cheranne

It is the most difficult thing i have EVER experianced,trying to get back to knowing God loves me. God loves you no matter what NO MATTER WHAT,the fact that right now you are wondering that is okay,it doesn't change things,God doesn't change, we all have been thru hell and back with this so called ministry and we have hurts and scars,we will never be the same as we were before twi,but keep the good,you found in friends and toss out the bad,you are a child of God and that doesn't get taken away,although sometimes we feel like orphans and walk alone ,...you can know your Not. all those years i was searching for answers i thought about the people of twi they were like family,i wondered how everyone was,where have they been,i felt like we had been thru a war togethre and we left others behind,i wanted to go back and get those others,it is tormenting knowing someone else is going through the same thing you did. i am not here to preach to anyone i am just here and if you want you can talk to me anytime.

LOOKS ALL LIKE SUPERFICIAL WOUNDS AND I HAVE SEEN MORE SCRATCHED UP BACKS FROM SKATEBOARDING! tHE NAILS WERE NOT IN THE FEET OR HANDS ,THE SPEAR IS NOT IN THE SIDE,TALK ABOUT DRAMA QUEENS!

been there too. why do you feel this way? sorry, i've been there too,why do you feel this way today?

whoa! this is really getting to some people,what i did at the time at emporia kansas as vpw was telling us all about jonetown and how people thought the way was a cult(we laughed at it)how dumb the way a cult,at that time we just became stronger more committed,we stood together the whole musk ox thing! We drove back to okc and it was pretty quiet,felt like we had been bee stung in our head. However when i had this "flashback"that is what exactly that going back and it was not 1978 it was l992...i was trying to undo the web of cult teachings in a class about john l(PRECEPT MINITRIES KAY ARTHUR,outa chattanooga tn)it was warfare for those who believe in spiritual warfare(sorry for those who don't but i am writing this as MY experience.)so here it was 1992 ,i had 3 young children and trying to get all this crap straight in my head,i was attending a church at that time but inside i was still under WAY program stuff and wanted to believe jesus was God,then i had this flash back and all hell broke loose the details are kinda personal so i won't get it,...down the raod their were a couple a suicide attempts and hospitalizations,long long therapy and it was like pulling teeth.....now i am ESSENTAILLY NORMAL whatever that is...i have learned what didn't kill me made me stronger,how about you? whoa! this is really getting to some people,what i did at the time at emporia kansas as vpw was telling us all about jonetown and how people thought the way was a cult(we laughed at it)how dumb the way a cult,at that time we just became stronger more committed,we stood together the whole musk ox thing! We drove back to okc and it was pretty quiet,felt like we had been bee stung in our head. However when i had this "flashback"that is what exactly that going back and it was not 1978 it was l992...i was trying to undo the web of cult teachings in a class about john l(PRECEPT MINITRIES KAY ARTHUR,outa chattanooga tn)it was warfare for those who believe in spiritual warfare(sorry for those who don't but i am writing this as MY experience.)so here it was 1992 ,i had 3 young children and trying to get all this crap straight in my head,i was attending a church at that time but inside i was still under WAY program stuff and wanted to believe jesus was God,then i had this flash back and all hell broke loose the details are kinda personal so i won't get it,...down the raod their were a couple a suicide attempts and hospitalizations,long long therapy and it was like pulling teeth.....now i am ESSENTAILLY NORMAL whatever that is...i have learned what didn't kill me made me stronger,how about you?

sins of the father passed down ehh break that freaking chain man.

i know ! He should have gotten do not pass,do not collect 200 dollars,and go straight to hell(i mean jail)

and..why do i care about this?

I think that is a shame. people are so closed minded,i don't understand why the hang up with gay anyone,serving in military or whatever,it is just plain stupid to reject someone for race,and beliefs,those people need to be slapped upside the head!

i like arlo,i had a dog named polo and a cat named sherbert shaynana shanequa she was orange,i always wanted a mexican bird!

I was raised catholic and i have two cats that are catholic,........they go to catacysim. No seriously i like catholics,most of them are pretty laid back ofcourse they are not bible thumpers but at least ....they don't shove it down your throat, i am not a practicing catholic and i never really was by choice i just am saying i can sit and have a drink with them and talk of spiritual things. BUT, maybe if they didn't all teach the sme thing ALL the time alot of us catholic people wouldn't have gone looking for "biblical research" if i lead the catholic church i would be whoppi goldberg in sister act! how many of you ex twi peeps were raised catholic?

my husand and i burned ALL OUR PFAL STUFF in honor of uh day in the fireplace!

have you seen the movie awakenings with robert denero? its an old flick but when i saw it i just sat and cried because it reminded me how i felt stuck in a body and couldn't get out spiritually out from under the thumb of twi,after taking pfal in the old days you were to go to NO other form or place to get 'THE CENTER OF REFERANCE FOR TRUTH"(GAGGING UP A FURBALL)If you did you were basically shunned like the amish or something,if you have seen this movie what are your thoughts? i won't give it away if you haven't seen it. Now a days i am curious to know how twi (what is left of it)do they consider themselves a non denominational orgaization or what,do they consider themselves to be a part of the body of christ,one body you know..like the bride of christ,just curious i have been away for 25 years,and just NOW being able to talk of this openely.

my sister lives in sedona,she loves it..twi likes us to 'BEWARE' of everything except themselves,back when i got in they didn't want us to watch tv, read newspapers,listen to the radio.blah blah blah ,,then it was okay you can go to the bar but you can only have2 drinks,then you go wow and you can't have sex,then they don't like gay people.....i think their is a debil behind the trunk of the way tree and it just got bigger and bigger and created a vortex so big like a big f!@#$ toliet bowl!! Like the wizard of oz said ARE YOU A GOOD WITCH OR A BAD WITCH(REPLEY)well...i 'm no a witch at all i am dorothy from kansas!

yes,surprizingly i play guitar and piano and would write my own music and as a new church member they would let me play quite often ,it had a lot of way stuff in it and they would LOVE it,and just say play more play more,i stopped going to church altogether maybe 8 years ago when my kids became teenagers and i don't play guitar anymore,but i do sometimes listen to twila paris in the car,she was great in concert,the closest i have been to a true annointed concert.

I know a lot of us have experienced this,if you have ever walked back into a church...first of all it is really difficult,especially if your mind is so twisted still from twi,but alot of churches i have been too in the past just put you to work as soon as you start going with some pattern,i was put in charge of a teen youth group maybe it was five years after leaving twi ,they seem so blown away at the amount of bible you know(little do they know we are sweeping every word they preach like a soldier seeks land mines,talking back inside our mind about how this clown doesn't know what he is talking about,really deep research..what i am saying they don't have a clue most of the time and of course I never went into a church and said hello...i was in twi and i need to erase everything and start all over again(if that is your choice to go the route of christianity)it took me a long long time to adjust ,my life to how i prefer it to be....but i went to a church basically because i wanted my children to know JESUS ,i went to mostely non denominational churches,and pentecostal churches were fun cause they would get fired up,i like the symbolism of the catholic church which is how i was raised in the first place but never learned enough bible as to why i was so intrested in twi right after high school. i liked bible studies at the army base because all the women were from all differant church homes and i still like to listen to some christian music but,not so much anymore,i stopped going to a church because organized religion just didn't work for me,but i most definatley believe! I prefer listening to audio tapes by the author of women who run with the wolves,and carolyn myss stuff like that. I went to a christian therapist about 7 yrs after my exit from twi and that just ....ed me off and i wanted to fight with him ,so i quit, did okay and later down the road i found i needed a new therapist,the unraveling of these cocoons takes time you know,so finally i found one that helped me just break it down and start from before twi,keep the good and basically what didn't kill me made me stronger...but there were a few attemps to be honest . At disneyland you see all those cute mickey mouse,donald duck etc walking around and everyone loves them hugs them takes pictures with them but on the inside they are hot,sweating and would rather be in a tshirt and cut offs..there is a mask

cartoon network is good too.

a cigerette demon?

what is ccf

so...last topic on psychologial hoax we talked about black rain and how it covered everyone like sweet satanism,it infected everyone,the poisin was ingrained in all of us from the ordained to the new babe ,in differant levels,to a two year old three feet is deep and you can drown,to a fifteen year old it is shallow but all it has to be is over your head..what does that mean? It means leaving the past behind,your earthly family,if it meant being kicked out on the street...sure no problem.the way was now our family,our sisters,our brothers our mother and father figures..before i took the class the last thing on my mind was to join a biblical research and teaching "ministry" and go live with strangers and we were all going deeper and deeper into danger spiritually without even knowing it..like count to 100 then you go to surgery and you make it to 7 and the surgery begins and you get to find your way back ,problem was the dr. was a quack and the surgery deformed your spirit life if that is what you were going for the whole born again,filled with the holy spirit,but we had freedom of choice did we not or did we just think we did?

yeah,i remember that it was pretty cool,remember the art of peter max!

We ALL LAUGHED AT THE IDEA OF TWI BEING A CULT,I did write that and that was LIVE AT EMPORIA I was there and you were their laughing too!

a cult is a cult i don't care HOW you wrap it.made in china or the usa or little old new knoxville ohio.

nope.thats the facts jack

in time...time will tell

hey i was their too. the flashback(if you want to call it that )happens years,decades after the fact.