Broken Arrow

It's not Maggie's Farm, and parts of the title are not in the first line. Here's more of the song... "Ain't gonna work out on the railroad, ain't gonna work out on the farm. "Gonna lay around this shack, till the mail train comes back...."

Everyday People...Sly and the Family Stone. "Ain't gonna work out on the railroad, ain't gonna work out on the farm"

For me it's even creepier. I look in the mirror and I wonder why my dad is looking back at me! :wacko:

You are indeed correct!

You don't care for me I don't care about that

Really? Clapton played lead? All these years and I never knew that. I'm glad I showed up here! Anyway, this sounds very familiar but I can't place it so I'll be quiet now!

I look at you all, see the love there that's sleeping...

I kinda thought you'd be all over that one George! Sorry to interrupt the thread...I believe it's Waysider's turn.

That would be "Get Back". I always thought it was "Jojo was a man who thought he was a woman". I was thinking of that while noticing that... "Sunshine came softly a-through my, window today".

Hmmm...you make a good point. I'm going to have to think about this some more.

I think you nailed it on the head Oakspear, except I think leaders were needed. We just didn't need leaders sanctioned and under the control of The Way International. The fact TWI didn't know how to raise up leaders only exacerbated the problem. The cream should have been allowed to rise to the top so to speak. Any talents or abilities exhibited could have been encouraged and strengthened instead of saying, "We'll make you into a leader." But who was there to do that? We were all in our 20's with very few middle-aged folks to guide. You think maybe Wierwille ran them off, or maybe they ran off? After all, if Wierwille would have had peers around, someone may have confronted his character and conduct. Now we couldn't have that could we?

Nice picture!

It was about money. With all the hype in those days about going into the WC, how would it have looked to the general masses if someone were an effective leader while not being WC grad? Also, the program would have worked better if there were very vew corps assignments. In other words, TWI (as it were) would provide the training. Perhaps the training would help someone formulate a goal or vision for their ministry or whatever. After graduation, the individual would decide what to do, not Father Wierwille. Maybe it would be to start a new work somewhere; maybe it would be to support a work already in existence. I think that was the way it was originally promoted. TWI was not qualified to run a program such as this because the truth was they knew almost nothing about developing leaders. They were incompetent and ineffective but they would laud the WC program to the skies. Most people I knew in The Way Corps were just regular people trying to accomplish something for God, or so we thought. Many, and I saw it myself, acted less than kind when they went on the field. I'll offer two reasons for this, there are probably more. 1) The "acting tough was a cover for a feeling, or inner suspicion, of inadequacy; inadequacy as a leader, and possibly inadequacy as a person. 2) This tough, "in your face" behavior was what was modeled to us in our "training". We thought that was how a leader was supposed to act. As I mentioned, not everyone acted this way. I can think of some people who did not. Keep in mind, the reality of the whole thing is that we were just a bunch of kids who thought we knew what we were doing. If you were 30 back then, you were old. I think back to some of my own actions and I bristle. I would never do those things now. When I read posts here on GSC about some idiotic thing a Corps grad did or said, I rack my brains trying to figure out if the person might be talking about me. I'm sure there are followers out there who could tell some very interesting stories about my "leadership style".

I just read an article that said this movie was actually a flop when it was released in 1946 (1948?). They said the advent of t.v. brought it back into public view when they wanted to start showing holiday films. Isn't that something? You think about it though, it deals with some pretty "heavy" subject matter.

Why...whatever are you talking about? Have you forgotten H@yes Geh@gen? Now there's an insider for VPW if there ever was one. What with one 2-year term in the Maine State Senate, surely he was privy to our nation's most valuable secrets. I remember on more than one occasion VP coming to a meeting and starting it with, "I just got off the phone with Senator Geh@gen...." then he would launch into some sort of conspiratal tirade. Had us all storing up on extra toilet paper in case we had to escape into the wilderness to avoid capture from the commies. I think we may have had some janitors working on Capitol Hill too...again, deep deep inside information on Uncle Sam's activities.

You remember that old Cheech and Chong record where the "Jesus Freak" was "witnessing" to this guy who wanted to sell him a watch. He said, "You know, I used to be all messed up on drugs. But since I found the Lord, now I'm all messed up on the Lord." Still messed up, just a different venue. That's kind of my story, I guess. I was starting to lean to some rather bad behaviors, then I found The Way to get all messed up on, and that was enough! So I didn't get into drugs, didn't become an alcoholic, and barely escaped some other rather broken behaviors. Funny, I've since learned that some of the stuff I managed to stay out of was being practiced by top leadership. Anyway, maybe Waysider's right. Maybe I still have "sand in my shorts". Maybe my memory is jaded. Maybe all I needed to do was grow up a little and I would have stayed out of all that stuff anyway. So what is it I'm saying? Darned if I know, but thanks for listening. :P

Wasn't that in the 60's?

Yup! Met my 1st wife there, lived in Lewiston/Clarkston valley through July of '86 (POP was read in April of same year) and moved back to Ohio which was both my and my wife's home state. We both adored Idaho but the economy was just terrible. No one wanted to hire a guy who needed 3 weeks off a year to go to some "festival" in Ohio (3 days drive, 2 weeks at HQ, and 3 days drive home). I even had a job in my beloved field of radio. No, we moved back to ol' sticky hot & humid Ohio and left those beautiful mountains in the west. The ironic thing is that when in Idaho, I made the pilgrimmage every year to Corps Week and The Rock. I even quit jobs to go. Once back in Ohio the ministry continued to decline and I never went to another Rock and it was only 2 hours away. I often wonder how different things would have been had we stayed.

Very nice rendition Waysider, thank you. Paul Simon is one of my favorite lyracists. This song contains one of my favorite lyrics of any song, and that is: "In the clearing stands a boxer and a fighter by his trade and he carries the reminders Of every glove that laid him down or cut him 'till he cried out In his anger and his shame, 'I am leaving! I am leaving!' But the fighter still remains." One of the great tragedies of TWI IMO is that they did not want to recognize the realities of human suffering. To recognize it would contradict their doctrine that said to "just believe God and everything will be wonderful from the womb to the tomb." Some of the best art is born from human pain and suffering. Like it or not, disappointment, grief, failed expectations, sickness etc. are all part of life that we all experience. Paul Simon rarely offered any answers, he just described what is. Oh yeah, you're correct on your answer...your turn.

Let's do this: "I am just a poor boy thought my story's seldom told."

The name of the song is "Tobacco Road" by the Nashville Teens. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Hz2PEny-0M&feature=related Lou Rawls did a nice job with it too back in '63. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz1ldFFRvzw&feature=related

"I was born In a dump. My momma died My daddy got drunk." "He Left me here To die or grow In the middle of..." It's an old blues song but a rather obscure "British Invasion" group got a hit with it in the early 60's. I can almost guarantee you guys are familiar with it.

Okay...here's my "fastball" "I was born In a dump My momma died My daddy got drunk."

Oh yeah! Seeing those, beautiful, powerful animals pull that shiny red wagon is quite a spectacle. You wouldn't think it would be that big of a deal until you see it.

"Hooked on a Feeling." I remember it first being sung by B.J. Thomas. Some other group did it later and added this silly "...ooga chucka ooga-ooga" thing to it.