... Makes me think of the old what would Jesus do? Ya think he would have thought that was a great example of God's clergy? You did the right thing.