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I have the Takit ep. there are 2 songs they did called "Would you like to be a slave" and "all tied up" and several others that are not on the ep. does anyone know if those were released to the public ? thanks

do what dude ?! are you on drugs ?! me missunderstood sumthin ?! if you read my post i clearly stated i was going to a fellowship run by Dave Garribaldi. i brought up TAKIT and during the conversation Dave said he never played drums for TAKIT. he told me that other believers thought he did to. i never asked if he was involved or not involved with TAKIT in other ways. you dig bro ?

i saw that TAKIT credit on that website. Dave said he never played drums for TAKIT but its possible he helped the drummer. he could have help mix , helped produce , etc and thats why hes credited.

you cant takeover a group unless your invited to. i know , i put several rock bands together. about 1993 i put a non christian secular rock band together. me and a guitar player had ben working together. we got a bas player , singer and second guitarist. i was the band leader. i paid the full rent for the rehersal room and had ben renting it for several years so i could practice my drums. no one else ever paid any rent on the room. i got a call from my landlord asking me if i wanted to rent a smaller room. i said no. he said the tall guy(second guitarist) had met with him and told him i was quiting the band and moving out of the room and he was taking over the rental. i told my landlord that wa the first i heard of it. i asked my landlord if he could go and change the locks on the door. he did. i called the secong guitar player and told him to meet me at the room and get his stuff out. he came and got his stuff and was really ....ed. i kicked him out of my band. he tried to takeover my band and it waould have ben one thing if he and everyone had said they wanted a different drummer and got their stuff and moved ouit of my room, BUT it became a different deal when that guitar player tried to kick me out of my room that he never paid any rent on ! the singer and bassplayer quit and me and the guitar player that had ben working together kept playinf together. no one can take over a group or fellowship or anything unless they do it using mobster type force or the people let them. also there are a lot of people that were kicked out of twi for stealing, continued drug use including coming to fellowship with drugs, disrupting , trying to cause trouble by talking crap(a believer tried to turn me against a believer friend) and getting in arguments with the person teaching. i'v met a few believers that were teed off at twi and would show up with picket type signs at hotels where twi was havi ng a public x or something.

the word says "all" men are liars. there were people that lied about JESUS to Pilot. i'v known of believers to lie. why wasnt this brought up right after it was sais to happen ? who was the young lady ? why were theses accusations brought up after VP died ? over the years some of the people i'v witnessed to have told me all kind of lies about twi that they say a good friend told them. a good lie was the one about everybody in twi being trained in military exercises and that included me. yeah i was accused of getting ready to go to war against the U.S. gov and twi had machines guns and tanks and all sorts of stuff. that was about 1984. just because someone says something happened doesnt mean it did. maybe Skedgell hit on VP and he reproved her and she got ....ed and this is her payback. i met a girl and come to find out she went out with married men. i remenber she had the hots for some married dude and they would go to las vegas on weekends. she wanted to marry him. ever thought that could be the case here ? btw VP died in 1985. twi went through lots of changes. lcm got a big head and threw his life away. lots of false teachers were kicked out. twi isnt VP's ministry just like its not your fathers oldmobile. different leaders. if people want to hold on to whatever happened over 23 years ago thats their free will choice but whats the profit ? its what is happening now that matters.

i'm from mississippi. as i stated earlier , the sky is blue the sun is bright and no clouds anywhere. suddenly thet sky turnes black and the wind whips up and the hail and rain start and i have ben driving at times when this accured and sometims had to pull over cause i couldnt see the front of the hood of my car. thats a natural occurance in mississippi. if the temperture were rigth the rain would be snow. when i lived in wyoming it would thunder and lightining at times during a snowstorm, and why cant GOD do something like that for VP ? what about the burning bush and talking donkey ?

this afternoon i talked to a believer i have known since about 1986. he was a twi fellowship coordinator(i was in his twig) and went way corps. several years ago he decided to split from twi and join an independent group. i talked with him about what you accuse VP of and he was quite shocked. he was close to lcm and vp and said he never heard of such. he did say that maybe VP had some sex back in the free love of the 70's before he became a minister and so what "if" vp did. he hasnt ever ben to greasespot cafe and i had to expalain the forum to him, he has heard of gsf from others. he thinks you guys are probably people working for the adversary. now that guy syas he will never come back to twi and therefore he has no reason to stick up for twi. i have ben talking to some others that were way corps back in the late 70's up to the mid 80's and are still good looking females and they never heard of VP committing adultry and were never approached by VP for sex or had VP look at them in a glaring kind of way. unless some female post her fot and name here along with whos fellowships she was in at the time this accured and others i can contact to verify these allegations i was see all this date rape and adultry stuff for what it is > LIES ! btw my friend was really shocked that women or whoever(men)would accuse VP of drugging them and raping them. he knew John Race and might try to get in contact with him. btw "if" VP did anything wrong THE WORD of GOD says HE is able to deliver them to the uttermost, the "VIOLEST" offender who believes. thats GODS WORD , "BUT" THE WORD also says not to use our freedom as an ocasion to the flesh. i dont believe VP ever rape, date raped , or committed adultry. did VP ever fool around before he got married ? maybe ? i sure did and then is saw what GODS WORD says about humpin out of wedlock.

no and i dont care how much or how little TWI has. you can call them. i hope the twi bank account continues to grow and they give the full time staff a raise.

well , i'm waiting , who are you ?

why dont you read my long post and then reply again. yeah there are some deadbeats that come to fellowships and that includes TWI and the independant fellowships. but dont blame TWI or accuse them of that, there are a few that helped me. your gonna have riff raff in anything. look at what THE WORD says about false teachers that "shall" come in among you. yeah that the WORD of GOD i just quoted. go look it up and see for yoursef. btw i also recived help from an independent fellowship after another independent fellowship didnt want to give me the time of day and basically told me to take my problems elsewhere , they wernt into helping people.

they must know something you dont. i have a scar on my forhead from where my dad went into a rage and slammed my head against a table when i was about 5 yo. when i started the 5th grade my dad started drinking heavy and would become very violent. my dad would beat the hell out me and repeatedly kicked me in the side one night when i was in either the 5th or 6th grade. things just got worse and worse. i ran away to my grandmothers when i was 12 but that didnt last. my dad became veru violent when i was 17 and came at me with an empty vodka bottle and chased me down the street. i went back in a couple hours later and got my 20 gauge a headed to his room to kill him. the thaught of me going to prison kept hitting my mind so i went back to my room packed some clothes and went 10o miles away to live with my grandmohter. after about 6 months of my grandmother talking with my dad i returned home only to have my dad rip my bedroom door down and as i ran around the room and ran down the street he destroyed my drum set. i came back later got my ithica 20 gauge pump and headed to his room a second time to kill him. sme thought came about jail so i packed my stuff and went back to my grandmothers. my dad showed up down there and saw me and some friends in a parking lot talking. being it was the 70's we would leave our keys in our cars. my dad pulled up got out got in my car started it and put it in 1st and reverse and popped the clutch. then he floored the engine and i pulled the 2 hood pins and yanked the coil wire. a freind of mine was asking him what the hell you doing and my dad tried to hit him. about that time the cops came and almost sided with my dad till they smelled alcohol and told him to leave. one of the guys that was there that i didnt know had gone to his car gotten his handgun and wes gonna kill my dad but the cops pulled up before he could. i went through hell becaue of my dad drinking. i tried to get the cops to do soemthing but there wernt any laws back then they could use. a frends dad was a cop and couldnt find anything except to catch my dad driving drunk. i dropped out of school in the 11th grade and went to live with my grandmother until i was 18. because of school bussing rules i was not allowed to attend the high school in the town my grandmother lived in. my dad ran a lot of my friends off. a few friends told me if they ever saw my dad hit me they werer gonna do him in. from 1986-1994 i didnt talk to my dad. i would call my mom and if my dad answered the phone i would hang up cause he would cuss me out. my mom was a really weak person and i blame her for not divorcing my dad when he busted my head when i was little. when i was in my 20's i asked my mom why she didnt kick him out and she didnt have an answer. according to my mom my dad drank until about 1993 when she finally got fed up and told him she wanted a divorce. she said he immedaiatly stopped cold turkey. i started talking to my dad in late 1994. alcohol can be a very serious and deadly habbit. i have ben freinds with believers that were druns and didnt want to stop cause they like the buzz. some would drink and drive or just get plastered. when your drunk your not in control and all it takes is a drunk believer to whip out a knife or a gun or use their fist to kill you. TWI has helped people with alcohol problems get delivered BUT the person has to want deliverence. some people dont want deliverence. my younger brother came to fellowship and took pfal in 1982. he came to twig for a while but quit and got into drinking and smoking dope. he didnt want help and i didnt want him around me. he had a wreck and broke his neck. he recovered and kept drinking and he and his friends would steal. in 2002 my dad called me to tell me my brother was eaten up with cancer. i got ahold of a fellowship back there with believers i knew. i decided to get on a plane and go see my brother. he didnt want help, he said he was fine like he was and knew he was gonna die and it was fine with him. he died a few weeks later. so NEVER EVER ACCUSE me or TWI for not caring about others. others MUST WANT HELP and some people dont want yours or my help. if your told to stay away from a drunk theres a good reason. i had a drunk guy wave revolver in my face with the hammer back. its because of me believing GOD to protect me that kept that guys finger from squezing the trigger, i was looking at the drunk guys finger while it was on the trigger. he suddenly put the gun down and ui ran like all hell broek loose. the foto is my brother car that he wrecked when he was drunk and broke his neck. he had just dropped his girlfriend off. as you can see the passenger side is distroyed from the tree it hit. he ran off the road into a tree. if his girlfriend had ben in the car she would probably be dead. i'v seen believers drive while drunk. to answer your question about why would you put more energy into someone that you dont know will believe or not , because someone put energy into you thats why. soemone put energy into me. i was going through hell and depression and most of the believers didnt want to help me and some didnt want me around. But there were a couple of believers that decided to help me. you were an unbeliever once just like me. nobody knew weather you or i were going to believe but they put energy into us. not everyone that hears the WORD a GOD will believe or stick around. look at what the it says in the gosples about people standing. Jesus put tiem and energy into people and soem became "offended" at what he taught and walked away from him.

no Garribaldi didnt play drums for TAKIT. i thought the same thing until i started going to Daves fellowship in Northridge around 1988. i asked Dave about playing for TAKIT and he made it clear to me and his fellowship that he never was in TAKIT, he never drummed for TAKIT. he said people think he is but the drummer was a guy named Willie that looks just like him from a distance. Dave and some other believers put out and album called "wishful thinking". yeah that drummer could be Daves twin. i went to Daves fellowship for about a year and then Dave moved to san francisco. Daves fellowship consisted of about 10 drummers me being one a them. well , why not have an all drummer twig ?! LOL !

how many of you have done like they did in the book of acts and seen if the stuff VP preached is so ? when the believers in the book of acts taught THE WORD it says they searched the scriptures daily to se if the things the believers taught were according to GODS WORD. and why cant it snow for a few mi nutes in the summer and then melt away in a few minutes. i'm from missippi and suddensly the nice sunny sky would turn jet black and the wind , rain , hail , and sometimes tornados will whip up out of nowhere and as soon as the storm came it over quickly. sometimes the storms would last a little. saw the tornado that hit hazelhurst around 1969. getting ready for school and the sky turned black and a funel cloud passed right over the house and suddenly the sky was clear again. my grandmother freaked out. i was on outreach in alabama with some believers from places far away. the sky turned jet black and the tornado sirens went off and everybody buy me freaked ! i told them thats normal for this part of the country and a tornado is somewhere around here. i think they were wishing they were somewhere else. so VP seeing snow in the warm weather is no big deal to me. it hails in missippi in the summer. it can also snow in the summer if the conditions are right, and yes the snow will melt very fast like hail melts very fast unless its really big hail. oh hail ! were those of you that accuse VP of adultry, rape, drug & rape actually there and see it happen ? answer with a yes or no

if they did they kept it to themselves. if i have knowledge and dont share it you will never know it. if someone else learns the knowledge i have and shares it they get credit for it. those other guys should have taught what they knew like VP did. go back and reread my reply, i mentioned Frank Cardullo and i put in parenthesis i might have spelled his name wrong. John was the captian and Frank was the co-pilot. my point was that these were the only 2 guys that flew the plane. there were no other pilots. you understand now ?

yeah you should know who John Race is. that is Captian John Race , and co-pilot Courdolla(might have misspelled his name). John Race is the believer and only one that was the pilot of ambassador 1 the name of the convair 580 that VP flew around in. he and the co-pilot never witnessed anything that you say VP did. obviously you wernt around when VP was alive. everybody that was around back them knew who blond haired slim built John Race was. there were even a couple of way magazines with them in it. after a flyover they could be seen. you do remeber the flyovers dont you ?

yes , didnt you take the pfal class ?

and ? at least he got it out here. why didnt those other people get that knowledge out ? maybe VP had permission. when someone teaches how the bible interprets itself are they plagiarizing twi,VP , or someone else ? i say no and thats beacuse THE WORD say its not for private interpretation. so if we use your thinking and i teach someone how to read the bible i'm could be accused of plagiarizing the bible. if i show someone a better way to pull the 4 speed out of a 65 mustang and soemone else has already ben doing it my way but i dont know and take credit for the better idea am i plagiarizing ? no, not if i didnt know soemone else aready had the same idea before me. btw i could be accused of teaching class material when i teach someone how to get born again, or lead someone into SIT. but teaching THE WORD isnt class material, its GODS WORD. anyone that teaches the bible isnt plagiarizing anyone. however if i use a chart that somoeone else made and say i made it then theres a problem. if i never looked at anyones chart and made one thet looked just like someone elses i could be accused of plagiarizing however i wouldnt be. kinda like the other night i was listening to SRV song "if the house is a rockin". i was taping my hands to the song and decided to add the same drum break at the same time to the song that the drummer on the song did. i LOL and thought , wow i'v ben playing so long i just know from experience when and where and what kind od drum brakes are used on songs. i wasnt cpoying the gut cause i never heard the song. i could however be accused of plagiarizing if i said i came with the drum brak even though i did.

when these women come foward and give their names and swear to GOD they are telling the truth otherwise they will kill over as Annanias and Sapphira killed over in acts ch 5:1-10 and they remian alive then and only then will i give a listen. otherwise these are nothing but devilish evil lies that evil people are spreading. remember , everyone gives account to GOD. you know , if i wanted to i could wait till you die and make up stuff about you and theres no way you could defend yourself. i want to hear this from those it happened to ! do you know who John Race is ?

no , not a delima , the mind isnt all the devil can possess. who does the devil go after the most ? just look at Paul and the apostles and what happened to them. maybe we should load up on Paul for screwing up and getting thrown in prison. i guess your perfect. when a man dies from something hes teaching it should be a lesson that NONE of us are immune to the attacks of the devil. so VP was weak in believing for his health, look at what happened to Paul. if you want to know the accuracy of GODS WORD you ought to thank GOD for what VP did weather you like VP or not. i'd bet neither you nor any of the other guys that are running their own fellowships would have studied and taught GODS WORD like VP did. i bet "WE"(yes me to) would still be wondering whats up if VP hadnt done all the research for us.

i have ben around a lot of believers since 1980. i have lived with leadership including branch, limb, and region coordinators. i have known a lot of female way corps. went wow 2 times in the early 80's. i never heard anyone mention this stuff and i didnt see anything abnormal going on. it takes 2 people to commit adultry like with martindale. it wasnt just martindale but also the 2 women that were adulteres. if a so called believer woman had an affair with another so called believer it is the fault of those two. all i hear are roumors and lies. like i posted a friend that was a twi fellowship coordinator whom i have known and lived with around 1987 never heard of any of this crap either. he quit twi about 1988 and ovwersees several independant fellowships along with a few others. he and another guy went to the way collage of emporia in the early 80's. both were going to twi fellowships in the 1970's. they say they never saw or heard of VP screwing around. these 2 guys dont like TWI and if there was something they could accuse twi of they would. just because some people say stuff happened doesnt mean it happened. i know a guy back in the south that i took pfal with in 1980. i saw talked with him a while back and all he could do is put down twi and never could come up with a good reason other then he didnt like LCM. we will all know the truth after the return. everyone shall give account of themselves, lies shall be exposed, it shall be shouted from the rooftops. i remember VP talking about other bible scholars accusing Paul of being a sex maniac. the devil aint got nothing new to acccuse people of, hell even Jesus family accused him of being nuts ! somebody should go write a book about Pauls so called sex adventures and Jesus being a nutcase. oh i almost forgot , theres already a book that says Jesus was a homosexual ! believe what you want but remember all rights shall be wronged after the return, that is wrongs done in this administration. you might even find out how many times my monkey needed a spanking !!!!!!!!! lol !

yeah i know he died from cancer. others that left TWI have died from cancer , so what. my grandmother(not a believer, she didnt believe what the bible said) died from colon cancer. yes i saw an old red pontiac convert at the rock one time. so what. i have a 1965 mustang gt fastback for a $125.00 back in 1974. the mustang is worth over 20K right now. so what. my landlord has # panteras, 2 1968 cougar GTE with the 427 and some a 65 ford galaxie factory 427 4 speed 2dr ht. those cars together are worth over 300K if he sold them today. my landlord bought them in the early 70's when you could buy a 65-70 shelby mustang for a few thousand. the shelbys are bringing 100K-^ today. just cause someone has expensive classic cars doent mean they paid a lot for them. some bought them new and some bought them used before they became collector cars. theres a guy on the BOSS429 mustang registry that has a 69 BOSS 429 mustang he bought new. he wants to sell it(maybe he sold it) and is asking 250K for it. i have 3 sets of drums that would bring a huge amount of money, i bought them new about 25 years ago and they were really cheap. yeah iirc the convert was a mid 60's red gto. Get Tools Out !

i will give you that benifit of the doubt that you have ben missinformed rather than call you a liar. the way NEVER had a jet. this is a foto of the exact type of plane the way had and its a Convair 240 converted from radial piston engines to turboprop engines. the converted 240 is called a 580. VP had one old bus that had ben converted to a motorcoach and showed up in jackson mississippi in 1980 in it and taught. produve proof of the sexual exploits you accuse him of. it seems its easy to accuse a dead man of stuff cause they arnt around to defend themselves. i never and have never seen or know ANY leader to live high on the hog. and even if they did whats the problem? are you envious ? i wish they would give themselves raises BUT i guess if they did people would get teed off ! i guees its o.k. for an unbeliever president and his family to fly around and go on vactions about every other week at OUR expenxe but if a man of GOD did a fraction of that people raise hell and get teed off. the only fancy motorcycle he had was given to him by Harley Davidson and I was there at the rock of ages when HD gave it to him. a foto of "the twig hopper" as he called it. if you dont want to give why did you give ? no one held a gun to your head and forced you to give. there are , have ben , and will probably always be those that dont tithe. i'm glad VP had nice hunting gear. i used to go hunting and i certainly wouldnt use cheap gear. i dont think you ever went to a way fellowship, it sounds like your just repeating roumors you've heard. this thread started out as a discussion about people charging for classes. i almost no time its turned into a hateful slanderous thing againt TWI and other ministries. i personally know a guy that runs an independent and they aint trying to get rich, he is a cabnet maker.

if the ones your refering to arnt a registerd non profit then they have to pay taxes. i see what you mean. if they are a registered non profit they can still charge for classes, it can get complicated. i am putting together an outreach band and we the band members are going to finance the whole thing. we are going to play in parks for free. however if someone wants us to come play in another state we will need money for travel. do we register as a nonprofit or do we take private donations for gas, food , hotel room ? it gets real complicated and i might have to get DOT weight stickers for my f350. we consider the band to be a charity.

there are full time people that have to be paid, eventually building will need to be renovated and you either pay cash or borrow money, and i can make a fone call and find out how much twi has if i want. last you heard, hell i'v heard a lot of theings about the way that aint true. however twi might have 56 mil in dollars and assetts. The Weirwilles GAVE all their land(the farm) to twi when it was first started and that farm land and all those building alone are worth millions. if people want to give money to twi its there business. my grandmother gave tens of thousands of dollars to the roman catholic church and a lot of that went to pet his azz lawsiut settlements. lot of people gave money to build the crystal cathedral and its gone belly up. you ask what are they waiting for ? what do you mean ? do you think they are suppose to just give it all away to anyone. some of that money came from me over the years. i think they should sit on it.

now thats different, yeah that aint right. thats using classes for a business to make money. reminds me of the record in gospels where people were selling second rate offerings so they could make a lot of money. Jesus took care of them, ran em off.