Broken Arrow

I was clear on what you were and weren't saying, Waysider. Thanks for the info. I guess it was a de-rail, but to me it was an important de-rail.

Do you know, or does somebody else know how to check for a copyright on this? As Way lore would have it, this (He Gave Me Love) was written by Stevie Kay and Loretta Lynn supposidely wanted to record it. So there was a big meeting with the BOT and it was feared that Loretta Lynn would most certainly change the context of the song from God to a lover. For that reason V.P. decided not to sell the rights to Ms. Lynn, because it would not be a glory to God. For that story to be true, there would have had to have been a copyright to the song else Ms. Lynn could have taken it without having to approach TWI. What are the chances of TWI not telling the truth (I'm being sarcastic)? As far as the other song, "O the Price He Paid for Me", I would just find it difficult to believe that Ellenwood would have plagarized this or anything else he did.

I rejoice with you, Twinky! May you be enriched in ways you never deemed possible.

wOW! If you don't mind, may I ask your age at that time? That must have had quite an effect on a young man.

That's what I mean. The days of June and Ward Clever, Disney's Davey Crockett, and Miss America Pie were over. Next came the race riots, campus riots, an unpopular war that all but tore the country to shreds, and exposed political scandels. Our generation became disillusioned and cynical to this day. Just notice the Political Forum threads on this website. You're right, people felt safe and mostly good about America prior to Kennedy's assassination. Afterwards everything changed. Maybe America was actually living a daydream and this disillusionment was bound to happen. Not that I don't still mourn the death of this great man.

Nope, no bubbles.

I was in the first grade and all I remember was that we were let out of school. As all the kids were walking home one of the older kids said Kennedy had been shot. I don't think they knew yet that he was killed. Anyway, this was the same kid who said there was no such thing as Santa Claus so I didn't believe him until I got home and my mom told me. I was too young to have much of a reaction, but I saw how upset the adults were. It was all anyone talked about for weeks. Waysider's right, it changed the country forever. The age of innocence for the USA was over.

Darn! How about Sam Cooke?

I think this fits in with the current discussion:

Oh! I liked it!

It wasn't as if you had traveled to Florida in '78, that was when you came to Athens, OH. It wasn't as bad as further north, but it was still pretty bad. That was also when the workers at Ohio University went on strike and you and Mr. Garden had a bunch of college kids eating dinner in your living room every evening. We weren't without power like Waysider but we were still hunkered down. Remember Mr. Garden had to break through a picket line every morning to get you to work? That all happened at the same time. I remember well eating your food in your living room. It's one of my favorite college memories.

The correct answer is Smokey Robinson. You're up Searcher!

Ouch! Wonderful post Brainfixed, but ouch! You're making me confront my own belief system! :blink:

Okay, the answer is Robert Johnson, long long time ago, redone by many artists, not the least of which was Buddy Miles. Here's one that should be a lot easier. Let's try "My Girl", most notably by the Temptations.

Forgive me. It's late, and I feel like making corny comparisons. At 12:18 am, this seems profound. Typically when I write stuff like this it doesn't seem that profound at all when I read the post the next day. Sometimes, it doesn't even make sense. Jean-Luc Picard, Captain of the Starship Enterprise (oh, there some of you go already) dies in one of the episodes. He goes to some place and meets an immortal being known only as "Q". Being immortal, Q decides to take Jean-Luc back in time and he wants the Captain to interract with others in this new time zone. Jean-Luc refuses because he's afraid that one small mis-step on his part will alter the history of the universe. Q rolls his eyes and says, "You have nothing to worry about. Frankly Jean-Luc, you weren't that important". I think of that whenever I see a leader consumed with leaving a legacy. "Frankly (name of leader) very few people were really paying that much attention. You just weren't that important".

Sorry, neither. This one's a challenge. You need to go back in history to around the 30's. A very common name, and the writer was African-American and a guitar player. I'll give it up tomorrow evening if no one guesses.

Okay, this one takes going back in blues history. Who wrote, "Sweet Home Chicago"?

Okay..uhhhh...Steve Cropper?

I'm sorry to hear that Oakspear. I went through the same thing only it had little to do with TWI.

That must have felt good! You weren't all afraid about leaving, "the protection of the household", eh? That took some guts.

Steve Cropper?

True at one time? I suppose. You had to admit you were in the wrong by leaving. That's where you heard people proclaim that TWI "saved" their life, then rave about how kind Wierwille was for "allowing" you to come back. I don't think Vic ever apologized to anyone or admitted he was wrong. That's another brainwashing technique by the way. In some cases when folks were imprisoned and tortured by communist regimes for a period of time, they would come out saying they were deserving of their treatment. They would talk about how kind the torturers actually were because they believed they deserved much worse for their "wrongs committed against the people".

I, likewise, agree with what you said. With respect to your belief that we are closer to a police state than most think, I would point at the Patriot Act. I'm not making a statement (at least here) about whether it's a good law. My concern is that people will begin to give up their rights as citizens in exchange for safety. I also wonder if we in the U.S. have passed the point of being able to handle a democratic form of government. Have we as a nation become too selfish and too self-focused? Rights have been taken to an extreme. The pornography industry, for example, hides behind the First Amendment. We have hate groups protesting private funerals of fallen service men and women. They hide behind the First Amendment. Everyone knows this practice is awful. Then, of course, we sue at the drop of a hat. Like the lady a while back who spilled coffee in her lap at a drive-thru and then sued the restaurant. She said they didn't warn her the coffee was so hot...come on! In order to live out this freedom we have, people need to act responsibly because there is no way a law can't be written where there isn't some loophole. You know how it is said that people get the government they deserve? Well.....?

True, the law is not be applied equally to all citizens in all places. That is a far cry from a police state, however. We have the right of redress in this country. True, it may fall on deaf ears at certain times. But in the U.S., the fact you can even challenge a government official is one of the things that keeps us from being a police state. I'm sure the same is true in other nations as well, such as Great Britain and Canada. We're innocent until proven guilty and we have a right to be judged by a jury of our peers. In a police state you're guilty because the police say you're guilty, no evidence is required, nothing has to be proven. If the government wants to search your property, they must first obtain a search warrant. Police states don't bother. In a police state, the military runs everything. In the U.S., the military is under the control of civilian authorities. I could go on but I think you catch my drift. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there aren't inequities or even discrimination in our system. In reality, to take on the U.S. government one has to be able to afford a good attorney, I realize that. But the U.S. a police state? I don't think so. The reason I'm giving you some pushback here is because there are people who live in these types of police states. I think they might laugh at the thought of us being such a system. They might even say that we don't even know what a police state. Anyway, my thoughts.

Do you really think we live in a "police state" in the U.S., or is that a typo? I don't think we've quite hit that stage yet. Sure we have some major problems, but a "police state" is a bit of an exaggeration don't you think?