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Remember what I said about the length of the post being directly proportional to the attempt to con someone? Why should I care about the person that coined the word paradigm? A section meant to distract and confuse.

As if you would. Really?! Is this like when you claimed things were changing in the ministry and when I pressed you for specifics you said they were talking about changing? Now why would they want to negotiate? Moot point as TWI has no desire nor reason to negotiate. Yah, and maybe we should discuss how one day cars will run on unicorn flatulence, because TWI coming to the table won't happen either. I'm sure they be enthused. Yah, right. How about solutions from their end? What do they have to offer?

I got a better idea, how about you stop warring with GSC? Rather than speaking in broad generalities, give us specifics of you claim. You can start by telling us what good Saint Vic did.

So you're contradicting your claim that you want to present a balanced view. Your balanced view seem one sided. Now why would you not want to present a balanced view to The Way? Because the PLAF con won't work if they find out Saint Vic couldn't follow his own rule and that he was less than the MOG he and the ministry present him as. Conserned the truth, yes truth, could prevent people from taking the class. This is another one of your contradictions. A few weeks ago you were pontificating on how everything is determined. So, by your own claim everyone who's going to take the class will take the class regardless.

You forgot accusing them of being self-righteous.

It's called presentism, as the video below explains:

Can you imagine Jesus Christ wanting a pity party because people were mocking and misrepresenting him?

Which begs the question: Since you're so interested in a balanced view, when a twig member, twig leader, or member of the Way staff goes on and on about what a great man Saint Vic was, do you remind them of all his misdeeds?

True, you don't have to be a cult to encourage people to make more money. But with the Way it's bait and switch. When you start into the Way it's God will meet your needs and wait until you see the life God has planned for you. Then, when you've landed on your face a time or two and that abundant life doesn't manifest, suddenly it's: What? You thought they were physical? They actually spiritual.

So, Chickee, tell me what a perfect christian like you is doing hanging out in what you perceive to be a devilsh rumor mill?

And you're not guilty of face melting tactics? Oops. Then there's the problem of you perceiving any dissent as throwing eggs at you. That's not an attempt to silence our free speech? Perhaps you should take your own advice before you offer it to others. Physician heal thyself.

Really?! And what about taking the first step, admitting there was a problem? Until then they obviously need to be reminded by having the problem constantly exposed.

No, as you've said before, they are talking about change, there's a difference. How long do you think they'd let me talk about paying for the class or giving my 10%? Talk is cheap. Let me know when there's some action. I won't hold my breath.

There is no such thing as coming on a forum against your will. Dude, I go on an opposing political parties forum. Do you think they mock and misrepresent me? Do I care? No. Regardless of what you do, somebody will always mock or misrepresent you, so you shrug your shoulders, continue living your life, and show everyone they were wrong. What you don't do is what you're doing, expecting a pity party

Hate to break it to you, but you're the one talking sides. So take your own advice. No, there is only one truth to the kind of man Saint Vic was. You keep saying he did a lot of good. I keep asking you to get specific. And you keep rabbiting. So tell me, what good did Saint Vic do? No you came here to give a lot of broad generalizations that in the grand scheme of things don't amount to squat. Give me some specifics.

Just as GSC is here to give the other side. But obviously, like the video above, that always triggers you. What's up? Afraid of the truth? So what? We're here to give the other side too Just as you act like a true believer in a religion and must purge ever mention of your bromance Saint Vic. Just as you have a right to free speech, so do we. So stay in your lane. So might we call your religion the Whited Sepulchure Side?

Really?! And what do you call someone who believes Christ will come back carrying a PLAF book? Or someone that claims God can lie? Or someone who believe that a drunken rake was given the revelation to replace the bible? No. none of that isn't corrupting the good. As Saint Vic would say you're blaming your opponents of the very thing you're doing. Kettle meet pot. Again you accuse us of the very thing you're doing. Will you?

As you can plainly see, GSC is still considered a devilsh rumor mill when all it's doing is bringing to light the evil within the ministry. If the Way was really interested in change, the would publicly announce the truth and not bury it under false accusations. Despite claims of the truth being known, it will never happen because both Mike and whatever non-salaried member they think they can get to play cat's paw in revealing the truth knows the second they start their crusade the ministry will ostracize them. Yep, deja Vu all over again.

Mike claims The Way leopard is changing its spots. The following quote (in the next post) should tell you all you need to know about these "changes."

I thought you were leaving to do other projects. The truth is more like other posters were challenging your closed mind and you had to hit the eject button.

In other words: More lovebombing plus more whitewashing equals more money, money, money

Perhaps you should take your own advice:

Perhaps you should take your own advice:

You do believe the bible don't you. Seems I recall something about a leopard and spots. Also, how much have you changed in 20 years? Still derailing threads, still running interference for Saint Vic, still trying to get people to pay for a class they already took...