JeffSjo

Good one T-Bone. game, set, match.

I think that you are speaking with a forked tongue Bumpy. I wonder if you know what you are doing, but I'm leaning towards thinking that you do. Maybe if you posted something about who you are and why you are the way that you are I would be more settled in terms of understanding where you are coming from. I mean another thread Bumpy, maybe something from you in the "My Story" section. Or if you have nothing to contribute to this thread, I think it should get back on track Bumpy. I will ignore your next post to give it a chance of continuing on in a good direction. (edited for clarity)

O.K. Bumpy. So then you are choosing provocation then..... I think it's not worth much of anything good. But it seems to be the kind of post that is most common for you, is it not?

Once a young man that I was fond of like a little brother joked with me about how much work he did the night before in the cabinet shop. I said, "I'll believe it when I see it." His response was, "I can't believe that you are taking Thomas's road." (referring of course to the disciple/ future apostle commonly called doubting Thomas) I answered, "For me to be on Thomas's road, you have to be on Jesus Christ's road, and you are not telling the truth kiddo." You see, he was wrongly accusing me of being a little off, and his statement was false because Thomas was doubting truth, not a lie. I was doubting a lie, and not the truth. Talking truth is never cheap Bumpy. I've shared honestly with you that I have grave doubts as to just exactly where you are coming from however. Where am I talking falsely Bumpy? Accusations and provocations can be cheap too.

Thank you very much for posting this DWBH, I think that I've seen it before, and it is nice to know that folks like you that have seen these things up close and personally are sharing. THANK YOU, THANK YOU For me, other biblical statements put it into a different perspective than I used to consider TWI. For the, the most direct quote concerning similar yet far less criminal behavior is, "A little leaven leavens the whole lump." P.S. I hope that someday I'll understand how to have fun with this the same way that you do. sigh..... I can be emotional at times, and I think it can be counter productive at times. But it's not always counter productive either.

Well Bumpy, At least your put down is not the same old crap that has decieved many, many people for decades. Or is it? HHHMMM...

OH, AND WHO DO YOU THINK MIGHT DO THAT YOUNG LADY? :D

Dear Brushstroke, I believe that you are very thoughtful and intelligent for such a young man. I hope you are taking good notes at this site however and praying much, because even with everything that you seem capable, of it is plain to me that you might not win this fight. I'm not saying this to discourage you, but to warn you that I don't think that many of us even here would be capable of changing anything for your dear Steph, and you should be prepared for this too, if it comes to that. For what it's worth, I will pray that you succeed however. PEACE, JEFF (edited for clarity) Thank you very much EVERYBODY else!!!

Yeah I know what you mean rascal. I consider you to be one of my good examples in the category of living well in spite of all this. Thank you dear friend, JEFF

Hi Java Jane, I'm working from memory right now but I'll do my best. I think that the purpose of this chapter as written by Dr. Wierwille might just have been to admit to his crimes and say that he was unrepentant, and it was done in that TWI doublespeak that Dr. Wierwille's disciples learned. It has allowed them to say many hurtful and nasty things in such a "sideways manner" that nobody could actually accuse them of saying what everybody knows was meant. I've grown to hate this manner of speaking over the last several years as I was in a situation where some people that ran a little splinter group made up their minds to ruin my life, but in such a manner that they could actually falsely claim to be treating me the best that they could under the circumstances. I believe that Dr. Wierwille was nearly unbeatable in this manner of speaking. Well, back to the point Java Jane. In this chapter Dr. Wierwille is teaching an apparently heartfelt and touching bible lesson when out of nowhere he said that HE THINKS that if Bathsheba had come into David's bedroom and pleaded for her life and Solomon's by reminding David that he raped her he would have said, "Woman, get out of here." And in the same section he said that Abishag the Shunamite was in David's bed to warm him (or some such thing) and even though it's plainly stated that David knew her not, Dr stated that as David's wife, Bathsheba had every right to come in there and say to Abishag, "Get out of here you sex fiend." These two statements by Dr. Wierwille in this teaching do not fit with the rest of the teaching, and I believe that he probably intended them as warnings to his wife. As I've said, this was a manner of speaking that Dr. excelled in and I believe that his disciples were trained and conditioned to hear the word of God (so-called) in these subtle little jabs. I've heard this kind of thing a lot, and I consider it his own words pointing to his guilt. (added in editing) Scumbag motherf'er!

Somewhere on this site recently I was reminded of an old sentiment that was common in TWI. I don't remember who shared it for sure, maybe it wasn't even the same sentiment exactly, but something that reminded me of it. The sentiment goes something like, " These carrion eaters are picking on poor Dr. Wierwille and he's dead now, shame on them." Personally, this is the thinking about picking on Dr. Wierwille that I, myself had just a matter of months ago, I made it very clear that I would gladly stomp anyone who had anything bad to say about Dr. Wierwille, especially among those of us who learned the bible at TWI. But since coming to the Greasespot I've heard a different side of the story, one that includes rape, sexual manipulation and abuse, intimidation by Dr. Wierwille and his top leadership, a very deliberate cover-up of these things that apparently was spearheaded by LCM and Chris Geer, suicide, broken men and women among many of your friends, pimping out wonderful young women who deserved so, so much better, legal documentation where Dr. Wierwille admitted to "sexual ministering" to a young woman, etc. etc. etc. My premise is simply this, truth and conscience demands that TWI leadership abuse needs to be yelled from the rooftops. I believe that the whole "carcass eating thing" is an emotional manipulation that was devised by TWI leadership to cover their arsses. I believe that I need to say it like it was for the benefit of many, (doubtlessly) many victims to care for their heart as best as possible. I think that if Dr. Wierwille himself hadn't shared in his book, "Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus" in the teaching entitled,"The Final Chapter" that was edited by Chris Geer postuminously that he felt that David would have told Bathshebah to "get out of here" if she had mentioned the rape to him I might resist this new course. But as it is, I'm p.o.d by the scumbag who did these things and let his leadership partake in the abuse. I can still sympathise with any of you who feel like I did not very long ago. Is their any other input on this TWI standard of likening people who pick on Dr. Wierwille to carrion eaters?

You've got friends dear Excathedra. I'll gladly "be your frankenstein" to quote the popular song. Or any of many friends I think would be oh-so-happy to back you up I'm sure! (edited for grammar)

Dear WG, Yeah, I think I get it. But as they "said" that only Chris Geer could control the dog, then he was responsible for its well-being. And he was responsible for the dog that apparently intimidated many. What a twisted Christian (so-called) ministry TWI became. SIGH....

YOU KNOW YOU'RE A REDNECK IF YOUR FAMILY TREE LOOKS LIKE A STRAIT LINE. Sicker, snort, snicker.....

Just for Steveo. YOU KNOW YOU'RE A REDNECK IF YOUR FAMILY TREE LOOKS LIKE A STRAIT LINE.

Dearest Excathedra, I hope that this is a special day for you. I hope that many blessing are yours today, and always. I hope that you are surrounded by friends and loved ones. You are loved no matter what however.

Just a little more about the dogs in terms of my observations if you all don't mind. Personally, I wish that I could treat the guard dogs as an innocent means of protection, but I've heard enough to have grave doubts. Firstly, I remember that DWBH shared that when he/she (sorry that I don't know for sure DWBH.) tried to point out that sexual misconduct was going on in the Corps to Dr. Wierwille a guard dog was used to intimidate DWBH. Another thing is that WG has shared that she was intimidated by the dog she's reffering to. If Chris Geer had control of the dog, then the intimidating demeanor was a deliberate ploy by Chris Geer to warn off trouble. Not to mention that I think it was screwy the way that Dr. compared training people to training dogs. I do not believe for one minute that with these two having shared that we can write the dogs off as "normal self protection."

Hi Brushstroke, In one respect I have to add that there is more to this IMO. It's clear that Dr. taught that water baptism was uneccessary and out of date. Whether or not this is true is a big study. But the thing that I remember clearly in TWI was that water baptism was LOOKED DOWN ON by many. It became a kind of religious snobbery. To me the thing that beats the snobbery in regards to water baptism is pointing out that water baptism was GOD'S idea, not man's. And that it is very, very highminded to say that the disciples of Jesus Christ who first recieved the spirit were in any way uninformed. Many of us were in this respect highminded buffoons IMO. I thank God for his mercy.

Welcome back Johnny, I'm certainly looking forward to getting to understand you a little better.

The way that I have seen this kind of thing play out was that the majority of the people who were standing with TWI at the time heard these kinds of things and naturally felt as if they were in need of major reworking of their lives in order to be one of the few, the standing. As this kind of statement played out it became a control game played by leadership IMO. Prophecy is supposed to be truly profitable. This statement by Dr. and many games played by leadership were DESIGNED to get people feeling unworthy and in need of fixing. BLECH!

I resemble that remark!?

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