Modgellan

This thread is now unlocked and the original post and one reply have been restored. You all are welcome to continue provided comments stay within the rules for GSC.

Replies to this post have been hidden for the time being and it is locked to future comments for now. They were coming in too rapid fire succession to handle any other way. i will review things this evening. I cannot right now because of, well… other things I need to do. - Modgellan In other words, everyone take a breather. Christians and non- christians are both still welcome at GSC. Gots ta go for now.

Ok, the overwhelming bulk of this thread has been superb discussion about Charity’s topic. Unfortunately there has been a bit of distraction that has gone on and those have devolved into rule violations of personal attacks and name calling. Those MUST stop beginning NOW. I have chosen not to remove or edit those posts, but if more appear after this warning those will be removed in their entirety and the violator may be subject to requiring admin approval for future posts here. Remember no matter what we hold dear in our beliefs, or are affirming, searching for, or developing of those beliefs, we each are free to participate in any topic in any forum at GSC. The only restrictions are to stay within the rules and preferably have something to do with the topic as it will develop. Disagree with another as much as you want, but do not attack each other personally. You do this by expressing your own beliefs or basis, not by impugning another’s character or integrity. Use the “report” button rather than attacking back and forth. The thread is now reopened. -Modgellan

I am temporarily locking this thread to further comments while I catch up and review it

Ok, I have unlocked this thread again. I think the discussion should continue so that participants can clarify the points they are making. My only caution is to remain clear of turning it into a political discussion. Discussing how we raise children in families or as a society can easily be done without making it political.

Sigh, whatever. Sometimes you make plans and then life gets in the way and something gets delayed. comments are turned off on this post. Go to the other one if you must.

Sorry, No they cannot

Thank you Paw and GT. The new underwear is marvelous even if the top coat has a few days worth of holes.

Moderator’s note: with the server upgrade on June 5, 2023, we lost a few days worth of previous posts. I happened to have copied this one from Penworks. So I have pasted it back in here. penworks Posted June 2, 2023 · IP Like Sunesis, I was in one of the early Corps, too. The Second Corps. There are lots of threads here on Greasespot that contain accounts. I am also the author of Undertow, and if you notice in the book, I reference two other books that readers have found helpful. The first one is Losing the Way by Kristen Skedgell which is her true story of VPW seducing using her (mentioned above in Waysider's post.) I happened to know her back then but did not know this dark side of her Way experience until after we both left The Way. The other book is The Cult That Snapped: A Journey Inside The Way International by Karl Kahler. In Karl's book, you'll find at least one woman's first-hand account of her sexual experiences with VPW and she uses her real name. She was in the First Corps. Since leaving The Way and publishing Undertow, I now know of many women who were sexually used by VPW, because they either told me themselves, or someone close to them told me. I cannot/will not divulge their names. I get messages through my website on a regular basis from women who've been sexually abused by other Way leaders, too. It's part of VPW's disgraceful legacy.

Allow me to refer you to this post by Paw in Open regarding where the last 5 or 6 days of posts went: You are welcome to repost what is missing if you wish. No posts were removed this week due to any moderator actions.

Thank you Raf for posting this up. I would like to add two things. This special offer for the year from the server people requires the full $400 be paid in advance, and is available only for a limited time. Time is of the essence. Whatever we each can muster out of our pockets ASAP is vital to taking advantage of the deal. Further, and also quite important, it includes an extremely needed upgrade to the operating system. Finally, there really is no reason Paw should have to bear the brunt of the operating expenses of this place at this stage in his life. If we can reach this immediate goal it will, for now, give some breathing room. Let’s do this! Thank you each for doing whatever you can do to help.

Yes, there is a thread here: https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/25187-craig-has-his-own-offshoot-going-on/

Stay on topic, which is pretty clearly described in the title and first few posts. (a few posts were removed)

Thank you Penguin2 and Penworks

It is 2023 now. GSC could really use some donations again. It is a new year, and there are new monthly bills to pay. Thank you for using the “Donate” button (at the top of each forum) throughout the year, especially now.

We have another thread about this mailing, located here:

Hi Rhinolola, I am not sure what forums you can see, but recent threads and posts have not been only by one person. Browse around more perhaps?

And an accurate representation.

No politics no disinformation no apology from me.

Just a reminder, we are still hoping for a few more donations to help Paw out for this year. Every little bit helps, and he is very grateful for those who have already donated. If you haven’t yet, thank you for considering either a one time donation or perhaps a smaller monthly or bi-monthly one if that works better for you. Or just now and then even! He needs to keep the coffee and cinnamon buns warm all yeaR

This topic was locked to comments while it was under review. Numerous posts by several people were removed or edited due to either political content, falsehoods, or personal attacks. This thread has walked a fine line since the day it began, but for the most part people stayed within the bounds. When you perceive (rightly or wrongly) that someone steps over the line, it is NOT necessary, funny nor wise, for you to leap over it yourself. You know better. Report it and move on.

There is a big difference between opinion pieces and either peer reviewed papers, empirical studies, or review articles… Everyone has an opinion. The other types have much more legitimate research backing them.

The link worked for me, thanks

Welcome back Ham! The forum, “Ask the Greasepot Cafe”, was set up to enable someone to ask a question about TWI without needing to register here. I think it was patterned after something available on Reddit or somewhere. once the question has been approved to post by a moderator, anyone can answer or discuss. The other forums still do not need moderator approval to post, but DO (as was always the case) require the user to be a GSC member to post. Paw still owns this squirrelly place.

I will point out there is a Memorium post (in that forum) for Lynn. Last I looked, there was exactly one reply to it. Those who wish to not discuss his controversial stance on the primary health issue of the past two years should avail themselves of that thread, where accusations against him will not be entertained. Other than in the Memorium thread, feel free to express yourselves on the subject where appropriate. You needn’t wait six months as a grieving period for John. His legacy is ongoing his teaching is currently continuing to affect others as of this day. Lynn made himself fair game on the subject, and spent years developing- and teaching to others- his position. It was not a single, momentary, lapse. It was nothing like the examples given in this thread from TWI’s legacy. He taught it for years. That being said, this thread is in “About The Way”, and as such, The Way Int. should be the *primary* focus. However, in the OP’s second post on this thread, he indicated that part of the reason the topic came to mind was the direction the Lynn Legacy discussion in Open Forum had taken. It was reasonable therefore for that controversy to be mentioned here also, with an explanation as to how it differed from the given examples of TWI’s practice. Point made.