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This is dumping a pile of manure on your statement hoping something beautiful will grow. Did we believe for Saint Vic? Did we believe for PLAF? Yet according to you they come from God. So apparently you're once again contradicting yourself. Also, it seem others are quoting the class to you, somebody who claims to have spent 20years studying it. Perhaps your reception of PLAF is what's shallow.

T What happened to God's willingness equals God's ability?

Jer 32:27: Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh. Is there anything too hard for Me? God is either telling the truth or he's lying. Which is it?

No, but YOU are. What happened to how big is God? Or was that another lie to attract suckers? God has foreknowledge. In this foreknowledge, God sees Saint Vic is a predator. Yet God "hires" him knowing women are going to be drugged and raped. As if God had no options.

So you're saying God wanted all those women drugged and raped.

So then, according to you, the whole how big is God thing is a lie, right? Further, God himself asks in the bible Is anything too hard for me? All you're doing is rationalizing a position that you can't explain.

Okay, let's look at it from a spiritual perspective. On one hand you have an upright man of God, B.G. Leonard. On the other hand you have a lying, abusive, alcoholic rake. Now, God says he's a just and loving God. Would a just and loving God take the bread out of an upright man of God's mouth and give it to a lying, abusive, alcoholic rake? How is that just? How is that loving? Is the spiritual realm so limited that God couldn't give Saint Vic a whole new revelation and instead had to have one of his kids steal from the other? You mean God is so limited he couldn't find another way for the people in Rye to hear Leonard's class?

Mea culpa, double post

Did he also serve the women he assulted? Again, did he also serve the women he drugged and took advantage of? Yah, rearranging sentences. My God don't we know he's only a human being? What "skills"? The skill to steal someone else's work and claim it as his own? Getting in front of a camera wasn't a problem for me. I just blocked the camera out and did what I needed to do. There was no camera shyness. So you keep claiming, but you never go into specifics. Read the account of damage Saint Vic has done on this forum, they go into specifics. So excuse me if I don't believe you. That's not what you said earlier. You said God revealed it to you. No,there Saint Vic goes telling God how to do his job. That's what Saint Vic stated in the class. I thought you studied the class for 20 years. And you don't remember that passage? And sometime people try to bull their way out of their mouth being engaged before their brain's in gear.

None of this proves what you call my hunch is off the mark. All your stating is a bunch of references you want to interpret as clues. God being perfect would give perfect detailed revelation, as Saint Vic states in the class. Among those details would be which is God breathed and which isn't.

I would think if God gave you the "God-breathe" revelation, He would also reveal which was which.

Contradictions anyone?

121. The class is set up to, not teach you how to serve God, but how to serve Saint Vic and The Way.

And who did Saint Vic serve besides little Saint Vic?

You put no stock in anything that disrupts your world view. Next time you're going through the collaterals pay special attention to Paul's journey to Rome. You remind me a lot of him.

I'd also give this post 10 upvotes if I could. +10

So what you're telling me in your usual long colluded way is that there's a possibility that a just God would give someone who's life ambition was to break every commandment in the book more rewards than an obedient person. And don't give me that it's between him and God. Saint Vic apparently flaunted his sins, otherwise how would me know about them? Now what kind of god would expect you to worship him when he was being so unjust?

And once again, why shouldn't we follow Saint Vic's example and do whatever we please (only not as extreme as Saint Vic) collecting grace? And don't give the you won't get as many rewards line. You mean Saint Vic is going to get less rewards than I do?

Dude, without even trying most of us are doing better than Saint Vic. Most of us responding to you have never shown a "dog" film when it was known minors were present. Most of us have never used women the way Saint Vic did.

First off, you're using forbidden wrong. They have their way of probing things and you have yours. Courts only accept evidence and testimony under certain condition, that doesn't mean it's forbidden for people to heresay. You can witness heresay on the streets all the time and even in court under certain circumstances. Second, you run down academia, the people that developed the very methods Saint Vic used to prove his points in PLAF.

I thought you said you were trained as a critical science thinker? Then as a critical science thinker you should know that over the course of centuries science had acquired tried and true methods of arriving at was true and what was false. It's not a matter of them demanding to prove something the way they accept and understand; it's a matter of probing it according to the methods that have proved time and time again that they arrive at the truth.

Been trying to make that point to him for a couple of post. People equate reading with work, they're just looking for a reason not to read and watch Love Boat. So, the see a long post they either skip it or skim it. That's why I scoff when he says he has a read only audience.

And what's the proper level for this instance? Wait until the ministry had bled them of all their money then tell them the truth?

And I don't buy that we have to protect them dreck. It's like saying we need to protect children by hiding the reality of strangers with candy.

And I don't buy that we have to protect them dreck. It's like saying we need to protect children by hiding the reality of strangers with candy.