Broken Arrow

Not that it really matters, but I'm pretty sure Barnard was WC12. He was once used as an example of how someone could start home-based fellowships. In another group setting, I saw him confront leaders about how they conducted themselves publicly around women. I felt very sorry for his wife who was also present.

Yeah, the phrase is in the Bible, but it doesn't have this specially anointed connotation Wierwille put with it. I think the phrase applies to women as well. If you're a Christian, Jesus Christ is supposed to be Lord meaning that if anyone is THE Man of God for our day and time, it's Him! Again VP preached the "absent Christ". Call it what you will, but it's not Christian doctrine by anyone's definition.

You think they sang that to Craig?

You know, I could never again hear "Roll Away" and I would be just fine. That and "Happy Trails".

Hmm, maybe that's my problem.

I just thought of something. Do you think that during the 1st century, when the believers in Rome had to meet in the catacombs, that there was some elite group who went ahead of everyone and did set-up? You know, like taking string and making sure all the rocks were aligned and were decent and in order? Then they'd get ripped by the Apostle Peter if a rock were out of place? Peter: "Dammit! You call yourself Corps? How am I supposed to preach the gospel with a rock out of place?" Peter: "Why is there dirt all over the floor? The lighting is terrible and there's a musty odor in here. Why's that?" Believer: "Um, because we're meeting in a cave to hide from the Roman authorities who are trying to kill all of us." Peter: "Well, I'm sorry, the Word just won't move without things being decent and in order. I can't teach here. I'd like to, but the Word can't be taught in such a dirty place. Sorry, I'm off to Galatia".

It's not a book you can buy. It was a gift from LCM to VPW when he was installed as prez. Of course, the Corps was privileged to spend hours upon hours listening to it read.

I believe the exact wording was something like, "Corps, if you can't stand with me during the Rock, then don't bother with standing with me at Corps Week either" (sniff sniff) A couple of years before that he sent out a Corps letter which stated, "If you have to choose between ROA and Corps Week, Corps Week is the priority". Well, I guess the revelation changes as the circumstances change.

Too bad. We could've used this wisdom later on.

One's spirituality was considered in direct proportion to how loud and angry they could sound during a teaching. We would walk away from those teachings saying, "Wow! He really 'nailed' it"!

I would predict the latter.

There's stuff written about him in Acts, for starters. He didn't write Acts as you know. Peter also makes reference to him in his writings and besides this, there is information in profane writings.

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I think John makes a good point albeit maybe it could have been put a little differentally. Most people think their beliefs are the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Anyone who disagrees with their point of view must be deficient in knowledge. Or, as the writers of the article say, "against knowledge". The authors of the NYT article implying that evangelicals are close minded etc. is the pot calling the kettle black.

I think "those people" John is referring to are the writers of the NYT article that was linked to Penwork's original post.

With respect to the New York Times article you referenced, I have to chuckle whenever I hear of those who criticize evangelicals for being a "non-thinking" group. Then they point to things like climate change and evolution and shake their heads pitifully and accuse evangelicals of being "against knowledge", and "rejecting reasoning". I chuckle because in truth it's the critics themselves who are opposed to having their own beliefs questioned. They speak of evolution and climate change as hard facts and speak of anyone who questions these premises as ignorant and stupid. I'm not going to go into the arguments themselves except to say there are very intelligent people who with sound reasoning and logic question these two theories. Evangelicals have come under fire for wanting to present creationism as an alternative to evolution. Doing so draws ire from those who are "open-minded" and "pro-knowledge". Rejection of reason...give me a break! Having said that, yes, there are evangelicals who are extremists whose viewpoints are certainly questionable. Evangelicals aren't the only group that has those who hold extreme viewpoints.

Couldn't handle the "long walk" across campus, eh?

That's just silly i.e. your "services weren't needed". So were your "services needed" in the city you currently reside? Why did you not choose a city closer to your home like Akron, which is closer to Cleveland?

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Double post.

Sorry...didn't fully read previous post before posting.

They told you that? Did they tell you where your services were required?

I don't think the road was name after VP Wierwille. I always assumed (as many roads in Ohio are) that it was originally named after the family that had a farm there. In other words, it was called Wierwille Rd. before VP was born. I could be wrong but is a common practice in rural areas.