cheranne

I don't know what you want to call it,all i know is after Jonestown ,I went to Emporia and sat there and vpw called it a psychological hoax. Sooner or later with the time the truth always comes out.

I just think its rude,why don't those kinda people just go start a new topic..you know heRE at the greaseapot i thought it was for ALL PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED IN TWI,FOR LOVED ONES OF PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT BROUGHT THEM TO JOIN A CULT. their are many people that for some reason are another may want to respond to sra abuse,to growing up catholic and the good things about,seeds planted along their lives,people just coming too this website like i just got here a few weeks ago,i am intrested in HEALING .

I left twi three times AND went back(how insane is that!) The first time i left I wrote my wow sister a note(we were in d.c and i was their twig leader,,,,,,,,,,what a laugh i may as well been a brain surgeon! I told her not to worry that i was going back to oklahoma and all,and at The chicago airport o hara as i was getting on my next plane these hara krishana people gave me literature i said THANKS ! (AND MADE SURE THEY SAW ME TOSS IT IN THE TRASH CAN!!!!) THAT WAS FUNNY TOO. the second time i left myself and another shunned beliver that quit the wow field planned our escape,carrying as little as possible to the nearest truck stop in phoenix...ofcourse i had to bring along my guitar . (WE DIDN'T know abour the zodiak serial killer casue we never watched t.v) we were on our way to florida but got a ride to san diego(beautiful city ) the first thing we did was find her old friend and smoked a joint(we really needed it too)then we did that for three weeks and got back on our way to florida. We got to florida but didn't want to be there so we went to new york ,then delaware were we joined the ARMY! The she got out of the army and i stayed in got back into twi! Then went military wow and then I left for the last time because the said not to marry my husband becasue i had no committement(we are still married after 25 yrs thank you)and then I would drink everyday!

I really meant more of am emotional parent support not,like my mother would not talk to me for 2 years. It is still sometimes dificult to talk,but nothing like before,my father knew i ws just growing up . I thought they were nots but it was me.

i was not thinking of vpw. I was not thinking of use in the way meaning abuse! I not here to quote scripture either dude

for catholics only(yes i wrote that wrong)please forgve me sir.

here is a good book by phillip yancey and dr. paul brand,for those of you that believe we actually NEED AIR,WATER,BLOOD and can be used for more than insulting people .(white dove)

your lucky alot of people after gtting involved in TWI families disowned them. Would not support them and as you know a lot of these young very young impressionable wows going out on the field just relied more on eachother and the so called ministry, in my situation i was kicked out of the house,car taken from me,college tuition taken away everything!

white dove..........you really need to RELAX! GOD can use all people for HIS GLORY INCLUDING ANIMALS SUCH AS THE JACKASS.

my sister is a wiccan and i really like her. We were raised in the same house same beliefs and structure,i joined a CULT and she became wiccan. I left twi three times and went back to it,she was always there with an open door and heart for me and at times other friends who left with me. She gave us a place to sleep,food to eat and never ever judged us for serving twi,even though she new they were screwing us over.. This is just thrown out there because i want to know if you had brothers or sisters when you got involved in twi what did they do?

I am just putting this out there,because it is my story,this is the pattern of my life from SATANIC RITUAL ABUSE to being so afraid that God would never love me or accept me that i was bad on the inside,and a person who happened to be a nun in san antonio texas,reallly loved her work and touched the lives of children. I went to catholic school also,because my parents sent me there not because i choose too,my point i want to discuss in this thread is that when i found THE WAY INTERNATIONAL I THOUGHT I WAS THERE!!!! WHAT EVENTS LEAD PEOPLE TO JOIN A CULT(well..for me the beginning had a lot to do with,and i believe what i wrote could possibly HELP others that were in a similar situation)...that Nun was the first person to help me(even before my family)

THAT IS SOME FAIRY TALE! iT MAKE HANS CHRISTIAN ANDERSON LOOK LIKE A WIMP! to my knowledge and keep in mind i am not a practicing catholic, a lot of the old school stuff the new generation isn't buying that,i love the symbolism of the mass but i personally don't believe in the flesh and blood(for real) stuff like that and i know hundreds of people in the city i come from that don't either. I suppose thier are some really differant types of catholics just like their are many differant types of christian,baptist and pentecostal but we are all the family of God and the body of Christ.(I knew this would probably offend some of you guys that is why i warned you it was for catholics only,we don't all think the same exact doctrine.

YEP,MAYBE A RICH GREEDY SICK MIND,i GET A HEADACHE JUST THINKING ABOUT IT.

What do you think it is in YOUR mind? I met a lot a well meaning nice people that like me wasted alot of time trying to sell vpw EMPIRE ,A LOT OF HEARTHACHE AND I WISH THIS ON NO ONE ELSE EVER AGAIN!

that song also reminds me of the same thing,i didn't think anyone else thought that too! what a nice surprize..bring your alibias(where were you for the last 10 years or so your employer asks? Mirrors on the ceiling(we all look the same likeminded believers) Pink champange in ICE (a nice looking sedative to freeze dry or brainwash your MIND)aka PFAL!WE are all just visitors here of our own device(we didn't mean to stay or join it just happened we couldn't find our way OUT!) In the masters chambers we gather for big feast(rock of ages at vpw farm)we stab it with our steely knoves but we just can't kill the beast(thinking we are attacking the beast we are working for the s.o.b. Last thing i remember i was running for the door had to find the passage back to the place i was before. SHEEESH.......even nw that gives me the creeps. I found it easier in my therapy to use music to try to explain twi sometimes it cut the edge off the anxiety i would have(hey whatever works right) and as i write this i am thinking of people that will come to this site in the years to come and maybe they won't feel so alone in this like i did when i tried to find the place i was before...but YOU CAN CHECK OUT AND LEAVE(BUT,IT TAKES TIME FOR YOUR MIND TO FOLLOW!)

thank you mark,it was really bad hearing this LIVE at EMPORIA after i had just finished the pfal class,25 years later my subconcious showed me the truth!

sounds familiar!

mmmmmm..good men in tight pants! hahahahah

waysider are you a musician or something? I notice you like to sing!

so byby miss american pie(is that what that song is about?)

......that first part was hard to write but i got an email asking just what am i trying to say here? so..i will go on. How beautiful are those who serve the wine and the bread to a world Jesus Christ died for,this nun would teach us the signifigance of holy communion with a song called take our bread,she taught me how to play guitar and in mass you'd have all these little kids playing instruments ,it was presious. Take our bread is a traditional cathlolic song and the words are as follows. Take our bread..we ask you take our hearts we love you take our lives ..oh Father we are yours. We are yours, Yours as we stand at the table you set...yours as we eat this bread our hearts can't forget...we are the sign of your life with us yet ...we are yours we are yours. Your holy people standing washed in your blood,spirit filled yet hungry we await your food...we are poor but we brought ourselves the best that we could we are yours..we are yours. She taught us that this was the SOURCE WE ALL NEEDED TO LIVE ,to survive through thick and thin and evn though we were very young and filled with childlike dreams of toys and fairytales she knew.... She knew tjos would be the pivoting factor in our lives,that would be the substance to help us in lifes storms that would await us,as life goes. Recieving this teaching done with love and compassion from a young women who had given her life to serve God was to me like recieving the GIFT OF BLOOD IN ONE OF NEED OF LIFE! In the mass i would watch the priest and during the time with i wa told to believe was the most holy time was when those three bells would ring. and everyman with hand held fist would bow their head with fist closed and touch their heart. Even though through the years i would as everyone memorize the mass and actions of it,this part always seemed new...the priest would read from the HOLY Word of God saying: Father in heaven it is right that we should give you thanks and praise,You are the one God,living and true. Through all eternity you live in unappraochable light. SOURCE OF LIFE and goodness,you have created all things,to fill your creation with every blessing and lead all men to the joyful vision of your light. Countless host of angels stand before you to do your will,they look upon your splendor and praise you night and day united with them and in the name of every creature under heaven we too praise your glory and sing. CHRIST HAS DIED,CHRIST HAS RISEN, CHRIST WILL COME AGAIN. our seven year old minds to not realize the transition from phantom to image faith BUT we knew this that God was in our hearts and we were children of the Lord....and believing this would symbolically give us that blood transfusion to every network of our fiber to build spiritual muscle in the life to come ahead of us. You see a phantom is NOT an image with no substance. appearing or forming in the mind,unreal,illusive and i feel it important to share what faith is and what it is not. Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things unseen. Substance abuse is empty,if your were told of a substance that had NO blood(john l and the word became flesh and dwelt among us and through His shed blood we have activated NEW LIFE . That which has access to bring by root the essential material into our lives(the SUBSTANCE OF THINGS HOPED FOR THE EVIDENCE OF THINGS UNSEEN) This is not something man can fabricate into existance(with a pfal class or whatever the phantom image was),,this is the real existance of the shed blood of the LIVING GOD. For this is the SOURCE of mans life,this is what we were designed to draw strength from,OUR BREAD OF LIFE...OUR DAILY BREAD AND THIS IS THE HEALING IMAGE.

i wrote this for catholic s only because i didn't want to offend anyone elses way of believing,i thought they might understand,but i guess it could be for anyone too.