So_crates

If you don't know what virtue is, how do you know why God put it in there? If you don't know what virtue is, how do you know it's a spiritual commodity? Why virtue? Why not power?

If you weren't so enamored with Saint Vic's excuse for his own impotence,you might have seen the obvious. Why would God tell us about the ioss of virtue? So Jesus Christ would be aware of the woman and could go into his speech on pistis. That's so obvious Ray Charles could see it.

On what stock exchange are spiritual commodities listed?

Continuing to look at the idea and the ignored valid criticisms, you presupposing God's intet based on an excuse Saint Vic gave you for his own impotence. Notice God didn't mention the limited measure, man did. Most of the quotes you presented were people dealing with doubt. Again, God didn't present them, people did: praying for a double measure of spirit. And grace being sufficient? Just how does that suggest a budget? No, you're not. You're trying to shoehorn a theory into a bunch of text where no such theory exists.

But, if your "two doors" theory is true, there is as many people doing God's will as are doing Satan's will. The door opens and angels and devil spirits rush through, remember? And, lest we forget, the real reason for these 39 pages of excuses: to cover Saint Vic's impotence in Iiving up to his own standard of "signs, miracles, and wonders following the man of God like a a tail follows a dog." Mike, you remind me of the Catholic church making long exotic calculations to explain planets retrograde motion because they believed Earth was the center of the universe. Just as they refused to see the simple truth that the Earth revolved around the sun, you refuse to see the simple truth Saint Vic was a fake.

So? Wasn't Saint Vic full of sin and treachery? I thought you wanted a balanced view. You think you're right. Soon enough, those grads will be in the same boat as we are. 18,000 people aren't wrong. The truth just hasn't caught up with your grads.

This shows how your not to be trusted. I asked you what proof you had that Saint Vic was a MOG? You responded the collaterals. I responded, So? The devil can quote scripture. Now you're trying to palm then off as rounding off your argument. The two things are poles apart PLAF doesn't provide a window, it provides a carnival mirror, distorted by Saint Vic's desire to make his vices biblically alright in the eyes of God. Like you dodged the two suppositions challenge? No, a know a fake prophet produced fake prophecies

You mean like PLAF? You're obviously projecting here as you seem to think because you believe something everyone else has to believe it too. Like you cherry picking questions you'll answer. More projection. It's your hand that's empty. Otherwise you'd answer the two questions you should have asked before you started your "50 years researching PLAF." What two questions? Your presuppositions to anything Saint Vic: 1. What evidence do I have that Saint Vic was a MOG? 2. What evidence do I have Saint Vic was doing God's will? And don't point to the collaterals. That's a circular argument.

A church Chaplin and demonologist shares his encounters with the spiritual realm:

So what your trying to tell me is that in the book Saint Vic claims had "everything pertaining to life and godliness", God somehow forgot the part that would tell us whether we're seeing the real deal or involved with a counterfeit. Or maybe that's the reason for I Timothy 3.

Mike responded on Friday at 5:54: So_crates: “You're still presupposing Saint Vic was an MOG. What proof do you have of this?” The proof is in the package that was delivered to me: the written collaterals, mostly. Really?! This proves nothing. The devil can quote scripture.

So you're saying there's more evil in the world. Well, if your "two doors" theory were true I would think that more evil in the world would cause there to alfso be more good. After all, according to your theory, God opens the "door" and both angels and the devil rush through. But that can't be true because this whole thread is about the lack of blessing.

In any one of these classes, did someone speak an earthly language that they didn't know? Was there anyone that spoke that language, making then qualified to verify it?

Next you'll try and tell us God gave Saint Vic permission to molest all those woman. Why not? According to you, God either gave Sait Vic permission or closed his eyes to everything else Saint Vic was doing off the Word. Why should Saint Vic's sexual indiscretions be any different. After all, God said there were no small sins nor large sins, only sins, right?

You mean the collaterals that teach such lies as four crucified and the law of believing? The collaterals that Saint Vic used to rationalize his alcoholism (with the story about the alcoholic) and his sexual indiscretions (with the torn in the flesh story)? Those collterals? Once gain you start from the presupposition that Saint Vic was a MOG who worked for God. Everything in his life states the contrary. As opposed to you putting Saint Vic on a really higher pedestal than he deserves. Without looking for evidence we have, well...you.

If, as you claim, a string of ASCII text could never be proof, what have you wasted 33 pages of bandwidth for?

Just like your assertation Saint Vic was a MOG is pure speculation and..you know what I'm going to say next.

I can prove he wasn't a MOG. If I can prove he wasn't you should be able to prove he was. As far as ASCII text goes, you accept it when you want somebody to prove something to you. For example, Wordwolfs post on Saint Vic's plagerism above. Why write a long rebuttal if it doesn't prove anything? You expect someone to do it for you. Goose...gander.

That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

You actually want us to do your work for you.

You're still presupposing Saint Vic was an MOG. What proof do you have of this?

Seems Saint Vic failed his own test. In the class he stated: "Signs, miracles, and wonders follow the MOG the way a tail follows a dog." Did signs, miracles, and wonders follow Saint Vic?

Back in the days of yore, the Catholic church declared earth was the center of the universe and the sun revolved around it. Any decenting voices were tagged heritics (something like being anti-cherry only there was a lot more pain involved). But the planets wouldn't cooperate. Some of them actually went into retrograde, causing astronomers to question the churches decision. But the church held fast. So astronomers came up with some very exotic calculations to compensate for the retrograde motion. One of them, I seen diagrammed out had the planets doing mini-orbits around a point in their orbit (sort of like the moon orbiting around the earth if no earth was there). Then along came Galileo. He suggested that the calculations would be easier if astronomers acted like the earth revolved around the sun. For that, Galileo was put under house arrest for the rest of his life. The church exonerated him 20 or 30 years ago. Bureaucracies are slow to admit they're wrong. My point? This whole thread is an attempt to avoid what's obvious. We're putting the miracles before the MOG, as it were. We're taking, as a given, that Saint Vic was a MOG, therefore miracle should be happening. What proof do we have to support that presupposition? How do we know Saint Vic was a MOG?

More rationalization. There's a legal axiom that states: Lie about one thing and you may be lying about everything. The same is true about private interpretation. Have private interpretation on on verse and you may have private interpretation on all the verses. PLAF is a monument to private interpretation. From four crucified to the law of believing it boils down to nothing more than private interpretation. Ironically, Saint Vic didn't believe what he preached otherwise he would have practiced it. "Love God. Love your neighbor. Do as you damn please." Well, how do you love God? By keeping his commandments. Did Saint Vic keep his commandments? On the contrary, he spent every waking hour seeing how many he could break.

Actually, I heard it as: "Love God. Love your neighbor. Do as you damn please."