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I enjoyed a lot of the music. I liked the Victors' first tape, and Bob Stanley's 50's rock songs were a lot of fun. But I think my two favorites were "The Resurrection Song" by Good Seed and "We Shall All Be Changed" by the choir. George

Hooner, As opposed to WayferNot, who likens her separation from TWI to her divorce, to me it was more like the deaths of my parents. There is a great deal of remorse initially, but later you remember the good things and let the bad go. If you learned a great deal of good things from TWI, hold onto them. Don't "throw out the baby with the bath," as the other George is wont to do. (Of course, "Resident Curmudgeon" is a tough job!) George St. George

Trefor: I've read them. And I've read Romans 1, too. George

I suppose that if you believe that Trinitarianism, homosexuality, and other forms of idolatry are fine, then I can see why you might object to Tom Burke's songs. (God had no problem with ridiculing idolatry -- take a look at 1 Kings 18.) Of course, maybe it's those doctrines that drove some of you out of TWI, anyway. What annoyed me the most were songs whose lyrics were changed to be more "accurate," in the process ruining the rhyme and/or meter. And often the "corrected" versions were no more Biblically correct than the original.

Heck, I'd go back if TWI ever became the way I remember it. (Of course, the way I remember it is not the way it actually WAS...) George

I remember listening to a SNS tape (1997 or so) in which LCM mentioned that after a Corps night teaching, someone in the Corps called him to point out an error. LCM then admitted that he made an error! As I recall, it was something rather trivial. What bothered me most was that only ONE Corps person mentioned it to him. I guess all the others were a.) spiritually asleep; b.) afraid of LCM; c.) trying to make the new "revelation" fit; or d.) all of the above.

I miss Twig (at least as it was until the 90's), where we could enjoy each other's company and pray for each other and teach each other. I miss seeing someone's eyes light up when it hits them how big God's love is for them. I also miss some of my old friends. When I got kicked out, I didn't want any of them to get into trouble, so I fell out of contact. Now I call, if I can find them. Most can, and want to, speak with me, even the "innies." George

PFAL 77 was a year before my time, but I believe teh Bible thumper was Jed Smock. He used to "preach" at the University of Illinois when I was there, and I recall someone saying they saw him at TWI headquarters. George

Her other son is Gavin. Suz, do let us know if you find her. I haven't talked with her in over five years, but I'd love to know how she's doing. George

Back to the thread... When I first took PFAL (1978), it was my first real introduction to the Bible. As a scientist, the fundamentalist logic really appealed to me. (Still does, by the way.) Plus, Twig fellowship was fun, and no one "made" me do anything. :)--> I was able to resist the "nudgings" over the next several years to go WOW or Way Corps. It was stil assumed that one could have a secular job and still move the Word. I was a TC for several years in the Houston area when classes were running back to back, and Twigs were growing. Leadership (at least from the Limb down) was loving, though the pressure to keep up the pace was wearing a lot of believers out. --> LCM took over. Wouldn't have been my choice, but I saw the need for a dynamic leader, and he certainly was THAT. Then came all the schisms. I chose to stay with TWI because I thought that any problems would be resolved from within. --> By the mid-90's there were no other believers close to me, so I started attending another Twig about 40 miles away. It was about that time that every aspect of my life was being scrutinized. Most troubling was the BC's insistence that I sell my house so I could move closer to Twig. I'm glad I resisted, becase that Twig was merged with another shortly thereafter, and I would have had to move again! Now the keys to Biblical research were being used to "prove" things that clearly weren't Biblical, and Twig was less and less fun. And I had fewer friends who were still in. :(--> But I hung in there. Fear? Pride? Optimism? Probably a little of each. I hung in there until they tossed me out.

The point of the guardian angel stuff was that once you got born again, you don't need a guardian angel, because you have a direct link with God via His spirit. the doctrine was derived from Heb. 1:14, saying that angels were to minister to those who would become heirs of salvation, not those who already were. And I think the teaching began with VPW, not LCM. (My God, have I become an apologist for Loy?)

Ex: see Jim's post. OSC was a pretty huge warehouse, with some office space, as I recall.

Ex: see Jim's post. OSC was a pretty huge warehouse, with some office space, as I recall.

Quoth Jim: "EOB - Executive Office Building, where the higher-ups had their offices along with accounting and legal." I always remembered the EOB as the Ermal Owens Building (Ermal being the first VP of The Way). The name was probably changed during the "de-Wierwilleization" of TWI.

Quoth Jim: "EOB - Executive Office Building, where the higher-ups had their offices along with accounting and legal." I always remembered the EOB as the Ermal Owens Building (Ermal being the first VP of The Way). The name was probably changed during the "de-Wierwilleization" of TWI.

Aparantly God has a loophole to get around that annoying little restriction. He gets humans to do the lying for him. This way God gets off on a technicality and your whole bible does not fall apart. Goey (and Garth), Are your responses tongue-in-cheek? (If not, you appear to be agreeing with LCM.) Obviously, God does not lie, or tell others to lie. There is no "contradiction." The Bible does, however, faithfully record lies as they were spoken. God didn't tell the Pharisees to say that Jesus, "was a Samaritan" and had "a devil." It's true that they said it, even if what they said wasn't true.

I don't always agree with WordWolf and Goey, but I do, here. Jesus is God's Son, the perfect man, who died for our sins, was raised by God three days later, ascended into heaven, and will return for his church. He is my intercessor, and a mediator for the unsaved. He is THE way to salvation. I haven't had my IQ tested recently, but I am a Ph.D. chemist, so my intellect "is still breathing," too. And, yes, this probaly does belong in the Doctrinal section.

At the risk of leading this thread down a side road, I have to agree, sadly, with the previous post. At the last Rock of Ages, I remember my BC telling me that we were no longer reaching out to "nerds." He seemed a little surprised when I remarked that those were the people we could actually help. George

On a slightly different tack, I think the dumbest thing LCW did was to put all the Corps on salary. Beyond the problem of giving the Corps far too much time to meddle in other people's lives, it was financially devastating. Putting people who could have been contributing $ on the payroll (while kicking out almost everybody else who was contributing) was either 1.) believing for a miracle, or 2.) incredibly stupid. I believe history has shown the latter to be true. George

Grizz, Well, let's see. There was Eve bringing down Adam, Ahab bringing down Jehoshaphat, Delilah bringing down Samson, Solomon's wives bringing Solomon down, and those are just the biblical references that come to mind without careful deliberation. There are plenty of secular examples, too. As I recall, LCM said that weakness brings down strength, "unless strength is very good." The examples you cite are evidence of that. I'm obviously no big fan of LCM, but not everything he said was stupid.

Sorry, wrong thread! George

I'm not sure that that was dumb. In a lot of cases, it's quite true.

I think "go until you break glass" was a basketball reference. George

Seeing another poster's "handle" reminded me of another acronym: SOGWAP: son of God with all power. Uses "all nine"* manifestations "all the time." George *To Refiner: in addition to Tongues, Interpretation, and Prophecy (Sometimes, collectively, TIP), there are Word of Knowledge, Word of Wisdom, Discerning of Spirits, Faith (always read "Believing"), Gifts of Healing(s) and Working of Miracles, as per 1 Cor. 12:8-10).

Seeing another poster's "handle" reminded me of another acronym: SOGWAP: son of God with all power. Uses "all nine"* manifestations "all the time." George *To Refiner: in addition to Tongues, Interpretation, and Prophecy (Sometimes, collectively, TIP), there are Word of Knowledge, Word of Wisdom, Discerning of Spirits, Faith (always read "Believing"), Gifts of Healing(s) and Working of Miracles, as per 1 Cor. 12:8-10).