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Thanks all! http://www.lynnehancher.co.uk/aaahop.htm I think my ear is clogged and that may cause the ringing. (Like maybe deep wax started to move and got stuck?) I am going to try your stuff MJ then if nothing happens I will have to go to a Doc. Anyone else have ideas?

I mean if it is just more wax I can use another candle. I looked it up on the net and found Tinnitus where it maybe ear wax or a need of magnesium. Ahhhhhhhhgguuuuhhhh! The pain has stopped. Ringing carries on...

Dear Folks: I used some ear candles to remove wax from my ears as I was told they could help migraine headaches. Everything went well. I went to sleep and awoke with PAIN in my right ear and ringing. So, I used another candle and more wax was removed and all was clear -- I went to sleep and awoke with the same thing. So, I can either stay up or.... What should I do?

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Well said!

"If VPW was a charlatan later is another fact but, that charlatan's teaching saved that man's life for my hands were there but so was our Lord because of it." God saved that man's life. The teachings you learned were from BG Leonard's class and he taught about GOD. We were lucky that God was able to work in a crap storm because TWI was and is a crap storm. God loved that man and by his power was he healed. It was God's grace and mercy. Your compassion and the teachings of BG Leonard and others allowed some of God's goodness to leak into what we were taught. Because God wanted him healed and because you heard some of God's goodness despite Weirwille's crap that man was reached. Have you read any archived things on PFAL? Or on the promise made to BG Leonard that was mysteriously similar to Weirwille's "promise" etc. etc.? PS Just because people are speaking the truth does not mean they are bitter. You think people are muddy and leaking cisterns? I think people like you have their head in the sand.... Perhaps you should go to God and ask him to wipe the sand from your eyes so your vision can be 20/20 and you can really see what went on. Unless you are another one here to bring us back to the greatness of the Moggie and his Class... Which has little to do with God, IMO. I am glad you found God in the midst of all of this and have retained love in your heart. But your post sounds demeaning to those that are telling it like it is... And if they saw things you didn't like then they are bitter....

Song I think this thing got WIDE because of the line across your page. See if taking it out can shrink this sown please. It is hard to read. Thank you.

Great post Daizbro I was in a branch after I graduated the corps. I had gotten this guy involved with TWI. The branch leader was a pain in th butt corps zealot and wanted my new recruit to live with him -- "at the feet of the man of God for the area." The recruit came to me on the side and asked what to do. Well, I knew the "leader" needed someone to move in to get help financially and that the recruit would be used. Also he was deciding to go into this great business venture the branch leader wanted him to pull out of so he could be "more committed" to moving the word. I told the recruit, if it were me I would NOT move in with him and I would go into the business. Don't let anyone talk you out of what you want to do or guilt you into something using "Pleasing God" as the carrot at the end of the string. So, he did not move in, he did get involved and bought the business with his friends and is a millionaire today and a part owner in a huge chain restaurant. Others: So we are all in agreement - there were some BAD corps. Not all corps but enough to make people notice "corps" was not always a good thing and sometimes and in some places it meant one bad leader after another. I just wish people could see the corps was the brainstorm of VPW and what you saw in the "hurtful" corps was due to training. (that is not to say that some jerks went into the corps, but the training had a lot to do with the bad things people saw on the field). I am not shocked that people think the corps sucked cause of all the stories I hear and lived through -- I am just shocked that people still refuse to lay it at Moggies feet where it belongs. How can anyone be a VPW loyalist and dislike the corps? The bad corps were a reflection of the bad men running the corps. IMO

PT Roy

Kinda need the context here: Socks said: "But if the calling destroys the vessel it lives in, what's really going on?" http://gscafe.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=9...242&m=555100591

Om I will try and hunt down anything I may have left and compare it. I have notes that were completely hand written. I may not have them anymore. Possibly still in a trunk that has been closed for years.

Most companies do that. I was an executive asst. for a Vice Prez and I signed his name all the time. I responded to some of his mail and only took things I thought were appropriate to him. It really is common place. Perhaps a Christian org should have done better by at least telling you that Dr. so and so passed the letter on to me.... But hey, people got a thrill out of thinking VPW actually answered them and I guess everyone thought that was the kind thing to do. Maybe not honest... But kind... I guess.

Leaf and Andrea Lots of love and good thought being sent you. Leaf - you are not alone...

VP told me that if I wanted HIM to actually get my letters to put the letter in a second envelope inside the outside envelope. The inside envelope should say on it "VPW confidential" then he would get THAT letter otherwise it was answered by his staff.

Two sides of the coin: I was out as a WOW and I was corps. I had a girl in my "family" who did not bathe - ever. She did not brush her teeth, she did not change her clothes and she smelled so bad I cannot even suggest how bad in print. I really felt terribly over-matched about how to deal with it. I never knew anyone who refused to bathe. The other WOW's were complaining (rightfully so), as was the other family. She could not get a job for the obvious reasons. So, here we are two weeks after the ROA and she is sleeping in the same clothes she wore EVERY day. I kept asking her "Are you okay?" Thinking something bad happened to force this behavior. "Are you going to wear that again?" "Do you need to use my shampoo?" I tried to be subtle. I thought once she gets comfortable she would bathe and change her clothes on her own without my having to talk about it, or insist upon it. It was awkward. She did not. So, we all got jobs except for her and began to bring in some money and some people to twig. I covered her bills with money I had in the bank. Then, I had the talk with her. She acted like she understood. She changed her clothes but she did not bathe. We spoke again. Then, she did get into the tub but did not brush her teeth or wash her hair. I made up a chart and told her she had to check things off on the chart and hand it to me. She had enough sense that when she had her "time of the month" to use proper things and throw them out in the trash... Why couldn't she bathe? Some days she would hand me the chart and you could see she had not bathed. So, I told her we could not live with someone who refused to take a bath. It was a bad example and counter productive to why she was a WOW. I asked her if she wanted to leave the field? Are you okay? Why won't you bathe? She lied about it and continued to "miss things" on the chart such as "brush teeth"... She still did not have a job and I used more of my money to pay her share, as the others did not earn enough to help cover her. Checklist: Wash hair Brush teeth Take a bath Change underwear Put on clean clothes I told the LC and he said to "work with her". So, I went into the bathroom with her and watched while she brushed her teeth and put actual suds on her stringy greasy hair... Then, one day the LC takes her "away" for a couple days. Later, I find out she was pregnant. She was wrapping up "sanitary pads" and putting them in the trash to hide the fact. The LC took her to have an abor*ion. Guess who was a jerk? I was. The LC thought I was a jerk because I should have spiritually known she was pregnant AND the WOW thought I was a jerk because I watched her brush her teeth and wash her hair. (How dare I?) There were two sides to the coin. In this case, I was the coin. One side LC thought I was a jerk and the other side WOW thought I was a jerk. Yes, there were awful corps. There was nice corps. There were awful believers. There were nice believers. We were in a cult... Galen in rereading your post it seems that we were a group of extremes. Extremely nice or extremely not nice and so forth. Extremely cool (played in a band) or extremely weird ( would not bathe). They put us together to "learn" something. Thing is a lot of us learned how to be unhappy and leave. We were suppose to be moving toward a balance... But they did not have that marked. People bounced back and forth from extremes. I am sure there are exceptions to this. But as we are all talking it brings back my experiences and there sure were a lot of people I considered unhealthy on both sides of the coin. As was I, for staying in a place where no matter what you did it was "not good enough" or it was "the wrong thing to do" to someone. It was a breeding ground for defeat. Once in rez, a guy stood in front of a door just looking at it. I believe it went like this... He was asked, "What cha doin'?" He said. "I don't know if I am allowed to open it or not." He was asked, "What?" "I was asked to get something and I don't know if I can open the door. I don't want to do the wrong thing." That was the corps. Everything was the "wrong thing" until you broke into a boot lickin', azz kissing, mean jerk who taught the "weirwiile" philosphies to people. The corps was about breaking people down - not building them up and restoring them to something better -- they broke you if they could, and left you that way. Those that fought back did not last long or were tossed out as "dropped" (or they hid the fact that they were nice as they tried to figure out how to survive and what was going on? Some of them actually got some good assignments - thank God -- and were nice. Until of course, they were under someone who tried to force them out.) Remember that? The newsletter with the name of the person and "dropped" next to it? How awful. So, you either shut-up and hid Were thrown out left or complied with zeal to the movement of the word -- the word of Weirwille....

Oak I was told this often: "TWI leaders constantly fed my ex-wife verses about withdrawing, separating, not being unequally yoked, in the context of a marriage." And we divorced.

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((((Roy)))

Roy Your life has not been an easy one. It almost seems unfair for someone who has a warm heart to suffer so many things. Gos loves you Roy and he hears the quiet whispers of your heart as well as the loud requests you make when asking him for help. He has his angels around you. He watches over you day and night with love. Roy, I do not know why you had it so hard and I am very sorry that a kind tender soul like you ever had one person snicker or laugh at you in school. It was hurtful and wrong behavior. I am mad that those people did not even pay you for your business that you developed and I am unsure why you sold it. It seemed like a true blessing from God to bless you with an income where you would be taken care of. Roy, can you start up another window washing business? Or if you like animals Petsmart has programs to teach people dog/cat grooming. Where are you now? Are you back with your mother? Is she okay? Funny you are so smart in math but not the other areas, for math is the thing I cannot grasp. Even a simple check book becomes the enemy when I try to balance it. How is your heart? You know Pat Roberge had a heart problem and went to BG Leonard's class and BG prayed for him and he was healed. You may want to PT him as the story is encouraging. Roy, I wish you good things and lots of love.

Hey 9th corps did you see what Joe believer wrote on the nice leader thread thing: "Early on as a newbie Mike Gudorf for teaching New Testament Greek (on his own in his apt.) in Chicago. Great class and instructors were very helpful. Then there was Joe Kristen and his wife, Debbie Feese. God, Joe had a way of being a stickler on the Word then turn around and make you laugh your *** off. Never turned any one away from a fellowship I don't think. Debbie ran a fellowship 'fore marrying Joe in the area and she was awesome and sharp with people too. Just to watch her work with total strangers and minister the Word was something."

Did you all see City of Angels with Meg Ryan? She was a Doctor and she asked the question, "If we are fighting so hard to keep people alive -- did you ever wonder who were we fighting?" That is how I feel about Sock's comment. It was powerful. Because: "But if the calling destroys the vessel it lives in, what's really going on?" And if people felt called to serve via the corps and it was a destructive program then who called us? Our hearts were hearts to serve and to love but were we tricked into the corps to kill those "hearts" by the devil? Afterall, VPSatan ran the dang corps. And as Catcup said: "I believe in order to "get along" at HQ and at higher levels, you had to compromise or kill something inside yourself to do it." Mmmmmm Steal, kill and destroy....

Ex10 Yes it was the being as well as the doing for sure... That was pressure to have people always expecting you to have the answers because you had a green name tag.... Ahhhh, it was a lot of crap! White Dove- Good insight. But I know people who preach in other churches who believe they were "called " to serve in that capacity. Then, what you are suggesting is that if there was one "calling" then perhpas the "call" to be a minister is not a call but a choice. I NEVER saw it in that light before.... Very interesting... Where does that leave gift ministries? I guess any believer can have those gifts and if the body of Christ is meek it will recognize them -- this is a whole other canyon of thought.