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Well look at me I am still doing triage over it - this is what I think, you should be aware of evil, you should resist evil, in what ever form it takes - fear no - "For God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of Power and Love and of a Sound Mind..." The thing is Victor Paul Wierwille was an evil man. He was a manipulator, liar, fornicator, thief (of other people's ideas), and most likely a narcissist. The worst thing he did was lie about God. The second was to make us fear everything, our own thoughts (lest we fall into destructive unbelief), whether we were possessed or likely to be, or the people closest to us. The big trick was the very things he was teaching us, visualization, mediation, using power from "God" (though this god was wrongly labeled) were the very vehicles that would open us up to possession. Clever. Evil. If we try to break out of it we become afraid of our own imaginations, thus easier to control. If he does not tell what to believe we become frightened. Classic mind control. Needs to be trashed.

I was just stating my beliefs.

I actually learned to speak in tongues at home from the book. I was told I was not "really" speaking in tongues, when it was starting to become obvious to "them" I was not going to fall in line. Saying that, I bet none of us was "really" speaking in tongues. I still speak in tongues to this day, but yesterday after posting this thread, decided to stop it. God knows what I have been doing. Some form of meditation I guess. Need to close that door. That is such a relief! Everything bad that happens is not because of my "unbelief". I don't control the universe! Who would have thought? LOL :blink: That is because it was obviously a New Age Cult with Protestant/Charismatic/Fundy trappings, imho... ...and in my opinion sends people straight down the wrong path to hell. Errr I think perhaps he should have paid more attention to this passage ~ as I am sure the "marked and avoided" would agree ~ LOL

Thing is I always thought I was "born again", until I actually was - I was walking in blindness. I had rejected the belief that Jesus Christ was God and was in essence practicing witchcraft. When I left the Way I was already primed to develop my psychic powers - and I did. I opened my mind up like a T1 to the internet, without a firewall. I learned things. It almost killed me. I completely repent of them. When I found out that that manipulating, liar, Weirwille was into the same thing, it made complete sense. I wish I had someone to warn me at the time. I was just another kid without adult supervision, looking for answers, and Satan was there to provide them.

Hi Everyone: Here it is practically a lifetime later, and I still find things I need to repent of from my time in the Way. One is "magical thinking", or belief, name it and claim it, etc. That VPW was influenced by a medium (Albert Cliffe) does not surprise me, you can read about it here: http://www.uia.net/~messiah7/vp_cliffe.htm In my estimation, we were being taught what equates to at best New Age Thinking and at worst witchcraft. Are there any other nefarious facets to my brainwashing that I am unaware of? Thank God I am now truly born again, and I hope and pray God shows me the full extent of the lies told to me through VPW.

1. You pay for an "advanced class", drive a thousand miles to get there and end up digging potatoes. 2. You believe paying for a "class" will give you the gifts of the holy spirit. 3. You believe the group you are in has all the answers. You let "men of God" push you around because of it. You get yelled at allot for things you might do for no reason. You are grateful for being corrected. 4. You are living in a house with a bunch of people you barely know, that you assume are on the same page as you, but they are as mean as cat .... and as logical as Willy Wonka. 5. If you don't have enough money for toothpaste or deodorant despite having a job, it is because you "did not believe enough". You believe this. 6. You think you are better than everyone else, despite the fact that your lack of self esteem means you want other people to think for you. God has chosen YOU to believe in THE WAY! End game. 7. You let people tell you where to live, who to marry and how to treat your family. You start treating them like they are already in hell and you have the get out free card. 8. You are buying books from people you are supporting to your determent. You try to get other people to read them. You think everyones spiritual future depends on this. You lose sleep studying. 9. You start editing and correcting your King James Bible. You arrogantly assume you know more than best educated men of that time, because "Doctor" says so. You bet eternity on this. 10. When you are kicked out of the group you believe it is your fault, because in your heart of hearts, at some point you had a glimmer of God given intelligence left, but the so called "Word" never healed the problems that caused you to fall for this abomination in the first place. Then you know the true definition of "works of the flesh" and the word evil, run like the devil is chasing you (which he is) and start healing.

Thanks Mark! I just read through them -- very helpful. I remember now, though I feel nauseous.

Thank you everyone for the warm welcome and kind responses. You seem like a great group of people and I look forward to getting to know you better. In response to JeffSjo's question: I realize in my last two relationships this was done to me, even though my instincts were screaming NO. The whole time I was with both, there was a strong tug of war between how I really felt and the "God's will" trap. In the end I left both and was drained by the experience. Reading this site and other people's experiences made me understand what I was doing. To be exact, if someone tells me our sexual relationship is of God, even if I have been resisting it, it has the effect of catapulting me into the relationship. The reason I think it is happening, is because as a teenage girl I decided this is how to belong to a family. I wonder how many unmarried teenage girls went to the Way sex class, that I believe was intended for married couples? I did, but don't remember much about it at this point, except there was some soft porn in it. Anyone else remember it?

Hi: I am an advanced class grad. I have lived a life outside the Way since 19 years of age, and I did not think it effected me very much. I was wrong. I believed a whole lot of things about our Lord that could lead me to hell (like He is not God). I have studied the "word" myself and know my own mind on the subject at this point. But the abuse was left in me in other ways. I was kicked out of Twig when after having sex with two guys and I would not with the third. I have been blocking this out of my mind for years. However when a man tells me our relationship is of "God" I never put up any resistance if he tells me he is a "godly" person. It started when I was 16. I did not have a father in my life. I thought these people were my family. I was looking for stability and truth. They messed with me big time. I do not expect remorse or honesty from these men. Yet know as God is my witness I am telling the truth. Yes they hurt girls, but the main thing is in my opinion that the Word of God was sold to those looking for truth through Weirwille. We were lied to (some of us in a very vulnerable state...for example I was raped while living with wayers, I got the blood brushed out of my hair and a prayer said for me, thats all.) I left after that, but it was still with me, I still try to speak in tounges, I still believe in "men of God", I still look to a Greek translation and not the Holy Spirit. Our Lord remembers the little girl I was. He teaches me daily. If you participated in the sexual exploitation of girls, and you are reading this, your day will come at the last call. I leave it to our Lord.