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And certainly none of that white bread (they bleach the flour taking the vitamins out, then the fortify the flour putting the vitamins back in, don't ya know?) SoCrates

And none of that nasty refined sugar for you coffee, only: One glob or two? SoCrates

It'll light up your life. SoCrates

This of course will be followed by a special 20 hour word study on "the." SoCrates

I think the answer is obvious. Why the stand against the trinity? Rebellious youth. Huh??? Consider: Saint Vic cherry picked a lot of beliefs in da vey so they would be intentionally contraversial. Then his followers, the rebellious youth, weren't getting their parents percieved stuffy religion. Another point is he touted da vey as a bibical research organization. It would carry more credibility if it came out and said, "This is were legitimate religons are screwing up. Only we have the truth. Only we know what the true bible says. Step right up and sign on the green cards dotted line." Then there's the issue on enlightenment. People would not consider Saint Vic enlightened if he didn't have hidden secrets that were revealed to his followers. Bye bye apostle and prophet gift ministries. Oops there goes the teaching gift ministry. Honestly what's The Teacher with nothing to teach? So, he taugh and told us we knew more Word than a church pastor. Unfortunately, like most people claiming enlightenment, he was enlightened in the art of bull. Why no stance on adultry? That's pretty self explanatory, too. If you said adultry was evil, how could you invite all those women into Saint Vic's motorcoach. Even now this continues to be a thorny issue. If the ministry came out against adultry how could it, with a straight face, call ,itself a Christian organization after Saint Vic and the Craigmeister. It would have been built on foundations of sand from the get-go. SoCrates

There was one time a guy in town was promoted to crew leader in a Wendy's. He had them align the chairs in the lobby with a string. I thought it was more of a military thing. I never asked him if he was in the ministry. SoCrates

Even that came from someplace else, Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels, Hitlers propaganda minister. Speaking of this, I'm surprised. Don't they teach you in the minstry to watch out of counterfeits anymore. They warned us and warned us not to go to "Lucie's Rip and Gyp Shop" because the stuff may look like the real thing, but open that foil wrapped present and all there is in the box is crap. They of course were talking about the real world, but ironically, it now applies to SAint Vic and his demented circus. It looks like fun, but stay away from the elephant ears, if you know what I mean. SoCrates

I don't think anyone here has heard that teaching, so I doubt they can give a proper response. Standing on one foot, I know someone can memorize their bull so well they can go for hours on end about the line of bull they're trying to sell. Look at any politician. SoCrates

I agree. His fruit of the spirit is in other people: the people on this board for instance. Or how about all the women he raped? More fruit? How about all the lives he wrecked, the suicides he caused? Or how bout the Craigmeister, there's a ripe slice of fruit for you. SoCrates

Unrealistic for us clinicly normal people, but for egomaniacs and major narcissist its: SoCrates

Love the sinner hate the sin carried to its logical conclusion becomes love Satan hate his methods. SoCrates

My understanding, from another thread, is he bragged about it in a private corps session or two. See post #243 of the "Was VPW A Good Man" thread. (link) SoCrates

Mine is obvious. It's from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. I was always a thinker (some people have even said I think to much). One day at work, somebody had commented: "Oh, I forgot, we work with so_crates today." So I adapted it as my handle. The place holder is to convey the proper pronunciation. SoCrates

I asked you what we should be grateful to Saint Vic for? Here's some more info on the subject in case you didn't get it the first time around: The Weirwille Betrayal thread SoCrates

I concur with Geisha, Saint Vic never showed any remorse for his sins, he just kept committing them. His covering them up should be good enough evidence that he knew he was doing wrong. Why do you think people hate Charlie Manson? All these years later, and not one word of remorse for Sharon Tate and Helter Skelter. Ditto Ted Bundy. Am I comparing Saint Vic with Charles Manson and Ted Bundy? There's no comparison: Saint Vic is worst. Manson and Bundy killed the body: Saint Vic killed the soul. SoCrates

Considering you dodged the question, I have to assume you think its okay to love Satan, but hate his methods. Or is there another meaning to: SoCrates

So then its okay: to love Hitler, and hate the Holocaust? to love Osama Bin Laden, and hate 9/11? to love Stalin, and hate the Soviet purges? And of course, here's your logical conclusion following that line of reasoning: Its okay to love Satan, but hate his methods? SoCrates

Okay guys, we're starting into ad hominem arguments. Johniam, can you hear the pain in excathedra's statement? I can. Does she sound like she's trying to be morally superior? Is she using selective reasoning? She's just a person like you or me, that had something traumatic happen to her. It doesn't get any more real than that. I know, your rationalization is God heals. What if it was your sister, your daughter or your wife, would you be taunting her with, God heals. or would you stop a minute and try and comprehend how its affected her life? Tell me all you want about all the good deeds Saint Vic did. Is doesn't stack up to excathedra's pain alone, none the less all the women that have seen the inside of Saint Vic's motorcoach. When you look at all the trauma he's caused, just what is it we should be grateful to him for? SoCrates

Nobody's interested in the good Hitler did. Bet you didn't know he invented the Volkswagen. Hitler also painted roses. Does anybody care? Not really. All the good he did is overshadowed by a little thing called the Holocaust. Same with Saint Vic. Any good he done is overshadowed by his dark side. And most of us spent a good portion of our life wrestling with Saint Vic's legacy. Some of us still fight with Saint Vic's dark side. Am I comparing Saint Vic with Hitler? No, Saint Vic was much, much worst: Hitler only killed the body: Saint Vic killed the soul. SoCrates

Finally the last horse crosses the finish line. Now had you said this at the beginning of the thread, we could have saved a lot of bandwidth. Dude, you took us around the block, showed us a couple of trees, then...BAM! After 315 posts of you chasing your shadow, you get to the point. Are we grateful? Of course. I think most of the people on this board are grateful. To God, not TWI, not Saint Vic. Now that you have your answer, we can put this thread to bed. SoCrates

And of course #4: Everybody's an idiot except Saint Vic. SoCrates

BA, I agree. There are good people out there. People who understand the first principle of power: the more you use, the less you have. How does this work? Who has more power? The boss that has to tower over you and make sure you do everything or the boss who tells you to do something, walks away, and knows it'll get done? By selling themselves out, I mean: intuitively, we know good from bad. Before we do something, our value structure tells us whether we're doing right or wrong. Too many times, I've encountered people who were willing to do wrong in the name of brown-nosing. One place I worked, a guy would get his boss women. Another place I worked, the boss would get extras from the distributor and not claim them. Another place I worked, the boss would come up short on the budget, so he'd come up with a reason to withhold the employees raise and say they'd be re-evaluated in six months. Then there are the people who relish firing employees. I worked one place where the boss was bragging about how she fired one employee "with class." She made her clean the whole office, then informed her she was fired. This doesn't even start into the micromanaging Way people I've encountered, but I think you get the idea. All these people knew they were doing wrong, but they compromised their values to "get ahead," that is, to get more power. SoCrates

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