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Bumping this up again. https://www.cultfacts.com/cults/the-way-international It is just amazing how with every claim they make of cult behavior they footnote it and cite the source. Look at all those (source) links. This is not a manipulation this is real live sources presenting how a cult really functions as opposed to their brain numbing depiction of themselves as Jesus Christs personal representatives of “the truth” as opposed to a false prophets ministry based upon deception and manipulation. The closer you get to the so-called revelation from God about teaching VP “the Word” like it hasn’t been known since the first century the more you see that nobody in the first century was quite that gullible and would not accept VPs lazy research, lying and stealing, or aggrandized homiletics as anything other than a narcissist with opportunities to amass a fortune through aggrandized fictional tales. This mimics the way the Mormon cult amasses riches.

Another cult called “The Twelve Tribes”. They run Yellow Deli restaurants. Here is an expose:

When there’s an older sibling in the Stepford family.

Yes this bullshonta was a lot of what was behind the Nazi patrols with wooden spoons on campuses (and elsewhere in recreated environments) that would ensure the little kids were behaving, in bed not roaming halls, sitting quietly on their blankets, and in complete compliance with all the adult with the spoons wishes. Or they would be beat literally. Communal corporal punishment was the result in the Ways communities and societies. Still exists in many pockets today as that doctrinal error really has never been brought up and corrected. We didn’t raise our kids that way or permit bullies to usurp our parental authority and beat our children.

It was en vogue at the time to get rid of all your “old man music”. Monkey see monkey do for me.

Yeah it didn’t move the GAF meter enough to remember . Thats the one. VP wanted those kids completely compliant so he could HUNT CLOSE to his home for sexual prey.

Yes 100 percent of the people with the condescending Holocaust comments were TWI - when I was in. The comments fit right in line with all the other condescension regarding “rightly dividing the Word” which TWI couldn’t do with a razor blade a right angle and step by step instructions. All straight from the head pilferer who rightly plagiarized the word of truth.

The first one pretty much alienates Catholics the 3rd largest Christian group. The second two label TWI as anti Semitic. So cuts off a large group also. With incidents I have heard plenty about smug condescending arses at Holocost diaplays museums etc. People who can’t STF up from spouting their so called expertise on the topic.

Other book list stuff Starr Dailey - Love Can Open Prison Doors George Mueller - Autobiography, Release the Power of Prayer I liked those and didn’t feel they had tainted root material like others.

I think VPs tactic was to silently incorporate some conspiracy theory garbage into his “advanced class materials” that has anti Semite and neo Nazi type thought lines, and leave it as material the “initiated” knew and had access to. As far as burn basically “Uncle Harry Day” was celebrated as an annual burn chaff day consisting of theological material, old vinyl which everyone regrets now and other artifacts of various things. So an annual purge culture with the different programs “what to bring” lists comprising other forced purges. Definitely has neo Nazi flavor to it.

Babylon Mystery Religion Thirteenth Tribe Harvard Classics (I have a set) Dale Carnegie - How To Win Friends and Influence People, The Art of Public Speaking, How to Stop Worrying and Start Living The Tracker - Tom Brown Jr Myth of the Six Million Luther the Reformer Foxs Book of Martyrs The Encyclopedia of Occult Sciences - from Adv Class list some cr@p on raising kids like training dogs. Many others on the “Corps Reading list”. I don’t have a copy of that any more wonder if any do.

Well from the details I’ve read you shouldn’t have to worry. The girl plans to only leave the account up and public for a short period of time. Who knows, maybe due to online critics? Again can you please take your push for whatever your agenda is to your own thread? I don’t want to do anything with “my story”. Those who know me and love me know it. Others hear parts of it. I really could care less how TED talk says your brain responds to it. And I have zero desire to make “my story” “matter more”. i mean start a topical part of the forum for “Creative Writing” or “Memoir Writing” or “Journaling” for chrissake!

“Sand” - Donnie Fugit one of the few I miss…

I actually think exactly the opposite. This girl was involved with TWI only 2 years and look at all the detrimental effects she suffered. That to me speaks so much more loudly than whatever authenticity you think she is missing by including others stories also footnoted.

ok now you have hijacked this thread with 5 posts in a row that the topic is Undertow and writing memoirs including why we should do it. Can you please go start your own thread with this line of discussion? Or continue it on the thread entitled “Undertow”? One post or two is one thing but 5 in a row on a completely separate topic is a hijacking of the thread. And please think about how you are coming off commenting about those who ARE writing memoirs. This girl was in TWI for 2 years a relatively short period of time wrote her own story augmented by others notes all footnotes. Are you celebrating her? Or has this been more of a page or two containing criticism of how she did it as well as a running line of attack on her story.

She has a blend of her story plus supporting evidence which consists of others stories all with referenced sources unlike “the collaterals”. i mean maybe those of you heavily invested in writing memoirs can figure out how to stay in first person and come off “more authentic”. Rather than be irritated by her switching from first person to third person voice I look at it like at least she did a better job than her “father in da Verd”. The Way Internationals continual denial of plagiarism claims has karma coming back around to bite them in the butt with accurately footnoted anecdotal accounts of immorality.

I had a PE coach in HS that told a bunch of us one day that after getting to know us for a semester, he was going to recommend retroactive birth control. Now back to regularly scheduled abortion convo.

Yes that sounds strange with the “illegal to quote WC grads” thing. Yet her account references 2 Way Corps examples - Victor Barnard and Steve Sann who I would say examples like that you could experience just about anything there. It wouldn’t surprise me to see an ultra control freak say that.

Another personal account of damage experienced by a member of TWI. This person highlights the step by step indoctrination process…. https://jenniferhaha.substack.com/p/black-friday-cyber-monday-cult-expose?utm_campaign=post

OMG I’m dying lol. Help help I’m being repressed. Oh I so need to watch Monty Python Holy Grail again.

Yeah you start to mix up politics and religion and real estate then you have a real mess. Or a new tv series idea lol With Israel more recent history implies a few warring tribes with conflict dating back a thousand years. It’s just one of them has nukes and Western support. Native Americans rather than having the Great Spirit define their living boundaries have instead had a cruel government dictate them, and ensure generational poverty by giving them an acre of land and a crappy model home. Alaskan natives fared better with their deals with the government happening much later. They own a piece of the oil pipeline and are rich. So many native corporations now are winning government contract bids in many different areas. I can’t do a thing about the Israel conflict all I can do is keep a good relationship with my own neighbors and pray and hope for the best. Thanks for posting up the prevalent views in the topic guys.

You know if TWI leadership actually had an honest heart before God they would not be shunning us here they would be celebrating us. Their followers are too scared of being shunned to tell them the truth. We are not. We tell them the truth whether they want to whitewash it or not. Whether they want to kill the messenger or not. But they hate the truth. They love their positions and adulation. They love having articles about how great they are in public magazines broadcast to the few that will cave in to be under their thumb. With the greater independent thought of the youth in todays world that is less and less people all the time. Send out another postcard run. Tell yourself how that is moving “the Word” over the world. At least the Gideons place something of use in public that someone can open, read, pray to God with. Not a hype postcard.

I can see the court interaction now. “That site is inaccurate and slanderous”. Judge: “Every statement on the website has a footnoted source. Which is more than you can say for your main class PFAL” Lol

I ran across this article in Psych Today talking about “nostalgia bias” where people attach to and recollect only positive things about their past. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/checkpoints/202302/exploring-nostalgia-bias I wonder if nostalgia bias is what keeps many of these people who have been abused by TWI hanging around and pushing for better times. Nostalgia bias would be a huge reason behind the modern TWI push of going back to PFAL and back to the “Word Over the World” messaging. Taking items from the highest participation period in the cults history the strategic approach is to make the Way “feel” like the good ole days in the hippie times where people were strumming guitars in parks and witnessing and thousands were “taking the class”. Nostalgia bias can keep people hanging around doing the same things sending in the same checks listening to the same stories obeying the same dictators. It can keep people only reading the same “collaterals” for decades without ever considering new and better sources. I actually am opposed to the nostalgia bias making my life’s decisions and want to and am purposefully crafting my future in the direction best for me, my family, my peace of mind, and my spiritual development outside the constrained inputs from a cult.

That is quite a website. It looks like a similar layout for a number of different cults. I have no idea who put it up. It looks like it was done with a bot or LLM tool. For every claim they state they cite a source. So even if some of the claims seem exaggerated they literally have a source where a leader or account verifies the statement. This type of activity is a great counter to the whitewash movement. With sources for everything it is protected legally as well as it shows what really occurred as opposed to a leaders spin on what occurred. In other words, this website is a great model for TWI where they could learn about footnotes, bibliographies, and other modern methods in the publishing and academic industries. You know, the things missing from all of VPs “research”. The website also with footnotes make it harder for the TWI leadership to deny claims and justify actions. Every claim made is substantiated by a footnote. Wow, what an earth shattering idea.