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  1. Let me see. Well first there was the WOW Ambassadors - at that stage there still is the Bible in the name topic. Huge amount of hype. The next name is “Way Disciple”. Not “Disciple of Jesus Christ”. Also accurate. They are selling TWI and Plaffy not the Bible. Finally it’s just “Way Ambassador”. We are not even pretending here with title that it has anything to do with the Bible. It’s just an ambassador for the organization. Also accurate. If you pay attention they are upfront about their control and idolatry. Words mean something. All the hype and commitment is to the organization and none of it is to the underlying Word of God, the overall body of Christ, or anything related to building virtue - it is all compliance exercises - complying with people who do not speak for God in any sense of the word.
  2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Christian_Press One of millionaire brother Harry’s purchases was the equipment. It gives all the ISBN numbers assigned for books published. There is no outside publicating or verifying agent involved so unlike books who hire a publisher there is no quality control. I bet cranking it up and putting out Spanish and French new translation material is their greatest current cash cow. So much so it drives another BOD position opening up to oversee it. Now I don’t know if the equipment itself is so outdated that they need to outsource printing. They may do that.
  3. Yes if your compliance knows no boundaries there’s always a job for you at TWI. I’m sure the Weekly’s are masters of monitoring and complying like all the predecessors. I guess if they are keeping tithes local there are two options: 1. Distribution according to need like in the Bible 2. Little leprechauns amassing their own pots of gold I wonder what the track record is there among the international TWI entities. I would say evidence points to #2 with a lot of mark and avoid action for former leprechaun leaders. What is your observation?
  4. You know I never noticed it before but “for” is a preposition. Why is it capitalized in PFAL? Shouldn’t it be Power for Abundant Living ? PfAL Hey if it walks like a grammatically correct duck it should talk like a grammatically correct duck.
  5. Now on the topic of the thread isn’t it eye opening TWI needs another director position to sell translations of their main foundational class? Is he the McFranchise director? Dedicated to selling the McWay, the McTruth, and the McLife to the 3rd world?
  6. Freedom of expression. It has the same letters. Wierwilles class was far more jumbled than that doctrinally so mixing up the code letters conveys that to me anyway. There are plenty of jargon and pet expressions on Reddit channels like /exjw and /exmormon which have exponentially greater exposure to the public never in those cults. There are even secret codes like PIMO and TSCC and others which you have to ask about and there is a write up somewhere. There doesn’t seem to be any global misunderstanding going on there or confusion or incomprehensibility. Some might find calling it the Way Corpse freeing and delivering. Being constrained to the same language the cult uses to me doesn’t make sense. This is a discussion forum not an anti press release center or a formal publication. Oh and also I do it to trigger the frequently posting Wierwille idolators so they can comment about hate and juvenile behavior. Watching their hate spin up while calling it hate is funny. If it doesn’t shake them out of this idolatry at least it makes it more apparent to others. Thanks for asking. Now y’all can sit back and chew on some Plaffy taffy.
  7. From a pure finance perspective this is a position arising from the demand for PLAF in 3rd world countries. While the abundant sharing stays within the same countries locally the way the USA governing org stays relevant is by using their printing press to crank out sets of the collaterals in French and Spanish. These can be sold to 3rd world countries. Besides the class fees themselves the 2nd most profitable good they sell is the books they print themselves. No aspect of that goes to publishers, editors, etc. This new board position oversees that aspect of the business I would imagine.
  8. I thought Spanish and I thought he had worked many years in IO. There are substantially more numbers in Africa continent and South America continent than there are in the USA. So TWI has moved focus from recruiting hippies to Christian culture appropriation. It is very ironic considering the scathing paper VP wrote when leaving his denomination to start TWI. It heavily criticized his denominations overseas missionary work as Christian cultural appropriation. I wonder if the money still stays local for the internationals like it used to. Some of those international leaders are very rich. Hey it’s a great strategy for the BOD to remain in power, to keep themselves above and removed, and keep the hype going. “We have a worldwide ministry”. They have used that excuse dragging their feet on any positive changes for two decades because it is too large a boat to turn quickly. Meanwhile you witness major corporations many times the size of TWI completely reinventing themselves within a couple of years. You know the only thing worse than Plaffy? Second hand translated Plaffy. I mean can they truly get the same level of isolation and control? Can the victim blaming truly be set properly? How are the students really going to grasp it’s the fear in that woman’s heart that killed her kid? But many poorer countries have more superstitious cultures where stories spread like wildfire and there is less critical thinking. When your cult is fading focus on 3rd world countries.
  9. Gods voting for you, the devil is voting against you, and your vote wins the election. Dots right. Bless your hearts. Send in your questions and donations to “The Teacher” at PO Box 42 Whoville Ohio
  10. Leads to further questions. Do we have a budget Savior? Is he the one to request help from to get my application for government housing approved? How does this Michael budget work? And Jude my dude can you introduce any more tangential angles possibly? Why would Michael be disputing with the devil over a corpse? And can people be condemned for slander somewhere? Nowadays they are just labeled “haters” and people try to ignore them. And what would that rebuke look like? Hey Satan stop talking shiz about me while y’all are getting rid of that dead body. I mean does the budget highlight the scarcity of miracles, gravediggers, and haters?
  11. So I’m still a bit confused here. God has a budget? Sooooo many questions. I mean usually corporate departments have budgets to represent their allocation of the annual income. So does God set and approve the budget limits? How does that conversation look? “Yo God need that budget increase”. “Switches hats. Ok I can approve that increase. We will take it out of St Peter’s pearly gates account”. Does God use instant picture type software in His mind? Does God track ROI with budgets? Blind man healing results in 1421 conversions? If God uses Budget for rental cars, does it REALLY cost less?
  12. Another good personal anecdote with experience with TWI. This one delved into the strange customs and treatment of children. There was some evidence of abnormal types of shows of affection. Being raised in TWI and attending all the children’s fellowship and other communal oversight culture aspects can be downright terrorizing to a kid. The Family Corps was a large commune type living where everyone applied discipline to everyone else’s kids. This carried out to the practices on the field where they would behave the same way. I know few to no children raised in this cult who have done anything other than seeking the first exit door available to them. All of this was driven by the Stanford Prison Experiment type behavior with leaders and followers. The Corps was a experiment of control like this. There was communal use of corporate punishment with rovers beating kids. The leaders thought of none of these repercussions but doubled down on their spirituality and “God told me” types of answers in the face of legitimate concerns and criticism. If you were a kid raised in TWI I will pray for you. Mine got out before their minds matured so just have a little PTSD from treatment as opposed to being hooked by the cults BS logic and trapped for life or until awakening.
  13. chockfull

    Love

    I will have the free will to choose love over obligatory bondage.
  14. Your last sentence seems to be a sticking point for all of the splinter groups. They can’t seem to admit “I was wrong” pursuing the TWI cult and its goals and idolatry. It is interesting the conversation is progressing to the topics of “Love” and “Fear” or “Courage”. These are more common tangible virtual desirable characteristics. Any religion should accomplish the goal of helping the individual to form the best possible version of themselves with respect to developing virtue. In the TWI cult and splinter cults all the effort goes in to propping up the leaders as larger than life as opposed to developing virtue as an individual. It is pretty clear when you examine facts Wierwille was a narcissistic preacher with a sex and alcohol problem who founded a cult of personality as opposed to being de frocked by his denominations slow moving judicial arm for attacking their missionary work and having an affair with his secretary. The facts and human behavior patterns are undeniable. Whereas imagined snowstorms on gas pumps are certainly called into question. I guess there was a part of me that believed the snowstorm story and so I stuck it out with the group for a few decades. But the cognitive dissonance adds up over time and people do not buy the snake oil after a time. Truth comes out. Despite all the whitewash effort which actually represents a bulk of their activity. Want to be a TWI leader? Here is your assigned paint brush and area to whitewash.
  15. If I’m going to kill a thread with interpretive dance I might need to choose another option:
  16. Yessssss! This is what Athletes of the spirit would look like with me dancing. Exactly like this!
  17. I only do interpretive dance not interpretive math. Sorry.
  18. chockfull

    Love

    Well that got my hopes up that it might be my favorite rendition of the song. It is a bit SNL risqué lol. Night at the Roxbury if you haven’t seen that movie it’s epic.
  19. Yes that is the expanded “Great Principle”. God who is Spirit can only talk to VPs spirit and make snowstorms. Then VPs spirit teaches some hippie chick not his wife. Then it becomes written down as truth. Then VPs spirit steals a bunch of other shiz from other spirits. And writes those down. All of this makes the poor love bomb victim manifest $100 to be held captive in a basement and watch tapes for hours and become a Plaffy grad. Its all in the “how” lol.
  20. Mike you want to get away from all the hate? Well a camera offers a great analogy. What you focus on is what you become. Vol 1 Chap 1 of the Blue Book - your substitution for the New Testament. I thought you were a paradigm of living the collaterals. I mean they are what you worship. Are you slipping here?
  21. There is no “snapping”. That term is probably something your subconscious came up with in response to Karl Kahlers book “The Cult That Snapped” highlighting a members personal experience in the cult and contact with its leaders. Your brain rejected the idea of the Way “snapping” so with the victim blaming ingrained in you from Plaffy “law of believing” now you flip it to blame members. Truly a sick mind. Clearly traceable to the collaterals.
  22. The “allergy” that many have for VPWs works stem from the putrid fruit evident in his life which is continually whitewashed over by Wierwilleolatry - ignoring and discounting the putrid fruit, making images of the Wierwille idol, deifying his human works as coming straight from God and becoming egotistical and condescending as if this way of living in bondage is superior to common sense, intellect, and reason. Wierwilles work is substandard and shallow. It reminds me of someone trying to construct a philosophy of living straight from Dr. Seuss. I don’t like green eggs and ham. I do not like them Sam I am. Obviously I’m filled with hate for green eggs and ham and Dr Seuss. That’s why these cult members are like they are asleep. The mind just can’t wake up to anything outside of grooved idolatry.
  23. Ah yes the sheeple deluding himself into how much power he has. They don’t seem scattered to me - more like each one is cleaning up a different pile of your bullshonta. But you go Don Quixote - quote that Plaffy at every problem in your life - maybe the magic incantation will work somewhere. Or if not you are happier with your head buried in bullshonta so you don’t have to consider different viewpoints. the greatest secret in the world today - like a Masonic incantation.
  24. chockfull

    Love

    The obedience factor is interesting. Scriptures equate “keeping” commandments with loving God. Not “obeying” commandments. Keeping would involve the understanding and internalizing of the teachings to keep them in light of remembering and living them. Obeying is more of a do what I say communication. But the sheeples prefer the obey to the keep.
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