Dot Matrix

When you say Let's study this What exactly are you thinking? Seems like you want us to study it and tell you what we think and perhaps you have already made up your mind. What do you think Zoe?

Apparently, some priest put into the "thinking" this 1000 year thing. What the hey? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicism So, there is no 1000 thingy it was all fabricated http://www.historicism.com/

The Parable Jesus said, (in non-editable red ink) an enemy has sown tares (weeds) in the field. The servants ask, should we take the tares out? Jesus says no, let them both grow until the harvest. Then take up the tares FIRST and gather them into bundles, then burn them up. THEN (next) gather up the wheat in my barn. The devil is the enemy, the tares are the children of the devil (sinners), the wheat are the children of God (saved). The harvest is the end of the world (not 7yrs before the end of the world). At which time, I shall send out my reaping angels, to remove all the offending TARES [ plucked out from the living ], to burn them causing wailing and gnashing of teeth. THEN (next) shall the righteous shine forth as the sun, in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. Who is taken and who is left behind and when? http://www.thiefinthenight.org/taresthenwheat This guy thinks the TARES are taken from the wheat. It says in the wheat parable area that the tares are taken first, bundled then burned. Then, the wheat is harvested. Are there two different events? The tares LEAVE. Two are sleeping and one is taken... Then, the wheat are in a state of restitution as in Acts 3: 20-21 -- then the gathering? Jesus is taken up until restitution has been made. Does that mean the until the TARES are gone? THEN the return? I never thought about the TARES being TAKEN, I just always thought we would go up into the air... Leaving all the tares etc. here on earth. Read what this guy wrote. Whatcha think?

Waysider: I am impressed that you could read it with no breaks. I couldn't it was too many words altogether -- but it did seem to just be Romans - the part I could read before I gave up. And WHY are we reading this Zoe? Welcome, by the way.

Cool. Welcome back!!

The longer things go on the clearer things become -- This really sounds like what happened to me: http://toogoodtobereal.blogspot.com/2006/0...-sociopath.html Edited to ADD this http://toogoodtobereal.blogspot.com/2006/0...ic-partner.html

I want to read it as well but it is very difficult without paragraph breaks. Thanks Dooj for bringing it up. Maybe we can copy it and break it up to read it via "MS word" ourselves.

Oh yeah, thanks Dooj

This is Snidley and Dudley Do-right. I do know of the cartoon you are referencing -- I cannot think of his name. The dog? Didn't he have a girlfriend Penelope or something? http://www.conversationmarketing.com/foiledagain.JPG

. Bow!!!

Pond: Your analysis has missed the mark as have your responses. To phrase the question like that presupposes that I agree with you. I do not. But I can start a general thread and you specifically judged me. Tssk Tssk Pond. Seems to be an understanding problem on your end - not a judgment problem on mine. To equate a small child (developing and learning) placing their hand in fire to an adult who missed the NORMAL signals of HER child - is ludicrous. And even a small child would not continue to stick his/her hand in the FIRE he/she would LEARN. So, for you to make a jump to brainwashing behooves me, how do you make these connections to prove your point? Sorry, IMO, your point is weak, your argument anemic and your examples are feeble. Geez Pond, at least put some thought into your attempts to insult me and feature my inabilities. All you have done is showcase yours. I mean, "think". Make it worth my time to respond. And God's children are not SO IGNORANT of Satan’s ability to hurt us. The scripture repeatedly sirens warnings that if heeded we are not harmed. Do you read the Bible? I am not showing "human frailty" "as science just figuring it out or as new". But that science and the Bible are saying the same thing about minds void of judgment. (Thanks, for the fodder to prove my point, BTW) A person may ignore their “own” safety, but they usually UNDERSTAND the warning and choose not to heed it. For a mother to ignore signals in their child is outrageous. It is counter intuitive. Or a perhaps an illness. Which is in part the point of the thread. edited for a typo

Thanks Rumrunner. Mwah I was not passing judgment but asking people to think. Thanks for "getting" it. Not all will. It is okay. And isn’t that kinda the point THAT PEOPLE GET TO A PLACE WHERE THEY LOOSE THEIR ABILITY TO JUDGE CORRECTLY. Their compass is askew. Rather than the question they find the minimal portion of God’s word – or flip things around to become unable to perceive danger or fear to acknowledge it. So, in your opinion, when the car is heading for someone – we do not have the "right" to surmise the person, who refuses to move out of the way, may have "thinking" that is not functioning properly? Instead, you expect us to think, who are we to judge the pedestrian refusing to move? OR the driver who is speeding toward them? Judging and reasoning is a part of everyday life. And to deny it, refuse to use it or to “not” review it puts one at risk of loosing sound judgment. Or to hold onto a scripture about "judging" so that reasonable observations are ignored – would that not be part of loosing “sound judgment” or the ability to reason logically? God expects us to think. And in that thinking there should be some reasonable conclusions. Rum – see I always took scripture and being blinded and unable to see as if it meant they were “blind to scripture” and kind of separated “scripture” away from “life” and all aspects of life. I think maybe the “god” of this world – blinds “them” period. They become blind in all kinds of areas – not just to scripture but to blatant truth in all arenas as the world is owned by Satan. Do you think it applies to the “whole” rather than just directed at the people seeking the Bible? I think it does. And I think even SCIENCE shows there is something unreasonable with the mind who refuses to see danger. They, the god of this world, evil people and that ilk actually try to dull us in order to have “evil” happen in everyday life.

Bol- Maybe this will help. LCM may have been a victim in the beginning, like every fresh faced person seeking the Lord was snared. But he did not stay a victim, walk away, or try to correct things, he became an aggressor. You can be struck in the head with a board and the guy can run away from you. You are a victim. If you then pursue the man and hit him back you become an aggressor in the eyes of the law. (In the eyes of your beer buddies “a guy picked on you and they got what they deserved” but) According to the law once you are no longer threatened and you begin to act aggressively you are a perpetrator regardless of the fact that you were responding to being a victim to begin with. Jiggle this a bit and I think it applies.

My friend passed his master's degree program in religion. When he sent for the transcripts from his corps days they sent back a paper saying "PFAL" grad. (ONLY) He knows the classes were not accredited, however they count as "life experience" which counts as credit. I called a lawyer to help him and have not heard yet, but all those classes he can get some credit for -- they will not acknowledge. Anyone else have this problem? I need these to get into the program I am trying to enter as well...

Not for kids -- some Adult content Thematic Apperception Test http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thematic_Apperception_Test I heard of a case where a small girl was screaming at the very site of this woman’s boyfriend. The child would cower under the kitchen table. The child would vomit and shake at the site of this “man.” But the mother/woman would leave her daughter in “his care” daily. She noticed bruises and other marks on her child and the behavior was worse and worse. But there was always an explanation – and she did not actually SEE her daughter get the bruises, even though it was after she was in HIS care. One day, the man finally snapped and the child is now blind, paralyzed and in a metal state of disconnect at the hands of this man. The child was young -- around four years old. She will never be the same. They want to prosecute the mother as well. She said she never saw any warning signs and her boyfriend is a “good” man who just snapped or was trying to instruct her daughter and things just went sour. They gave her a Thematic Apperception Test. There was a picture where a car is speeding toward a pedestrian and they asked her what was happening in this picture? The normal responses were he is going to get hit. He needs to get out of the way!!! She responded “These are old friends and the driver is going to stop the car and they are going to talk catching up on old stuff.” This woman suffers from the inability to process or perceive danger. This intrigued me, as in years gone by, here at the GS we had woman (en) share some things like how VPW taught them to “have sex” with him would help them find love (or whatever the exact stuff was…) And one poster in VPW’s defense said he might be testing her to help her grow. (OR something to that effect.). The responses from these few people here have baffled me. Totally irrational imo. But when this came up on warped perception – I began to apply it to some of what we have witnessed here. Could some be brain washed to the end that perception and deceived minds are void of judgment, as in this case? I wondered if a drunk guy with a naked penis were driving a motorcoach toward a young girl praying to God to know Jesus... If they would say, "She is praying for an old man to take her to new levels of understanding with his penis." Where most would say "RUN!!!!" Some pics http://www.macalester.edu/psychology/whath...stImage13MF.gif What do you see in this picture? Give the back story and what is happening here and what the future holds. http://gamestudies.org/articleimages/12_gr...l_image002b.jpg How about this one? Give the back story and what is happening here and what the future holds. Or this one? http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3180/233389..._507445430b.jpg Or this one? http://farm1.static.flickr.com/116/2609804...a52267e.jpg?v=0 or this? http://media.dothaneagle.com/dothaneagle/g...oads/rving1.jpg I should have probably put this under "open" or "the Way" Cause I do not have an exact verse in mind... Where one can be so blind to the obvious that they call good bad and bad --- good. It is not just in church settings, but in "life" as is the example at the top. The people who are unable, or became unable, to see BAD when bad is so very obvious to everyone else. Is this "the god of this world blinding people"??? I always thought of that as just in God stuff.. but this is in everyday life stuff. The blindness is so pervasive - I always thought it was framed in religious venues -- when the Bible speaks of void minds and blindness. I never thought about the people who just cannot see "truth" anywhere as being spiritually blind -- or the "cult" blindness being explained as biblical and scientific... Am I making sense? The devil just blinds people to all kinds of reality not just scriptures. I guess, that is what I mean to say and to ask.

Geisha My friend auditioned for America Idol. And when I followed "Rock Star" they all said it was set up that Luke would win over that Rockin' chick that could really sell a song. It is all fixed and decided. However, a minister friend of mine from AZ sent me Susan Boyle in an Email the other day and it is obvious she is not pretty, thin or sexy by the regular thinking of most people. To see her belt out a song that reaches your core was delightful and surprising to ME. It was incredible to see someone who does not look like Faith Hill get a shot because she has "talent." It was refreshing and for a moment it enabled me to revisit my dreams as still being possible.

Twinky: I agree I think it is VERY ODD. And I am not buying a book on the "spider" prayer... To me it is BS and about money.

Cman good insight. I am still intrigued

Zixar: I have missed you!!!! Dot

I think it would be pretty weird of God -- who knows everything -- would not be able to place HELL --- if it is a place in the earth -- in a little better spot than where people would one day dig for oil - or science stuff. Ya know? Its not like we ever found paradise -- that was well guarded. So, I would imagine that some bumble heads could not dig into the gates of hell and hear millions screaming... Just the logic of it. However, to think, for just a minute, that millions of people are screaming was kinda a ucky thing to hear... And got me wondering about "hell". Who goes to hell? Just the spirits that caused all the problems?

dooj :)

Groucho -- I agree!!

Mod Cow I think the spoof on MAD cow -- in your name --is pretty funny too And yes Pa-Pa Tucket, I forgot to say "thanks"

Congrats!! And you write VERY well!!! LMAO

Waysider HE is a big deal in ATL. I have always enjoyed his teachings -- but it did seem like fear to motivate people to come to Jesus rather than love - I suppose Cman give me more I am not following you