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Are you denying you can edit a paper with the intent of being deceptive? He11, the whole paper by Research Geek, which you claim is objective and you posted, three times is deceptive. From the moment Research Geek claimed Saint Vic went to Princeton, he was working on deception. Most people would read Princeton and think Princeton University, not Princeton seminary, which is not even associated with the university, as the facts state. So how do you know when he was in fellowship and when he wasn't? How do you know he wasn't out of fellowship the whole time? This from the guy who's always whining about being misrepresented. You're just blowing smoke here. You and I both know what will happen the second you start criticizing the ministry. But hey, talk is cheap and my guess is that's all you'll ever do. Talk. Notice: I will. Future tense. You mean you haven't yet even though you're attending fellowship and taking the new improved class?

I figure if Saint Vic can claim he invented fast food but something happened an to remind him of it the devil turned his last name initial upside down and it became the McDonald's logo, then I guess we can turn the Mayberry initial upside down and make it Wayberry.

She cooked southern food no more than Saint Vic was sheriff. I was trying to extend the metaphor to Mayberry by comparing Mrs. Weirwille to Aunt Bea.

Wayberry, like Mayberry, is a fictional, idealized place that doesn't exist in reality. It's patroled by Saint Vic, sheriff, and his nervous deputy, the Forehead. Mrs. Weirwille, Saint Vic's wife, often invites new guest in Wayberry over for her fried chicken, biscuits, and fried apple pie.

122. Even the.name of the class is bait and switch. How much of the class is focused on how to achieve an abundant life and how much of the class is focused on Way doctrine?

And how many of the guest do you think have been traumatized? If you checked the guest list, you'd see their everywhere and reading every active thread. How many have you turned away from healing? If you're right? What if you're wrong?

So why don't you extend the same courtesy here? Don't you think new people come here that have been traumatized by The Way and Saint Vic and the last thing they need to hear is what a stand up guy (in your mind, anyway) Saint Vic was? So by your own definition, are you disrespecting us?

Still holds. Every abusive relationship the abuser wants another chance and pleads for more time to change.

Did you still read the collaterals? That's like saying I didn't attend any Nazi party meetings but I studied Mein Kofp.

As your claims are based on your personal bias. However, Ive proved it to myself time and time again over the course of 40 years.

Again the words of an abusive spouse to their victim. Sorry, you've had plenty of time, as your constantly reminding us

If you're in fellowship you're in the matrix. If you believe Saint Vic got a "big job" from God, sinner that he was, you're in the matrix.

And we've had it proven time and time again the collaterals are filled with error. We won't budge on that. So you're wasting your time.

All things that can vary from location to location and can't be proven.

There's a theory that states we live in a simulation. However, there's no way to prove it, because we'd have to step out of the simulation to prove it. That's how I see your problem. You're stuck in the matrix and refuse to see it for what it is. We at GSC have left the matrix and know what it is. Your goal is to coax people back into the matrix.

Like what? Specifics, please.

Sure you do. If you did, you wouldn't be there. You know it an I know it. So The Way enabled a predator and you don't think people need to hear it??! Since I know you like to make outrageous claims, like what? Surprise me. But you come here to make trouble right?

If they were going to change the system, they would be changing it. Not talking about it. Like all those people that remonstrated Saint Vic's escapades, there was no wasting time talking, they changed the system almost immediately.

So why don't you try and introduce accuracy, balance, and workable solutions in fellowship? Because we know what would happen, don't we? Then you come here and whine about your freedom of speech. Where's your freedom of speech in fellowship? So where are you in bondage and where are you free?

And maybe donkeys will fly out of our butts. If a system has no incentive to change, it doesn't. Now, other then the BOD not getting their salaries and no more advances in the Caribbean due to less ABS, what incentive does the Way have to change. As long as they're taking in the greenbacks they don't care.

But, because all the previous statements will never happen, we know this will never happen.

For someone who claims to have operated an atom smasher (these days they're called particle colliders) and having been a stand up comedian, you certainly are naive about life. Take it from someone who fought the system to become a student a major university. Systems don't change, they just make exceptions. Barring the possibility of an exception, the get rid of the problem. The problem, as in the person complaining. Refresh my memory, what happened to all those people writing papers about Saint Vic's escapades? Was anybody within the ministry inspired by those people examples? Or did they learn that the only way you stay in the ministry was by keeping your head down and your mouth shut? Do I think your going to file these ECNs? No, I think for you it's just talk. If you had freedom of speech in the ministry, you'd be applying your balanced view bull at twig also. But we both know what'll happen the second you start spouting off about Saint Vic's escapades, don't we?

Mike seems to think we've forgotten that five years ago, this paper was torn apart line by line and word by word and exposed for how unobjective it really is. For those interested here's a blast from the past, presenting that critique. The fun starts here: Continue reading the thread to get the scoop on all the errors in the paper.

This is the same as saying nothing. And what positive effect is that? Who are these others you're speaking of? I know 18,000 people PLAF had a negative effect on. You're always talking about the good in abstract. Go over some of the stories here and notice they not only mention the negative effects, they go into specifics.

Saint Vic stole the work of his peers and claimed it as his own, something no intellectually honest academic would do. Let's thank God you're not the standard. But then, not being a woman, you wouldn't know what it was like to be drugged and taken advantage of.