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That's because you make it so easy. Stevie Wonder could see the glaring errors in the half baked theories you post.

Maybe if you weren't so intellectually dishonest you'd see where you're off base. Changing definitions of words and filtering facts on the subject by tagging them "anti-cherry" smacks of intellectual dishonesty. As you geared to reject our criticisms before they were posted? Witness how you refused to change "budget" and "two doors" even though they were proven confusing. I find it hilarious that you whine about how Martindale and the Corps Nazis ruined the ministry, then you turn around and act just like them. How unbiased are you?

The whole thing smacks of Martindale explaining how mans downfall in Eden was due to homosexuality? "Can you see it? No? Too bad. I do. Ha ha hahahahaha!"

Stephen Colbert calls it "truthie": Something you wish were true, but isn't.

You should know, that's what you displayed through this whole thread: a blind bias that's puffed you up. Say isn't there a verse or two about how the love of God isn't puffed up? Seeing as God loves a haughty spirit, it should be me wishing you best at the bema.

Another reason to stay away from the Way and PLAF Today.

So you find this funny? You're laughing at me? That's only fair, because I'm laughing at you. You see, I know something you and your read only audience don't know. One day, when you finally get honest with yourself, if not then at the bema, you'll be me. I pray you and your read only audience get what they deserve. Lord knows, I pray I get what I deserve.

If Saint Vic was teaching about how limited God is, he's probably setting up an excuse for the dismal failure of his "law of believing." It's no secret that many people approached Martindale concerned about where the promised prosperity was. Martindale's response: "You want prosperity? God on welfare." If Martindale was getting doubtful questions, you know Saint Vic was getting them too. His excuse: Well, you see, God is limited.

So, considering you're letting a man who couldn't follow the simplest of God's rules (like keeping his pants zipped) interpret scripture to you, just how do you or Saint Vic know what God's rules are?

You obviously never served in the military. Any good soldier knows there are no rules to war. Even if there were rules, do you honestly think the devil would follow them? Games have rules. That takes you into Martindale territory. He tried to sell the idea that this was a game and not a war. As for believing, dumping tons of manure and hoping something beautiful will grow just isn't working for you. First off, how much persistence did we need to get born again? To speak in tongues? So that's Saint Vic trying to cover up for his impotence in the spiritual world. Second, is it possible for someone to be born again without knowing scripture? Give you an example: I went to the doctor because I was horribly tired all the time. The doctor took a blood test and sent the results to my house. I showed them to my mother, an LPN, and she thought they were bad news. All my blood cells were screwed up enough for me to need a blood transfusion. I sent an email to my ex, explaining what my mother thought it was. A few days later, my ex calls me and spends 20 minutes telling me how to get born again. Not once did she quote scripture. (I was found to have a rare form of lymphoma.) So, you don't need persistence, not scripture to get born again, (all that's required is confessing with your mouth and believing in your heart), so why would you need it for any other type of believing? A these little bits and bobs are just Saint Vic's way of blaming you for his lying about keeping his promise.

Show me a verse without mental gymnastics or torturing the language that mentions two doors

Really?! Then I can take one verse or part of a verse and say its truth, right? "There is no God." And all those verses you have claiming there is one are "anti-cherry."

A bull excuse to get around something you can't explain.

Which you are doing. Just look at the Cain situation. So subtle its no point at all. One would think if your hunchy thesis were a principle, God would have pointed it out in evry instance, not just some. And you wouldn't have to do mental gymnastics to find it.

Where you're being intellectually dishonest, sir, is by wanting to look at only one side of the issue and nit accepting evidence to the contrary. As I recall, you bragged about being a trained scientist. If that's true, then you know as a scientist you look at all the all facts then reach a conclusion. YOU DON'T only look at facts that support your theory, say you are right, then call it a day. EUREKA!! Cain is still beckoning.

And you don't see this as intellectually dishonest? "Please only show me the things that support my theory. I don't want to pay attention to the things that prove it wrong." Dude, do you think I came down with yesterday's rain? If you haven't started a list of contrary verses, you never will. Your help me with this and I'll do that is nothing more than a poor attempt at future faking and manipulation. If you look at my forehead you'll see where they erased "stupid". And a few post back you got all huffy and claimed you weren't cherry picking.

You really should go back and read your response: the first excuse was there would be some overlap. Oddly enough, no overlap came. No mention of format, no mention of trouble reading it. In other words you're full of bull. Congratulations, you played yourself. So, it's your contention that God kept the door open the whole time between resurrection and Pentecost and the devil just sat there twiddling his thumbs, right? Spirit does not get stunned. You can't stun the devil anymore than you can stun any other angel. Cain murdered Able, what did God do to open the door?

In other words, you're saying, I can't answer that so I'll bull my way out of it. What about when the apostles first spoke in tongues? What did the devil do in return? Or does that hurt your eyes, too?

First mistake, yes you did. Look at the examples you presented and then look at your "two doors" claim. Oh, by the way, revelation is three manifestations (word of wisdom, word of knowledge, discerning of spirits). So that's five manifestations you claim opens "doors". Do we open "doors when we SIT? And just as I originally asked do manifestations trigger this opening? As, most examples you present involve some type of manifestation. I think you are, as you've also mention revelation as triggering the door opening. A human has to be involved in the work from the jump. Or have you forgot that our believing starts the ball rolling. So why isn't the opportunity always there? If there's nothing stopping devil spirits why should they hold off? I asked you a group of questions earlier that you poo pooed. Add to that list, when the apostles spoke in tongues for the first time, God opened the door and the devil responded, how? Now your getting ridiculous. First off, you can't prove a negative. Second, burden of proof lies with you. It not my job to convince you you're wrong, it's your job to convince me you're right. You mean like all those verses you produced showing the words "double doors"?

Hey! Have you given these questions any thought Both miracles and healing, according to Mike, open both "doors." Seeing as miracles and healing are manifestations, do the other manifestations open both "doors"? Also, with discerning of spirits, does that mean a devil's spirit went through the "door" and was caught in the natural realm? If so, once exorcized, how would they get back to the spiritual realm as the door would be closed? Or are you just accepting cherry picked verses that support your theory?

Honest honest or Way honest?

I'm curious. Both miracles and healing, according to Mike, open both "doors." Seeing as miracles and healing are manifestations, do the other manifestations open both "doors"? Also, with discerning of spirits, does that mean a devil's spirit went through the "door" and was caught in the natural realm? If so, once exorcized, how would they get back to the spiritual realm as the door would be closed? @Mike

Interesting coincidence. You just happen to post about not making stuff up after you posted something that was obviously made up. People do not forget they are going to die one day, so, by extension they are aware others are going to die, too. Also, why mention you twig coordinator experience? Your post would be fine without it. But then it wouldn't have the air of authority you thought your made up stuff needed.

I think it's more like you tried to pass off a whopper and got called out on it.

Yah, sure, how persistent do you think OS was with his son? You think that was a one shot deal? How persist do you think I was in finding out where I went wrong? And now, at 67, after years of believing the stuff PLAF taught me and praying how many times,cnow that my youth is gone, God suddenly decides to tell me what I needed to know in my 20s, right? If nothing else proves what bull this is, that does.